Illuminati

[G-rant 17]

Does anyone here believe that the Illuminati is controlling the entire world? And is running the United States government?

they could be behind a lot of conspiracies.

they could be behind the JFK assassination.. possibly..?

What do u guys think..?

[G-rant 17]

No? or maybe im just insane.

[Nono]

Or been reading Dan Brown again -- always a mistake.

[Crimsonking]

Dan Brown is a great fiction author.

anywho, I don't believe in the Illuminati, but I do believe there is some sort of group that has a lot of control of the government. Many of the presidents have been Masons, as have many past presidents, and current congressmen and senators.

Furthermore, small selective groups, i.e. Skull and Bones, in Yale, was Masonic inspired, and in Yale, and many politicians are born there.

Look at the Kennedys and the Bushs for example, they have a huge amount of people in politics, so in effect there is a group controlling the country




Or I'm insane,

[Nono]

There's an elite running things in the US -- no kidding. And in a lot of other countries. They know each other from attending the same exclusive schools, belonging to the same snooty clubs.

But from there to a full-fledged, conspiratorial, cloak'n'dagger, oath-taking, initiation-undergoing, hood-down-by-moonlight Illuminati-type organization is quite a leap.

(By the way, I think Brown is a piss-poor author just in terms of novel-writing. Quite apart from his preposterous stories.)

[Jack]

Robert Anton Wilson wrote a couple of books about the Illuminati.
From Cosmic Trigger:

Briefly, the background of the Bavarian Illuminati puzzle is this. On May 1, 1776, in Bavaria, Dr. Adam Weishaupt, a professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University and a former Jesuit, formed a secret society called the Order of the Illuminati within the existing Masonic lodges of Germany. Since Masonry is itself a secret society, the Illuminati was a secret society within a secret society, a mystery inside a mystery, so to say. In 1785 the Illuminati were suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all the kings in Europe and the Pope to boot. This much is generally agreed upon by all historians. 1 Everything else is a matter of heated, and sometimes fetid, controversy. It has been claimed that Dr. Weishaupt was an atheist, a Cabalistic magician, a rationalist, a mystic; a democrat, a socialist, an anarchist, a fascist; a Machiavellian amoralist, an alchemist, a totalitarian and an "enthusiastic philanthropist." (The last was the verdict of Thomas Jefferson, by the way.) The Illuminati have also been credited with managing the French and American revolutions behind the scenes, taking over the world, being the brains behind Communism, continuing underground up to the 1970s, secretly worshipping the Devil, and mopery with intent to gawk. Some claim that Weishaupt didn't even invent the Illuminati, but only revived it. The Order of Illuminati has been traced back to the Knights Templar, to the Greek and Gnostic initiatory cults, to Egypt, even to Atlantis. The one safe generalization one can make is that Weishaupt's intent to maintain secrecy has worked; no two students of Illuminology have ever agreed totally about what the "inner secret" or purpose of the Order actually was (or is . . .). There is endless room for spooky speculation, and for pedantic paranoia, once one really gets into the literature of the subject; and there has been a wave of sensational "ex-poses" of the Illuminati every generation since 1776. If you were to believe all this sensational literature, the damned Bavarian conspirators were responsible for everything wrong with the world, including the energy crises and the fact that you can't even get a plumber on weekends. (pp. 3-4)

And a site that will make you dizzy with Illuminati speculation, Illuminati Conspiracy Part One: A Precise Exegesis on the Available Evidence.

[Battig1370]

I have just finished watching the Money Masters video, and I must say, that I have never in my life seen such a complete and all encompassing documentary that reveals in shocking detail the most dangerous enemy to mankind, and documents the steps they took to accomplish this.



[ "According to William Guy Carr, in Pawns In The Game,42 the initial meeting of these ex officio planners took place in Mayer Amschel Bauer's Goldsmith Shop in Frankfurt in 1773. Bauer, who adopted the name of "Rothschild" or Red Shield, from the red shield which he hung over his door to advertise his business (the red shield today is the official coat of arms of the City of Frankfurt), (See Cover) "was only thirty years of age when he invited twelve other wealthy and influential men to meet him in Frankfurt. His purpose was to convince them that if they agreed to pool their resources they could then finance and control the World Revolutionary Movement and use it as their Manual of Action to win ultimate control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire world. This agreement reached, Mayer unfolded his revolutionary plan. The project would be backed by all the power that could be purchased with their pooled resources. By clever manipulation of their combined wealth it would be possible to create such adverse economic conditions that the masses would be reduced to a state bordering on starvation by unemployment... Their paid propagandists would arouse feelings of hatred and revenge against the ruling classes by exposing all real and alleged cases of extravagance, licentious conduct, injustice, oppression, and persecution. They would also invent infamies to bring into disrepute others who might, if left alone, interfere with their overall plans... Rothschild turned to a manuscript and proceeded to read a carefully prepared plan of action.


1. He argued that LAW was FORCE only in disguise. He reasoned it was logical to conclude 'By the laws of nature right lies in force.'


