victory for separation of church and state

[Paavo]

I don't get it. Why on earth would anyone want kids to be "taught" a religion (in any form, prayer-moment, biased teachings, books etc etc) in a biased way? Teaching people how different religions view the world is healthy, and very much necessary IMO. Praying in school... makes ________ sense to me. What does a place of education have to do with prayer?!

[bugsbunny04]

I'm quite Christian and I agree with the ruling. I think the bible classes in public schools violate the establishment clause. And why? Because I can read.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Paavo, I don't get it. Why on earth would anyone want kids to be "taught" a religion (in any form, prayer-moment, biased teachings, books etc etc) in a biased way? Teaching people how different religions view the world is healthy, and very much necessary IMO. Praying in school... makes ________ sense to me. What does a place of education have to do with prayer?!

I understand why you would want to tech your own religion to children. If you get them first, they are less likely to change beliefs. Faith is like that, in that once you are taught to believe one thing by people you trust (teachers, parents) you can easily dismiss any religion which comes after. As for your last question, I posed similar questions back on the first (of six) page. They were phrased as serious questions yet no one has answered. I realize they were difficult questions but those are the only kind one can't answer oneself.

[PatrickHenry]

Stop stealing my money for public school. Educate your kids with your own f'n money.

[LogicaLunatic]

Originally posted by roxdog, Oh, I see. Divert wealth and build institutions that conflict with the constitution and after all the catch 22s are created, write them off as "just the way it is." Good one.

Divert wealth? You mean let them build their own religious schools if they want? Your post to me makes no sense.

Build institutions that conflict with the constitution? What? Where? Who? Private schools are completely constitutional. Your post to me makes no sense.

Does it make sense for this community's school to be supported by tax dollars from across the state?

Yes THAT does makes sense and yes that IS the way it works. Like I said, if they don't like their children going to a publicly supported school, which must follow rules about what can and cannot be taught, they can send their kids to a private school. If they want, they can build this school themselves if they can cover the costs.

Please stop replying to fully thought out arguments with a single, nonsense sentence.

Thanks,

LL

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Paavo, I don't get it. Why on earth would anyone want kids to be "taught" a religion (in any form, prayer-moment, biased teachings, books etc etc) in a biased way? Teaching people how different religions view the world is healthy, and very much necessary IMO. Praying in school... makes ________ sense to me. What does a place of education have to do with prayer?!

That is just it. It's not about you, Paavo. It's about freedom. The community wants religion in their schools. Yeah, there are a bunch of seemingly tough questions regarding the subject. But you guys are so quick to defend "the state" and disregard "the church". I don't know, seriously I'm not a bible beater or anything I just think there is a conscience effort BY THE STATE to erode the family and to turn our kids into crack smoking zombies. UNESCO, the UN education "oh, it's for the kids" and whatever-the-fuck, it's founder is quoted as saying the family is a disease and children need to be property of the state. What about teaching Jesus in a purely historical context and leaving it up to the kids to learn more if they want. We teach about Stalin, Mao , Hitler and Santa Claus. Why not Jesus. He's not a bad dude you know.

[Evil Baby]

Yes, but you don't have a class every week just on Stalin, Mao, Hilter and so on. That is all part of history just as many things about the Catholic Church are taught in history class. This is not a private school therefor the community does not get to dictate what is taught in the school. If they care so much they should send their children to a private school or like its been said so many times, after school hours.

[dotcoma]

the community does not get to dictate what is taught in the school

Why not? So, the dictator gets to dictate what is taught? Cool, all power to the state, that'll save us.

[dotcoma]

If they care so much they should send their children to a private school or like its been said so many times, after school hours.

"Private " schools are expensive. The public school belongs to the public and the public wants the class.

[Leopard]

Originally posted by LogicaLunatic, Does it make sense for this community's school to be supported by tax dollars from across the state? Yes THAT does makes sense and yes that IS the way it works. Like I said, if they don't like their children going to a publicly supported school, which must follow rules about what can and cannot be taught, they can send their kids to a private school. If they want, they can build this school themselves if they can cover the costs.

Tax dollars do not make sense. Why is force required to pay for something supposedly everyone wants? At least let people determine WHERE there money is going, like an option of sending your property tax to a private school or wherever.

I would settle for this: the government sets certain income division standards:

say:
10% goes to retirement
15% goes to healthcare
15% goes to education
etc...

but leave the choosing of which institutions or methods within each category up the each person: kinda like IRA's work and the proposed social security reforms (privatizing).

[dotcoma]

I like keeping what belongs to me out of the hands of communists.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by LogicaLunatic,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LogicaLunatic,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-roxdog, Oh, I see. Divert wealth and build institutions that conflict with the constitution and after all the catch 22s are created, write them off as "just the way it is." Good one.

Divert wealth? You mean let them build their own religious schools if they want? Your post to me makes no sense.

Build institutions that conflict with the constitution? What? Where? Who? Private schools are completely constitutional. Your post to me makes no sense.

Does it make sense for this community's school to be supported by tax dollars from across the state?

Yes THAT does makes sense and yes that IS the way it works. Like I said, if they don't like their children going to a publicly supported school, which must follow rules about what can and cannot be taught, they can send their kids to a private school. If they want, they can build this school themselves if they can cover the costs.

Please stop replying to fully thought out arguments with a single, nonsense sentence.

Thanks,

LL[/b][/quote]
Fully thought out? You're a commie and you don't even know it.

[dotcoma]

Divert wealth?

Yes, divert wealth. That's what governments have been doing for 3000 years...

[dotcoma]

Build institutions that conflict with the constitution? What? Where? Who?

We are talking about public schools, no?

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by roxdog, Why not? So, the dictator gets to dictate what is taught? Cool, all power to the state, that'll save us.

No, it would be more like a group of people, so they can try and decide what is best and fair for the whole and not let a few renegade disgruntaled town people run a publically funded school.

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by roxdog, "Private " schools are expensive. The public school belongs to the public and the public wants the class.

Well in this lovely Capitalist society that problem occasionally arises. Live with it.

[Evil Baby]

Fully thought out? You're a commie and you don't even know it.

Why do people post such carp on these boards. Just because you don't agree with him is no reason to throw a fit and call him a commie.

[dotcoma]

few renegade disgruntaled town people run a publically funded school

Well seeing as that isn't that case at all I fail to see your point. First off, "publically funded schools" (AKA, government training centers funded with stolen money) are unconstitutional. That being said, for the millionth time, the community wants the class, not just a few "disgruntled town people".

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Evil Baby,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Baby,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-roxdog, "Private " schools are expensive. The public school belongs to the public and the public wants the class.

Well in this lovely Capitalist society that problem occasionally arises. Live with it.[/b][/quote]
This isn't a capitalists society. Far from it.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Evil Baby, Why do people post such carp on these boards. Just because you don't agree with him is no reason to throw a fit and call him a commie.

It's not a matter of throwing a fit. I didn't throw a fit. He's sticking up for a communist institution. I'm just calling a spade a spade.