Bush speaks for you - gass the world.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Technosoul Thanks to Bush none of the economy is working well.

America's economy is doing quite well, despite the deprivations to several important sectors due to the 9/11 attacks, so you must be talking about some other country's economy.......or perhaps this is just another ignorant, ideologically-perverted opinion, with no basis whatsoever in fact.

Color me unimpressed, but please try to keep your crayon inside the lines while practicing your, "art".

The reason why I noted the deabte forums on global warming is to point to the fact that this was already debated and this post is not about that topic. It is about Bush speaking on our behalf. Why sidetrack this debate with a debate about global warming when we have "been there, done that" all ready. And the posters here did in fact provide links and lots of science data in that forum.

So, this debate is only about whether Bush speaks on our behalf?

Then why do you post the following in your OP?

"You, the people of the United States thinks it is okay to cause global warming and to threaten everyone with the potential for getting cancer.
According to President Bush.

Okay you all, how come you voted to not support this important environmental plan? How come the Polls show that you all do not care about global warming or the bad side effects of carbon gasses coming from our tailpipes? Is it because you did not watch Al Gores award winning movie about Global Warming?"

Sorry.......if you think you can ask why someone doesn't support the Kyoto crap and then complain that they are changing the topic when they answer, I suggest you click the "report" button and complain to mods about it......see if they agree with you.

I don't think you will, though, because any fool can see that you are making a ridiculous charge, most likely because you have nothing to support your silly attacks on Bush, posing as a debate.

And I don't even need a sins tech to know about my sins. But you seem intent on pointing our my errors anyway.

I do not expect that you would even know what a SINS tech is, but FYI, SINS is an acronym that stands for Ship's Inertial Navigation System......while I would never presume to tell you anything about your sins, I consider it a duty to refute your misinformation about my country, its intentions or motivations, and its democratically elected leaders.

A lie unexposed may soon become fact in the eyes of the uninformed, which is how our media manipulates popular opinion according to their patently lefty agenda, resulting in threads like this one.

( hope you know the difference between inserted jokes and the real info?)

I appreciate your anxiety over my level of awareness, though I cannot reciprocate due to the fact of my not giving a rat's ass, comprenez vous?

My finger is pointed in the right direction. All four fingers in fact. I am pointing them directly at President Bush and his supporters. Blame Bush, shame on Bush.

I'm afraid that once again, I am unable to respond in kind, as I am only able to muster the energy required to point one finger back toward you.

Is someone else in charge? Is someone trying to make international policy in our name? No... it is Bush and no one else.

We have three independent branches of our government, who are concurrently, "in charge". Your professed ignorance of this fact can only be attributed to one of two things.......real ignorance or a partisan agenda.

The first may be forgiven unless you are an American, the second may not.


As you were.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: dilligras America's economy is doing quite well, despite the deprivations to several important sectors due to the 9/11 attacks, so you must be talking about some other country's economy.......or perhaps this is just another ignorant, ideologically-perverted opinion, with no basis whatsoever in fact. Color me unimpressed, but please try to keep your crayon inside the lines while practicing your, "art". So, this debate is only about whether Bush speaks on our behalf? Then why do you post the following in your OP? "You, the people of the United States thinks it is okay to cause global warming and to threaten everyone with the potential for getting cancer. According to President Bush. Okay you all, how come you voted to not support this important environmental plan? How come the Polls show that you all do not care about global warming or the bad side effects of carbon gasses coming from our tailpipes? Is it because you did not watch Al Gores award winning movie about Global Warming?" Sorry.......if you think you can ask why someone doesn't support the Kyoto crap and then complain that they are changing the topic when they answer, I suggest you click the "report" button and complain to mods about it......see if they agree with you. I don't think you will, though, because any fool can see that you are making a ridiculous charge, most likely because you have nothing to support your silly attacks on Bush, posing as a debate. I do not expect that you would even know what a SINS tech is, but FYI, SINS is an acronym that stands for Ship's Inertial Navigation System......while I would never presume to tell you anything about your sins, I consider it a duty to refute your misinformation about my country, its intentions or motivations, and its democratically elected leaders. A lie unexposed may soon become fact in the eyes of the uninformed, which is how our media manipulates popular opinion according to their patently lefty agenda, resulting in threads like this one. I appreciate your anxiety over my level of awareness, though I cannot reciprocate due to the fact of my not giving a rat's ass, comprenez vous? I'm afraid that once again, I am unable to respond in kind, as I am only able to muster the energy required to point one finger back toward you. We have three independent branches of our government, who are concurrently, "in charge". Your professed ignorance of this fact can only be attributed to one of two things.......real ignorance or a partisan agenda. The first may be forgiven unless you are an American, the second may not. As you were.

