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Young · Jun 9, 2004, 11:19 am

I write this from the Heart and with full knowledge of what I'm about to suggest. I hope that every member of this site will atleast LOOK and hopefully add to this as This Is the Proper Time. Who amongst You are prepared to openly discuss "How" to take back Our Country? Who amongst US can think of ways to go about it? I declare Our Government Is No longer Our Own. I suggest that each of Us seek others willing to Sign support for a March on D.C. and that we set a Date for Our Move. Our Tools are the Internet, Letters to the Editor's of Our local Newspapers (www.uspnl.com complete list of all Newspapers in every state), Our family and Friends, AOL groups listed under Soceity, Nader and the Independent parties, Truck drivers, Military Vets, and anything else You can suggest. I'm speaking of an all out blockade of D.C. and we'll see If Our nation is ready to treat Us as China did students in T square. By Ourselves we are Weak, but together Our talents are Overwhelming. Think of Volconvo's Best Writers working together on a single speech and the Power we could Give to words. The Key or Goal is the Permanent separation of Corporations from controlling Our elections and Government. Together we can take Back Our Country.

Young

Osborn F Enready · Jun 9, 2004, 01:04 pm

I am here, I am available, and I am ready. People need to re-implement the constitution through this next election, or be forced with the reality of revolt by those who value liberty, and our American ideals. Liberty lovers have been quiet for a long time, hoping the sheeple would see the shortcomings of the current system, and act as one. We underestimated the media, the powers of generational money, and the willingness of people to ignorantly select comfortable slavery(which is what we have now) over self responsible liberty(which is what was intended, and the system was designed for). Now is the last chance for formation of those who see the real cause, with the internet, the last form of unregulated media they are currently trying to reign in to their "Standards".

I fear for those who prefer a master to an servant when speaking of government. We now have a master, who does not respect the Constitution, the rights of states, the rights of the individual, or the concept of self responsiblity. Arms are our last hope, though all reasonable mens last choice. Have we not been reasonable? Have we not tried to change our system back through THIS systems "legal process"? I have, as have many others, but the individual is consumed by party loyalists, nanny state idealists, and NETWORK media. We must unite, as a people, to re-establish the Constitution, before all hope of liberty is lost, and we are once again, all servants to a master that will not tolerate intolerance.

As far as what speech to use, I say the Declaration of Independence, with subtle changes to reflect the current fountainheads of power.

Sonart · Jun 9, 2004, 01:05 pm

Far out! Young, you take the west side, Osborn, you take the east... you'll have 'em surrounded!

Osborn F Enready · Jun 9, 2004, 01:26 pm

Im on it! Watch your fields of fire, and remember the call signs.

Gorgo · Jun 9, 2004, 01:51 pm

As long as the media, which includes the schools, and the movies, are little more than P.R. agents for the State Department and corporate power, we don't have much of a chance of improving things.

Milton Bradley · Jun 9, 2004, 03:06 pm

I also feel these actions are long over due.

I feel I have seen enough to know that anybody outside the cirle of power can get no justice. The monies have been concentrated into the hand of a few, and they do not wish to play fair any more.

Money allows people to insulate themselves from reality, and from the laws the rest of us are expected to follow. Government is beyond accoantability, and what other recourse could there be?

We have to get'em now while we can.

Third party, or REVOLT!

jose · Jun 9, 2004, 03:27 pm

We no longer have a Constitutional government, and this being the case it is the responsibility of our citizenry to rise up and replace the tyranny of concentrated wealth that has usurped the powers and duties of the Republic and defamed and destroyed the Constitution.
http://ipwebdev.com/campaign/cg9.html

Well i've been watching for a while and thinking " how much more of this SHIT will the americans take ?

PatrickHenry · Jun 9, 2004, 04:16 pm

The time is not yet. The circumstances will drive the revolution. To use an old analogy, the powder is still being rammed. Don't be hasty or you will experience misfire. Then the weapon is useless until recharged. Study and learn. Hone your skills of public speech and reason. Why does Dubya look like a fool? Because he can't think on his feet. Our weapons are the pen(keyboard) and our minds. Stay sober. Stay focused. Remain compassionate. This is for Ideals, not blood. Bear up under the pressure. You will know when the time is right.

Young · Jun 9, 2004, 07:34 pm

So we should wait until? Patrick I know what you mean and I understand that we are waiting On People to come around/wake up but I have Listened to them and how they hear the truth and dismiss it without any thought as if it were a Childrens book. I don't think these people deserve what their ancestors fought for, not if they're willing to flush it down the toilet. They don't read, If half of America would pick up a newspaper every day for a week, the fuse would of already been lit. We've seen these people before and watched them turn their cheek or close their eyes, they are sheep and we're the only good shepard they have and for Us to not be able to mentally reach them and help them understand doesn't mean we should follow their non action all the way back to the days of Lords & Peasants does it? If it takes that for them to wake up, and we're supposed to be the Lil Fire engine that could when they finally come around, I think that even in Your great wisdom your underestimating this Blaze captain...I feel like something terrible is about to happen, Ridge is in my head saying "I don't know where & I don't know when, but something terrible is about to happen." I had this feeling the morning of 9/11.