2. Political freedom is an idea, not a fact. In order to usurp political power all that was necessary was to preach 'Liberalism' so that the electorate, for the sake of an idea, would yield some of their power and prerogatives which the plotters could then gather into their own hands.


3. The speaker asserted that the Power of Gold had usurped the power of Liberal rulers.... He pointed out that it was immaterial to the success of his plan whether the established governments were destroyed by external or internal foes because the victor had to of necessity ask the aid of 'Capital' which 'Is entirely in our hands'.


4. He argued that the use of any and all means to reach their final goal was justified on the grounds that the ruler who governed by the moral code was not a skilled politician because he left himself vulnerable and in an unstable position.


5. He asserted that 'Our right lies in force. The word RIGHT is an abstract thought and proves nothing. I find a new RIGHT... to attack by the Right of the Strong, to reconstruct all existing institutions, and to become the sovereign Lord of all those who left to us the Rights to their powers by laying them down to us in their liberalism.


6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. He went on to outline twenty-five points.


Number 8 dealt with the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption, and all vice to systematically corrupt youth of all nations.


9. They had the right to seize property by any means, and without hesitation, if by doing so they secured submission and sovereignty.


10. We were the first to put the slogans Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity into the mouths of the masses, which set up a new aristocracy. The qualification for this aristocracy is WEALTH which is dependent on us.


11. Wars should be directed so that the nations engaged on both sides should be further in our debt.


12. Candidates for public office should be servile and obedient to our commands, so that they may readily be used.


13. Propaganda--their combined wealth would control all outlets of public information.


14. Panics and financial depressions would ultimately result in World Government, a new order of one world government." ]

[Battig1370]

The Bible says that "the love of money is the root of all evil."

It is 'the love of money' that gives power and control to those that have the legal right to issue credit to nations, and etc.

The world wide private lending institutions are not enemies of each other, but they issue credit to the enemy and friend alike.

For example the same bank will issue credit to a local manufacture of arms and will also issue credit to the enemy to buy those arms.

[Battig1370]

In the introduction to Pawns in the Game, Carr wrote:

"The First World War was to be fought so as to enable the Illuminati to overthrow the powers of the Tsars in Russia and turn that country into the stronghold of Atheistic-Communism. The differences stirred up by the agentur of the Illuminati between the British and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war ended, Communism was to be built up and used to destroy other governments and weaken religions.

"World War Two, was to be fomented by using the differences between Fascists and Political Zionists. This war was to be fought so that Naziism would be destroyed and the power of Political Zionism increased so that the sovereign state of Israel could be established in Palestine. During world war two International Communism was to be built up until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. At this point it was to be contained and kept in check until required for the final social cataclysm. Can any informed person deny Roosevelt and Churchill did put this policy into effect?"

"World War Three is to be fomented by using the differences the agentur of the Illuminati stir up between the Political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. The war is to be directed in such a manner that Islam (the Arab World including Mohammedanism) and Political Zionism (including the State of Israel) will destroy themselves while at the same time the remaining nations, once more divided against each other on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion physically, mentally, spiritually and economically. Can any unbiased and reasoning person deny that the intrigue now going on in the Near, Middle, and Far East is designed to accomplish this devilish purpose?

"On August 15, 1871, Pike told [Italian revolutionary leader Giuseppe] Mazzini that after World War Three is ended, those who aspire to undisputed world domination will provoke the greatest social cataclysm the world has ever known. We quote his written words (taken from the letter catalogued in the British Museum Library, London, Eng.):

"‘We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.’" (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, Emissary Publications, Clackamas, OR, pp. xv-xvi)

[Nono]

Quote by: Robert Anton Wilson (...) an atheist, a Cabalistic magician, a rationalist, a mystic; a democrat, a socialist, an anarchist, a fascist; a Machiavellian amoralist, an alchemist, a totalitarian and an "enthusiastic philanthropist." (...)

In short, an all-around guy.

(...) mopery with intent to gawk (...)

[Nono]

Quote by: Carr (...) the electorate (...)

In Frankfurt in 1773? Hmmmmm...

[Jack]

"‘We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.’" (William Guy Carr, Pawns in the Game, Emissary Publications, Clackamas, OR, pp. xv-xvi)

I see two major problems with Carr's reasoning.

Atheists do not believe in any of the trappings of theism, including satan, who is simply the antithesis of god. In fact satanists wouldn't qualify as atheists because they do believe at least a part of the Christian myth.

It would be impossible for Christianity and atheism, indeed any religion and atheism, to both be "exterminated". Atheism is the disbelief in gods. Without theism, all that's left is atheism. What third state of belief is there between belief and disbelief?

[LtMisha]

Alls I know is that something's going on. Be mindful of fascist mind controll

[Nono]

Quote by: Misha Be mindful of fascist mind controll

As practised with such mastery by Comrade Stalin.

