Are we losing the war?

[bugsbunny04]

I happen to think so. Ask yourself the question "What the f*ck could these bastards possibly want?" I'll tell you what they want, they want to destroy freedom. Yes, (Im)POTUS got one thing right, if only one thing, they have declared a war on freedom. Guess what, they are winning.

Okay, lets look at some victories and defetes:

Afganistan, we successfully knocked out the Taliban, which was our second of two primary objectives, however, our other primary objective, find OBL, seems to have failed.

At home, terrorists terrorize. 9/11 terrified a lot of people. badguys leading 2-1

At home, what do terrorists want? They want to destroy our freedoms. The day the patriot act was signed, they one a huge victory. Because they eroded away so many different aspects of our freedom, I acknowledge two points to them, which is really conservative, and since we surrendered, and I hate cowards, I am penalizing us a point for being a bunch of pussies.

badguys leading 4-0

Iraq, all the NBC shit was moved to Syria. If we go to Syria it will be somewhere else, moved again. They get a point, and we are penalized a point for being dumbf*cks. We did oust one of their really good buddies from power, and also get ourselves a strategic foothold, however fragile, two points for us.

Its 5-1, with the margin being the same as before Iraq, which makes it a waste of time.

Go to a gas station and look up. Yeah, they get another point, just from the expression on your pathetic face, as you go pale in horror over the price of dead dino soup. It is now 6-1

Dont let anybody tell you some lie about how good the economy is. You are a participant in the economy, see for yourself, it sucks, and a lot of it is because of fear on wall street. The get another point.

Do you actually accept being treated like a criminal just because you want to fly on an airplane? Exactly, they get another oint.

It is now 8-1, and I'm probably missing some of their victories. In football that is like 56-7. I remeber my senior year, we lost our first game 45-14, and only scored the third string. If they had left the starters in, we probably could have worn them down enough to score, but they would have scored some more, and the final score would have been similar, Wanna know what Head Coach Joe Nettles told his players "Guys, thats an ass kickin, plain and simple, there aint no excuse for that shit." Somebody needs to tell the American people that.

Any comments?

[Compugasm]

Don't worry, it's not over. It doesn't matter how many victories you list on your tally sheet. Their merit will be meaningless to those who belive America is evil.

[Mr.Vicchio]

I happen to listen to my brother in law over there, the rports from friends over there... you'd think they were fighting on a different world compared to what the doom and gloom media says.

[Pooeypants]

You can never win a fight against an invisible enemy. Unless you nuke 'em all ofc.

Having said that, propaganda plays a huge role so we'll just have to wait and see.

[castille]

The problem is that the US is confined by the rules of warfare. Terrorists are not.

Thats a sacrifice the Americans make. The terrorists dont have any of those restrictions (they can kill any American without fear of being voted out).

[Mr.Vicchio]

Originally posted by castille, The problem is that the US is confined by the rules of warfare. Terrorists are not. Thats a sacrifice the Americans make. The terrorists dont have any of those restrictions (they can kill any American without fear of being voted out).

That is one of the biggest problems the USA faces.

We drop a bomb on terrorist(or the Iraqi army during the war) in a building, we KNOW they are in there but the pilot of course doesn't see that kid walking with his mother by the place..

What happens? There are protesters out screaming about American War Crimes.


Or the Terrorist force a family to drive through a roadblock (remember that one?) and we blast the car. Again, its Americas fault, war crimes...

Its a lose lose situation on the PR front. And the terrorist know it, and those screaming Americans are war criminals could care less about the lives of the American Soldiers being saved in the process...

[tusaki]

Add to that, it's circular. You are explaining things with an emphasis on the media at home. What do you think Islamist Jihadist are going to do with this? Make posters of mothers crying over the dead bodies of their children: "join the jihad! Achmed wants you!". Which will create more terrorists.. etc. etc.

[dotcoma]

rules of warfare

oxymoron.

[Sonart]

Its a lose lose situation on the PR front. And the terrorist know it, and those screaming Americans are war criminals could care less about the lives of the American Soldiers being saved in the process...