PatrickHenry · Jun 9, 2004, 11:11 pm

You will know when

Milton Bradley · Jun 10, 2004, 01:25 am

Quote:

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,
You will know when

Are you implying that encouraging action could not help speed up the process?

I think speeding up the process is most important at this point in time.

Criminals are growing old babysitting their ill gotten gains, and dieing in their comfy elite status, unpunished.

That REALLY pisses me off.

PatrickHenry · Jun 10, 2004, 01:29 am

Ram the powder. Ram the ball. Aim carefully. Squeeze the trigger slowly.

Your anxiety for change will not accelerate the process. It is a natural one.

Comrade · Jun 10, 2004, 01:30 am

Pfah, thats not what my hero Lenin says :)

Mr.Vicchio · Jun 10, 2004, 02:59 am

The speech would look great over at moveon.org, the heart of Volcanvo.

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 03:17 am

Except that this is good neither for the democrats nor the rpublicans, but you seem to see everything non-republican as being a democrat, or at least sympathetic to the democratic party.

Mr.Vicchio · Jun 10, 2004, 04:46 am

Quote:

Originally posted by tusaki,
Except that this is good neither for the democrats nor the rpublicans, but you seem to see everything non-republican as being a democrat, or at least sympathetic to the democratic party.

No I see things that are run on rants as funny.

You misunderstand.. hell most of you mis understand me.

I am not so much pro-Bush/Republican as I am common sense.

It just happens that moveon.org and DU are great repositories of material berefit of common sense. Not my fault the Democrats and the extremes seem to suffer from a serious lack of common sense.

tusaki · Jun 10, 2004, 04:53 am

How would you rate sites like this then?
http://freeconservatives.com/

Mr.Vicchio · Jun 10, 2004, 05:09 am

Quote:

Originally posted by tusaki,
How would you rate sites like this then?
http://freeconservatives.com/

Give me a few to check it out.

Mr.Vicchio · Jun 10, 2004, 05:10 am

Seems heavily right, pro-bush America. But I can't get teh forums to fire up... so I will leave the initial impression as such.

Young · Jun 10, 2004, 08:34 am

Hey V, I'm Republican...for like the Mllionth time, just because someone is ANTI- BUSHKERRY, doesn't mean that their Ideas come from Moveon as they are pro Kerry and I'd never Vote for either. My wishing for it all to change is based on...Look arund V, Our country is going to shit, and Our leaders are robbing Us, and when the Bonesboys are your only two options you could say your being robbed at gunpoint.

Young

Jun 9, 2004, 11:19 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	I write this from the Heart and with full knowledge of what I'm about to suggest. I hope that every member of this site will atleast LOOK and hopefully add to this as This Is the Proper Time. Who amongst You are prepared to openly discuss "How" to take back Our Country? Who amongst US can think of ways to go about it? I declare Our Government Is No longer Our Own. I suggest that each of Us seek others willing to Sign support for a March on D.C. and that we set a Date for Our Move. Our Tools are the Internet, Letters to the Editor's of Our local Newspapers (www.uspnl.com complete list of all Newspapers in every state), Our family and Friends, AOL groups listed under Soceity, Nader and the Independent parties, Truck drivers, Military Vets, and anything else You can suggest. I'm speaking of an all out blockade of D.C. and we'll see If Our nation is ready to treat Us as China did students in T square. By Ourselves we are Weak, but together Our talents are Overwhelming. Think of Volconvo's Best Writers working together on a single speech and the Power we could Give to words. The Key or Goal is the Permanent separation of Corporations from controlling Our elections and Government. Together we can take Back Our Country. Young Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

Jun 9, 2004, 01:04 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I am here, I am available, and I am ready. People need to re-implement the constitution through this next election, or be forced with the reality of revolt by those who value liberty, and our American ideals. Liberty lovers have been quiet for a long time, hoping the sheeple would see the shortcomings of the current system, and act as one. We underestimated the media, the powers of generational money, and the willingness of people to ignorantly select comfortable slavery(which is what we have now) over self responsible liberty(which is what was intended, and the system was designed for). Now is the last chance for formation of those who see the real cause, with the internet, the last form of unregulated media they are currently trying to reign in to their "Standards". I fear for those who prefer a master to an servant when speaking of government. We now have a master, who does not respect the Constitution, the rights of states, the rights of the individual, or the concept of self responsiblity. Arms are our last hope, though all reasonable mens last choice. Have we not been reasonable? Have we not tried to change our system back through THIS systems "legal process"? I have, as have many others, but the individual is consumed by party loyalists, nanny state idealists, and NETWORK media. We must unite, as a people, to re-establish the Constitution, before all hope of liberty is lost, and we are once again, all servants to a master that will not tolerate intolerance. As far as what speech to use, I say the Declaration of Independence, with subtle changes to reflect the current fountainheads of power. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jun 9, 2004, 01:05 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Sonart It's simply logical Location: San Diego Posts: 4,333	Far out! Young, you take the west side, Osborn, you take the east... you'll have 'em surrounded! I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it

