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Old Jun 9, 2004, 09:37 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Even If You only rated Reagan as a Good President, surely You observed that He was a Great man. Bush looks at Stem Cell research as Anti-Christian, although the research could save people from the Horrible disease that has claimed the Life of Our 40th President and made the final years of His life almost unbearable. Surely Reagan was In Bush's Prayers, but Bush had far too much on His plate this past week. If You were Bush, then You were trying to survive a week in which Your CIA director resigned, Memo's from the Justice Dept. explaining that You as President have the Power to authorize Torture were Leaked, and seeking Legal council for Yourself & Your Vice President to defend yourselves against accusations that Your administration leaked the name of a CIA operative. Your moving Into a week In which You'll visit the Pope, then attend D-Day Ceremonies In France where up to One Million Protesters may rally against You, a UN Vote on Iraq, and a G-8 Summit that you'll be hosting in Georgia where the leaders of all Major Nations will gather. Your previous week almost makes it seem impossible for this next week to go well at all, but then God Intervenes and Saves Bush. As Airforce One Is enroute to France the News of Reagan's passing breaks, and God lifts the Unbearable weight off Bush's shoulders. In France Chirac scrambles every Police and Soldier asset at French disposal to quickly remove any Protesters from Our Presidents sight while He's visiting, because the Last thing Chirac wants Is an American President, morning the Loss of another American President...coming to ceremonies remembering the Sacrifice of American Soldiers, who came to Liberate the French from German Rule...being Mobbed by French citizens Protesting the Iraq War and Bush Administration! That would be unacceptable. One day later the UN, Unanimously approves the Iraq Resolution, because the Last thing any World Leader wants to do, Is be the Lone Vote against Iraq...knowing that within 24 hours they will be In America. Not only for a G-8 summit, but also for the Funeral of Ronald Wilson Reagan. Instead of Your recent problems being the Focus of this meeting, now the other world leaders will have to put aside their serious issues and atleast pretend to be sympathetic to a Host Nation that has just lost a Great Leader. I have tried, but try as I might, I can't think of any other person except for Reagan...whose Death could cause this large of a swing in events that truly will effect Our World. If God/the Creator or something of Great Power doesn't walk hand in hand with Bush, then how does this Golden Key capable of unlocking all these doors...just Magically fall into Bush's lap? Ask Not, "Win One for the Gipper", Ask "The Gipper to Win One for You."



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Old Jun 9, 2004, 10:04 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Have You ever seen a First Lady Spit in someone's Face? Before You read the following link, I suggest You prepare Yourself...Because the Face spat upon is None other than Newly widowed Nancy Reagan...Are You sure You wanna see that?


http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;j...storyID=5383174


Remeber Now, Bush & Company are doing all they have done and even This...while trying to be elected, Go ahead give him 4 years knowing he won't need Your approval again!


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 12:14 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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From the article:

The Bush administration has placed restrictions on embryonic stem cell research and opposes using stem cells from most embryos, a stand Mrs. Bush said she supported.

He is such a POS. His religous beliefs are not supposed to get in the way of science.

--edited to clarify first statement as a quote


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 12:17 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Well all world Leaders won't attend Reagan's Funeral...Chirac has chosen to go back to France, and on his way from the g-8 summit Chirac claimed "American debt may destroy the World's economy" The French...Who Needs Em. Reagan wouldn't of wanted Chirac at His Funeral anyway.



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Old Jun 10, 2004, 01:25 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Who needs them? We do. Chirac was right.


"...with like-minded people one cannot discuss. With like-minded people one can only participate in a church service, and you know how I feel about church services." Ayaan Hirsi Ali
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 01:31 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Support that, if you would, I'm not polished up on my Franco-American relationship.


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 02:37 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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I meant that we need everyone, don't we? We attempt to be allies with or in control of anyone remotely signifigant. That is enough support, I believe!


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 04:48 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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I meant that we need everyone, don't we? We attempt to be allies with or in control of anyone remotely signifigant. That is enough support, I believe!

Amazing your definition of allies.

France, on th Saddam payroll via the UN food for oil scandle so they opposed the war and in turn helped kill americans. But Mia wants us to get their approval.

Yeah uh, no.


Young, there is a reason for the stem cell decision of Bush. Why don't you debate the merits of his stance instead of playing emotional head games with this tripe?


Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 04:51 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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The Bush administration has placed restrictions on embryonic stem cell research and opposes using stem cells from most embryos, a stand Mrs. Bush said she supported.

He is such a POS. His religous beliefs are not supposed to get in the way of science.

--edited to clarify first statement as a quote

...... I am laughing at the lack of clarity your post brings.

"He is such a POS. His religous beliefs are not supposed to get in the way of science."

So he should abandon his moral values because of science?

Why have religion or moral values by your lack of logic.


Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 05:19 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Amazing your definition of allies.

France, on th Saddam payroll via the UN food for oil scandle so they opposed the war and in turn helped kill americans. But Mia wants us to get their approval.

Yeah uh, no.
By your definition, you should question the US's alliance with the US itself, since they funded and trained him. You can make a villain out of anyone this way. And if the US can have shaky deals with dictators, just because it benefits them, why should you be so quick to judge france if they act to protect their interests? Don't for a second think the US has the moral high ground regarding this. BTW: 'through the UN food for oil scandal': That was only beneficial for individuals, not nations. 'Seeking approval' as mia says, is getting consensus with international leaders before making rash decisions which affect everyone, something which Bush failed to do. Also, I would be very carefull to 'hate' a country just because 'some' people did this or that.