1. - Our economy is doing well for the oil companies and for those making war-related equipment - but the cost of the war alone could wipe out a lot of those profits you brag about, that is IF those favored companies paid their fair share of the taxes.

You said - President Bush is concerned because oil (fosil fuel) is good for our economy. I said under Bush the economy is not "working well".
Now our economy depends on trasnportation - especially the trucking companies, as the gas prices go up at the pump due to Bush's war and etc, the cost of business is effected, the home budgets cannot be managed to make ends meet due to the higher cost of gasoline. So the economic system is not working well for the average American.

Your idea of a healthy economy is a fantasy produced by White House Sources. Not on the realities of everyday life.

2. - Yes - this topic is about Bush speaking on our behalf which he does without knowing what the mainstream would consent too. I wrote the O.P. and know my own intent.

3. - Why debate the Kyoto proposal when President Bush does not care what we think relative to the opinons found in such debates. He has already spoken (for America ) and so it is too late to debate it. Any opinons expressed in such a debate are NOW pointless. Soo ... stay on topic please.

4 - You claim I am making a silly attack on Bush, posing as a debate.
Well, you are debating it are you not? So you contradict your self.

5. - Aha - I did not think you could know the difference between me jesting about SINS tech and the facts I presented. So I am right again.

Not respecting Bush has nothing to do with real democarcy, not respecting your fantasy about left wing media manipulations has nothing to do with be patriot. Don't waste my time with deceptions because I can see right through all that mask.

6 - Glad to hear you pointed only one finger at me, and point the rest of your fingers back at your self. Three out of four is rule of the majority.

7 - No need to tell me about the three branches of government - it would be better if you told President Bush as he does not yet know that fact.
And wants to control the other two branches to do his will and if not he will "go it on his own" (his own words) as our dictator Comander and Chief. And do not forget the 4th branch of government - we the people.

Well thanks for attempting to debate me, always good to find someone new around here who does not know better.

[Century 25]

Technosoul said:

2. - Yes - this topic is about Bush speaking on our behalf which he does without knowing what the mainstream would consent too. I wrote the O.P. and know my own intent.

Geez Tech.. I think in this statement you aced it..

The flippin' jackass (Bush) is basically just an overpaid lobbyist.. he has an unlimited bank account and it's our moola he's pissin' away.. I've watched him.. from 9/11.. through Iraq.. Katrina.. and the G-8 and Kyoto.. and all he does is zero-in on his.. "assigned tasks".. which are at his handler/s behest.. and most definitely not in our interests..!!

[dilligras]

Quote by: Technosoul 1. - Our economy is doing well for the oil companies and for those making war-related equipment - but the cost of the war alone could wipe out a lot of those profits you brag about, that is IF those favored companies paid their fair share of the taxes.

First, I don't recall bragging about profits, and I refute your obvious ploy to limit the discussion of economic trends to sectors chosen by political agenda.

I was speaking of the entire economy, which is the only rational, non-partisan course of investigation into the issue.

Here are the results, check them yourself and then kindly spare us any further trite, politically-motivated bumper-sticker platitudes on the matter.

You said - President Bush is concerned because oil (fosil fuel) is good for our economy.

No, actually I indicated that it was important to the economy, not "good" for it. Please stop mischaracterizing my words when they may be easily quoted verbatim.