[thx1138]

Quote by: Battig1370 I have just finished watching the Money Masters video, and I must say, that I have never in my life seen such a complete and all encompassing documentary that reveals in shocking detail the most dangerous enemy to mankind, and documents the steps they took to accomplish this. [ "According to William Guy Carr, in Pawns In The Game,42 the initial meeting of these ex officio planners took place in Mayer Amschel Bauer's Goldsmith Shop in Frankfurt in 1773. Bauer, who adopted the name of "Rothschild" or Red Shield, from the red shield which he hung over his door to advertise his business (the red shield today is the official coat of arms of the City of Frankfurt), (See Cover) "was only thirty years of age when he invited twelve other wealthy and influential men to meet him in Frankfurt. His purpose was to convince them that if they agreed to pool their resources they could then finance and control the World Revolutionary Movement and use it as their Manual of Action to win ultimate control of the wealth, natural resources, and manpower of the entire world. This agreement reached, Mayer unfolded his revolutionary plan. The project would be backed by all the power that could be purchased with their pooled resources. By clever manipulation of their combined wealth it would be possible to create such adverse economic conditions that the masses would be reduced to a state bordering on starvation by unemployment... Their paid propagandists would arouse feelings of hatred and revenge against the ruling classes by exposing all real and alleged cases of extravagance, licentious conduct, injustice, oppression, and persecution. They would also invent infamies to bring into disrepute others who might, if left alone, interfere with their overall plans... Rothschild turned to a manuscript and proceeded to read a carefully prepared plan of action. 1. He argued that LAW was FORCE only in disguise. He reasoned it was logical to conclude 'By the laws of nature right lies in force.' 2. Political freedom is an idea, not a fact. In order to usurp political power all that was necessary was to preach 'Liberalism' so that the electorate, for the sake of an idea, would yield some of their power and prerogatives which the plotters could then gather into their own hands. 3. The speaker asserted that the Power of Gold had usurped the power of Liberal rulers.... He pointed out that it was immaterial to the success of his plan whether the established governments were destroyed by external or internal foes because the victor had to of necessity ask the aid of 'Capital' which 'Is entirely in our hands'. 4. He argued that the use of any and all means to reach their final goal was justified on the grounds that the ruler who governed by the moral code was not a skilled politician because he left himself vulnerable and in an unstable position. 5. He asserted that 'Our right lies in force. The word RIGHT is an abstract thought and proves nothing. I find a new RIGHT... to attack by the Right of the Strong, to reconstruct all existing institutions, and to become the sovereign Lord of all those who left to us the Rights to their powers by laying them down to us in their liberalism. 6. The power of our resources must remain invisible until the very moment when it has gained such strength that no cunning or force can undermine it. He went on to outline twenty-five points. Number 8 dealt with the use of alcoholic liquors, drugs, moral corruption, and all vice to systematically corrupt youth of all nations. 9. They had the right to seize property by any means, and without hesitation, if by doing so they secured submission and sovereignty. 10. We were the first to put the slogans Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity into the mouths of the masses, which set up a new aristocracy. The qualification for this aristocracy is WEALTH which is dependent on us. 11. Wars should be directed so that the nations engaged on both sides should be further in our debt. 12. Candidates for public office should be servile and obedient to our commands, so that they may readily be used. 13. Propaganda--their combined wealth would control all outlets of public information. 14. Panics and financial depressions would ultimately result in World Government, a new order of one world government." ]

that is a really good video I wish it covered the last 15 years.. if you know any that do please let me know.

[Praxius]

If there is such a thing as the Masons, it's not too hard to believe that there maybe an organization such as the Illuminati. In fact there are recorded historical records which point to many organizations which called themselves the Illumati, such as the Bavarian Illuminati which was founded in the 18th century.

The Illuminati theory would explain WWI, WWII and the upcoming WWIII we're about to encounter. It would also explain most of the images in your currancy. It would also explain why the white house and congress buildings are build and situated in both a pentagram and the mason's logo of the compass:





Unless someone purposely designed the area like this for their own amusement back in the day, how else would someone explain these things? Who and why would they incorporate these images, in almost everything the US stands for?

Karl Theodor, Elector Palatine, succeeded as ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati and the Freemasons.

Just because the organizations are banned, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Battig1370]

The general public are not interested in history and how the world operates, but the general public should know that who have the legal right to issue credit have the power and control.

3. The speaker asserted that the Power of Gold had usurped the power of Liberal rulers.... He pointed out that it was immaterial to the success of his plan whether the established governments were destroyed by external or internal foes because the victor had to of necessity ask the aid of 'Capital' which 'Is entirely in our hands'.

[Battig1370]

At present America's Total Debt is 48 trillion dollars.

How are the American people going deal with this problem?

[Nono]

Quote by: Prax Unless someone purposely designed the area like this for their own amusement back in the day, how else would someone explain these things? Who and why would they incorporate these images, in almost everything the US stands for?

My question is: If you're running an arch-secret organization with serious plans, why give it all away through gratuitous architectural gestures?
Don't make sense.

[Nono]

Quote by: Battig At present America's Total Debt is 48 trillion dollars. How are the American people going deal with this problem?

Same way as they're "dealing with" climate change -- by ignoring it, hoping it will go away, pretending it doesn't exist... By the time they're forced to bite the bullet, it'll be too late.