Jun 9, 2004, 01:26 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Im on it! Watch your fields of fire, and remember the call signs. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jun 9, 2004, 04:16 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	The time is not yet. The circumstances will drive the revolution. To use an old analogy, the powder is still being rammed. Don't be hasty or you will experience misfire. Then the weapon is useless until recharged. Study and learn. Hone your skills of public speech and reason. Why does Dubya look like a fool? Because he can't think on his feet. Our weapons are the pen(keyboard) and our minds. Stay sober. Stay focused. Remain compassionate. This is for Ideals, not blood. Bear up under the pressure. You will know when the time is right. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jun 9, 2004, 01:51 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Gorgo BANNED-Warned multiple times about instigating. User then reported topics multiple times to mess with staff. Posts: 4,412	As long as the media, which includes the schools, and the movies, are little more than P.R. agents for the State Department and corporate power, we don't have much of a chance of improving things.

Jun 9, 2004, 03:06 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	I also feel these actions are long over due. I feel I have seen enough to know that anybody outside the cirle of power can get no justice. The monies have been concentrated into the hand of a few, and they do not wish to play fair any more. Money allows people to insulate themselves from reality, and from the laws the rest of us are expected to follow. Government is beyond accoantability, and what other recourse could there be? We have to get'em now while we can. Third party, or REVOLT!

Jun 9, 2004, 03:27 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,514	We no longer have a Constitutional government, and this being the case it is the responsibility of our citizenry to rise up and replace the tyranny of concentrated wealth that has usurped the powers and duties of the Republic and defamed and destroyed the Constitution. http://ipwebdev.com/campaign/cg9.html Well i've been watching for a while and thinking " how much more of this SHIT will the americans take ?

Jun 9, 2004, 07:34 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	So we should wait until? Patrick I know what you mean and I understand that we are waiting On People to come around/wake up but I have Listened to them and how they hear the truth and dismiss it without any thought as if it were a Childrens book. I don't think these people deserve what their ancestors fought for, not if they're willing to flush it down the toilet. They don't read, If half of America would pick up a newspaper every day for a week, the fuse would of already been lit. We've seen these people before and watched them turn their cheek or close their eyes, they are sheep and we're the only good shepard they have and for Us to not be able to mentally reach them and help them understand doesn't mean we should follow their non action all the way back to the days of Lords & Peasants does it? If it takes that for them to wake up, and we're supposed to be the Lil Fire engine that could when they finally come around, I think that even in Your great wisdom your underestimating this Blaze captain...I feel like something terrible is about to happen, Ridge is in my head saying "I don't know where & I don't know when, but something terrible is about to happen." I had this feeling the morning of 9/11. Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"

Jun 9, 2004, 11:11 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	You will know when "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jun 10, 2004, 01:29 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Ram the powder. Ram the ball. Aim carefully. Squeeze the trigger slowly. Your anxiety for change will not accelerate the process. It is a natural one. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jun 10, 2004, 01:30 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Comrade Hot Lava Location: Texas Posts: 1,229	Pfah, thats not what my hero Lenin says :) Oh, it's really too bad, isn't it? -- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050121/480/watw10701210224 Hahaha, that's funny. Liberals are so silly!

Jun 10, 2004, 02:59 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	The speech would look great over at moveon.org, the heart of Volcanvo. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jun 10, 2004, 03:17 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	Except that this is good neither for the democrats nor the rpublicans, but you seem to see everything non-republican as being a democrat, or at least sympathetic to the democratic party. Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 04:53 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	How would you rate sites like this then? http://freeconservatives.com/ Hope & Dream

Jun 10, 2004, 05:10 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	Seems heavily right, pro-bush America. But I can't get teh forums to fire up... so I will leave the initial impression as such. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Jun 10, 2004, 08:34 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Young Hot Lava Location: western NC Posts: 1,088	Hey V, I'm Republican...for like the Mllionth time, just because someone is ANTI- BUSHKERRY, doesn't mean that their Ideas come from Moveon as they are pro Kerry and I'd never Vote for either. My wishing for it all to change is based on...Look arund V, Our country is going to shit, and Our leaders are robbing Us, and when the Bonesboys are your only two options you could say your being robbed at gunpoint. Young Young I guess all we've got Left......are these darned "Internets"