Then perhaps one might want to examine the wisdom of invading a country before going in, knowing that one must occupy it for possibly years to come and also knowing you'll be fighting a guerilla war against fanatics who have no problem whatsoever killing civilians, especially if they can get us to do it.... on television yet!

rules of warfare oxymoron

See, there's the problem. When one holds oneself up to the world as the all holy defenders of liberty and freedom and motherhood and the rule of law, then one has to actually walk the walk or one becomes simply another tinpot thug.

[dotcoma]

The rules of war only existed for the benefit of the elite anyway. The people doing the real fighting were of no concern to the state: Collateral damage for their imperialistic New World Order. Sucks for them. But I would never say America is the "messianic nation to be", as MLK put it. When the CIA were poisoning Cuban baby formula in the 60s, was that terrorism? Were they following the "rules of warfare"? When Mrs. Thatcher armed and enabled loyalist paramilitaries to murder innocent Catholics in the streets of Belfast in the 80s, was she following the "rules of war"?

[bishop]

The problem is that the US is confined by the rules of warfare. Terrorists are not.

we've found numerous ways to circumvent the geneva convention... first we detain people at gitmo. fine, but then we refuse to give these people legal counsel and even prohibit third party monitors from going over there. later on, we find stories about people who were perfectly healthy dying because of injuries sustained at gitmo. groovy. then there are the stories of us sending people to egypt and pakistan for "interrogation". then abu ghraib... and then we have stories from varying sides, including our own allies, speaking of how our tactics (specifically in guerilla combat) have little regard for civilian casualties.. (not a surprise since our guys received training from the israelis)

[Mr.Vicchio]

See Bishop, your post is fuoll of unsubstantiated bullshit.




speaking of how our tactics (specifically in guerilla combat) have little regard for civilian casualties.. (not a surprise since our guys received training from the israelis)

Whatever dude.

[Comrade]

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000099.html

It doesn't matter how many points you have. We will only lose when we become so cynical that we give up.

[PatrickHenry]

One thing your post above noted was the courage and determination of Houston and Washington. I remind you they were fighting foreign invaders on their home turf. Not a good metaphor for what he is trying(without effect) to have me a reader buy into. American determination in Iraq. In the current situation the US is Santa Anna, or the Redcoats/Hessians. Get real.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by roxdog, oxymoron.

Not entirely, I subscribe to one rule of warfare: Kill the enemy by whatever means neccessary.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Actually PH, Houston was technically fighting against the legal rulers of the land... Sam Houston, Rocked.

[bishop]

See Bishop, your post is fuoll of unsubstantiated bullshit. speaking of how our tactics (specifically in guerilla combat) have little regard for civilian casualties.. (not a surprise since our guys received training from the israelis) Whatever dude.

funny... you should pay a little more attention to current events. you wouldn't want to look like a fool, would you?


http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002-11...rael-usat_x.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3702655
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3625315.stm


what have our allies had to say about our tactics?

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/04/12/...s&oneclick=true
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../11/wtact11.xml


unsubstantiated bullshit eh?

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio, See Bishop, your post is fuoll of unsubstantiated bullshit. speaking of how our tactics (specifically in guerilla combat) have little regard for civilian casualties.. (not a surprise since our guys received training from the israelis) Whatever dude.

What are you saying here, V. Just shaking your head? Try making a point.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by bugsbunny04,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bugsbunny04,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-roxdog, oxymoron.

Not entirely, I subscribe to one rule of warfare: Kill the enemy by whatever means neccessary.[/b][/quote]
That's YOUR rule. Not the "rules" we are currently discussing.

[bugsbunny04]

Originally posted by roxdog,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (roxdog,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by bugsbunny04,@ <!--QuoteBegin-roxdog, oxymoron. Not entirely, I subscribe to one rule of warfare: Kill the enemy by whatever means neccessary.

That's YOUR rule. Not the "rules" we are currently discussing.[/b][/quote]

I'm sarcastically agreeing with you ya silly bastard. You should note that my statement is intentionally paradoxical.