I find your attempt to paint me as a friend to oil interests rather humorous, as I firmly believe that we could and should be doing much more in this country to wean ourselves from fossil fuels, and am currently actively researching and experimenting along with others to bring about that very thing.

I said under Bush the economy is not "working well". Now our economy depends on tra[ns]portation - especially the trucking companies, as the gas prices go up at the pump due to Bush's war and etc, the cost of business is effected, the home budgets cannot be managed to make ends meet due to the higher cost of gasoline. So the economic system is not working well for the average American.

Got any other non sequiters to bandy about? You characterize the WoT as an ill-disguised attempt to allow American oil barons to steal the resources of ME countries, while simultaneously assigning the high cost of fuel to that same effort.

Are you so ignorant of the law of supply and demand that you think our getting more of the world's supply should naturally cause a rise in the price? Seems a bit irrational to me, but then, I am never surprised at the levels of vitriolic hysterics and unmitigated gall displayed by those who espouse the talking points of lefty ideologues.

Your idea of a healthy economy is a fantasy produced by White House Sources. Not on the realities of everyday life.

Waaaal, pardner, if your statements here are any indication of reality, then I'll just stick with the fantasies.....they make so much more sense, vous ne savez pas.

2. - Yes - this topic is about Bush speaking on our behalf which he does without knowing what the mainstream would consent too.

We elected him to speak for us, just the same as we elect our congresscritters to do the same in the passing of legislation. How do they do it in your neck of the woods........with AK-47s and suicide bomb belts?

I wrote the O.P. and know my own intent.

The first is no assurance of the second, for which you have furnished plenty of reason to doubt, IMNSHO.

3. - Why debate the Kyoto proposal when President Bush does not care what we think relative to the opinons found in such debates. He has already spoken (for America ) and so it is too late to debate it. Any opinons expressed in such a debate are NOW pointless. Soo ... stay on topic please.

I contend I have never left the topic, having addressed only those statements and questions introduced by yourself in the OP.

You, however, clearly seek to limit the debate by avoiding the very questions you brought up, simply because you cannot defend your position otherwise.

Again, please report my, "off topic" ruminations to moderators, so that they may confirm this for you, since I have little expectation of your taking my word for it.

4 - You claim I am making a silly attack on Bush, posing as a debate. Well, you are debating it are you not? So you contradict your self.

I merely exposed your "debate" for what it is. I will argue with a fence post, so my participation here cannot realistically be used to legitimize your partisan bloviations.

5. - Aha - I did not think you could know the difference between me jesting about SINS tech and the facts I presented. So I am right again.

What facts?

As for your being right, I submit that you, like most, likely seldom percieve yourself otherwise. But then, you may be given some small leeway, given that most come by such bias naturally, their blindness derived from a lack of self awareness that I find rather common among your peers.

Not respecting Bush has nothing to do with real democarcy, not respecting your fantasy about left wing media manipulations has nothing to do with be patriot. Don't waste my time with deceptions because I can see right through all that mask.

Perhaps you could show us where I claimed here that respecting either has anything to do with democracy or patriotism......or do you expect your men of straw to go unchallenged in a debate forum?

No pass.

6 - Glad to hear you pointed only one finger at me, and point the rest of your fingers back at your self. Three out of four is rule of the majority.

Your gladness is missplaced, mon ami, as the finger I used on you is, by way of proxy, engendered with the votes of all other digits.

7 - No need to tell me about the three branches of government - it would be better if you told President Bush as he does not yet know that fact. And wants to control the other two branches to do his will and if not he will "go it on his own" (his own words) as our dictator Comander and Chief. And do not forget the 4th branch of government - we the people.

That's funny, that is. You repeatedly claim this to be intended as a debate about Bush's inappropriate assumption that he speaks for America's citizenry, while simultaneously engaging in rather perfunctory Bush-bashing........how predictable.

We must play poker sometime, as I feel certain that your pile of chips will quickly see their way into my burgeoning coffers.

Well thanks for attempting to debate me, always good to find someone new around here who does not know better.

Right back at'cha, pilgrim.


As you were.

[rmnunez]