I agree with your other standpoint. If the bush administration has the moral conviction, through religion or otherwise, that research into certain areas is bad, then it is their right to try and stop the research. Having said that, personally I think stem cell research could help many people.
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 05:25 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Tusaki,


Do you care why we backed Saddam for a time?

Obviously not.

440 day Iran Hostage Crisis. Look it up. We used Saddam to corner Iran until we figured what a dirtbag he really was. Why do you ignore that bit of history? Because it allows you to try and paint America as an evil country.


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 05:49 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Actually I do not, You must have missed my posts when I was protecting America when someone was spouting nonsense about 'americans'. If you want I can look them up for you. but I was trying to prevent you from trying to paint France as an evil country. I can totally understand why a government acts in a way to protect it's interests, unlike some liberals. But I get equally sick when I see someone trying to acchieve the moral high ground, villifying an entire nation and glossing over their own 'mistakes'. And don't say "we didn't know" "we didn't figure out". Saddam was not the only one. Supporting him was just percieved as being the best option at that time.
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 05:58 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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440 day Iran Hostage Crisis. Look it up. We used Saddam to corner Iran until we figured what a dirtbag he really was. Why do you ignore that bit of history? Because it allows you to try and paint America as an evil country.
Hahahaha.

"We figured what a dirtbag he really was." Which, oddly enough, was many years after he used chemical weapons on innocent people (gassing the Kurds.) One might say, shock of all shocks, that we didn't turn against him because he was a dirtbag, but because he broke his leash. Evidence: Islam Karimov, one of our current friends, known to be a dirtbag of the highest order but hasn't broke with Washington (leash still on tight.)


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 06:43 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by madprophet,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (madprophet,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Mr.Vicchio,

440 day Iran Hostage Crisis. Look it up. We used Saddam to corner Iran until we figured what a dirtbag he really was. Why do you ignore that bit of history? Because it allows you to try and paint America as an evil country.
Hahahaha.

"We figured what a dirtbag he really was." Which, oddly enough, was many years after he used chemical weapons on innocent people (gassing the Kurds.) One might say, shock of all shocks, that we didn't turn against him because he was a dirtbag, but because he broke his leash. Evidence: Islam Karimov, one of our current friends, known to be a dirtbag of the highest order but hasn't broke with Washington (leash still on tight.)[/b][/quote]


Yea, and if we did something about what a dirtbag he waa then people like you would moan what a tracherous bunch of bastards we are for doing it. It never ends, Mr. V is right, it's no use.
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 06:56 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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...... I am laughing at the lack of clarity your post brings.

"He is such a POS. His religous beliefs are not supposed to get in the way of science."

So he should abandon his moral values because of science?

Why have religion or moral values by your lack of logic.
Britain now has the world's one and only stem cell bank. Are we morally defunct and inferior to the US then?


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 06:57 am   #16 (permalink) (top)
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Yea, and if we did something about what a dirtbag he waa then people like you would moan what a tracherous bunch of bastards we are for doing it. It never ends, Mr. V is right, it's no use.
That is ironic seeing as it was Mr Vicc who started that line of debating. Do you have anything useful to contribute this argument?


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 07:03 am   #17 (permalink) (top)
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Yea, and if we did something about what a dirtbag he waa then people like you would moan what a tracherous bunch of bastards we are for doing it. It never ends, Mr. V is right, it's no use.
That was not the point. The point was that Mr. V. vilified France over reasons the US is guilty of themselves. And bitching and moaning that others are bitching and moaning never solved anything. There are good things about the war, there are bad things about the war and the US (and Europe, and the Netherlands, and china, and the bridge club my auntie is a member of) for that matter. Why is it so wrong to criticize the bad things? There are very very few things which are so simple as to be labeled purely good/purely bad.

(Edit: added quote: damn u pooeypants, for posting before i posted ;-)
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 10:20 am   #18 (permalink) (top)
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France can be "villified" for many reasons. They have their own problems of their own making. Anti-sematism is rapant in France. They have passed laws prohibiting individual religious freedoms and are struggling economicaly to maintain their own welfare state. I do not want my Country taking marching orders from the French anymore than the UN. Recent quotes of French Leaders and the actions of the French government garnish no respect from me.


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Old Jun 10, 2004, 11:52 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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It's a little more complex than that. Anti-Sematism is not as rampant as you claim, except under muslim immigrants. (related to the Israeli question). The laws they have passed are for government workers and public-school going students. And they are not prohibiting, they are limiting the individual freedom of religion of those groups in public time (while working or while at school). Things like a full-face covering burqua for example. The french have ever since the revolution been frantic about the seperation of religion and state. Economically france has had problems, but their current right-wing government is curbing the expenses of the state and pushing through overdue reforms. Still, hardly anything to villify France with. And replace "French" with "American" in your last sentence to understand their feelings.
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Old Jun 10, 2004, 12:52 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-URnotmeRU,

Yea, and if we did something about what a dirtbag he waa then people like you would moan what a tracherous bunch of bastards we are for doing it. It never ends, Mr. V is right, it's no use.
That is ironic seeing as it was Mr Vicc who started that line of debating. Do you have anything useful to contribute this argument?[/b][/quote]

Do you have anything to offer it? If you don't want anyones opinions or views then shut this fucking place down and open a goddamned blog for people of your personal politcal liking.
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