Is Tony Blair a poodle of George Bush.

[billycotton]

Hi guys, as an englishman I find there is a widespread belief in the UK that if George Bush says "Jump" Tony Blair says "How high George?".
Out of interest do the American people think the same?

[Suburbanite]

As an American, Who the heck is Tony Blair?
Hah, j/k. Honestly, it isn't them controlling each other at all, it is those who are behind the scenes that have more in common.

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by billycotton, if George Bush say's jump tony Blair say's how high.

Wow, your media is worse than ours.

[sixmillman]

or vica versa the blind leading the blind

[PhanthomOps]

billycotton:
Quote:"Hi guys, as an englishman I find there is a widespread belief in the UK that if George Bush says "Jump" Tony Blair says "How high George?".
Out of interest do the American people think the same?"

Prime Minister Tony Blair, has been the most staunch ally we have had since going into Afghanistan and Iraq.

Some have compared the relationship between Blair & Bush to that of Churchill & Roosevelt.

Below is a copy of a letter that I mailed to Prime Minister Blair, which might give you an idea of how I feel about him.

January 14, 2004

Prime Minister Tony Blair
10 Downing Street
London SW1A2AA, England

Dear Mr. Blair,

God Bless you !!!!!

I am a 63-year old Disabled American Veteran (USAF), who had the honor of serving my country while stationed at RAF Molesworth from Feb. 1959 to Feb. 1963. Having English and Scotch heritage from my mother, I was pleased to be stationed in England making many friends of WW II English Navy and Army veterans. My wife Shirley is from Cambridge and we have four wonderful children. Now to the purpose of this letter.

You sir are an example of integrity, moral fortitude, honorable and ethical commitment. I have observed over the years many politicians who vacillate on their position, and allow themselves to sell-out their oath of office and responsibility to their constituents based on popular opinion and gaining financial and political power from special interest groups.

On the other-hand, you have taken an extremely unpopular position by immediately telling the world that you support President Bush and stand side-by-side with us in the war on terrorism. You have suffered the attacks of many even within your own party, and persevered at the possible expense of your career. You are a true friend of all Americans and servant of the English people, even to those who do not realize it.

I consider it an honor and privilege to be associated with you through my English heritage and feel that we are kindred in spirit in many ways. I pray for you daily and ask God to give you wisdom, and continue to bless you and your family. I only wish I had the words to express my most heartfelt appreciation to you.

Please sir, remain true to your convictions, yourself and stay the course. I for one respect and admire you, and wish you success in all that you endeavor. Hail Britannia and God bless America.

[PatrickHenry]

They're both puppets of the dark shadow spreading over the earth. Neither has any real say. UK would do well to elect someone who listens to the majority of citizens on the issues of the day. The US, too, but the task is more monumental here, with the political discourse monopolized by two parties that are allies in tyranny and a captive media that only repeats official lies unless the leak becomes too great. Our only source of truth on a mass scale is the internet and international media. Martial law will end our access to news truth and the means to organize against tyranny. Coming soon...

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry, They're both puppets of the dark shadow spreading over the earth. Neither has any real say. UK would do well to elect someone who listens to the majority of citizens on the issues of the day. The US, too, but the task is more monumental here, with the political discourse monopolized by two parties that are allies in tyranny and a captive media that only repeats official lies unless the leak becomes too great. Our only source of truth on a mass scale is the internet and international media. Martial law will end our access to news truth and the means to organize against tyranny. Coming soon...

Do you really want a candidate that only listens to the majority of the people?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Evil Baby, Do you really want a candidate that only listens to the majority of the people?

Who should they listen to?

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by PatrickHenry,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PatrickHenry,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Evil Baby, Do you really want a candidate that only listens to the majority of the people?

Who should they listen to?[/b][/quote]


See now there is the problem. Who knows what is right. I mean just listening to the majority of people could be extremly dangerous,don't you think?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Evil Baby,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Evil Baby,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-PatrickHenry, Who should they listen to?

See now there is the problem. Who knows what is right. I mean just listening to the majority of people could be extremly dangerous,don't you think?[/b][/quote]Dangerous? Who do representative governments represent?

[Evil Baby]

Quote by: PatrickHenry, See now there is the problem. Who knows what is right. I mean just listening to the majority of people could be extremly dangerous,don't you think?

Dangerous? Who do representative governments represent?[/quote]


One could argue they represent the people's best interest but the people do not always know what is best for them.


Also, what happens if they the government in power is not elected by more than 50% of the votes. Should the government in power assume they know what is best for everybody, should they listen to the majority of the people, or should they just listen to the people who voted for them?


I'm not trying to go anywhere with this, I'm just saying it is not always wise to listen to the majority.

Was it popular to give woman the right to vote?, or allow blacks certain rights? Is it popular now?

Do the majority of the people want a facist governemt? would their minds change 60 years down the road?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by Evil Baby, I'm not trying to go anywhere with this, I'm just saying it is not always wise to listen to the majority.

Is there a point, then? Majorities rule democratically based societies. Are you satisfied with an Imperium? Is there a legitimate basis for government agents to take my money away? Or is this just a protection racket? "Give us your money, so something bad doesn't happen to you!(heh, heh)"(as his fingers tickle the trigger of his gun)

Sure, Blair is lending a hand in the war on terror, but are domestic policies even remotely similar between the two leaders?

[PhanthomOps]

PatrickHenry:

Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anyone???

Quote: "They're both puppets of the dark shadow spreading over the earth. Neither has any real say."

For two men who don't have any real say, they're sure taking a lot of sh-t over nothing. And besides, I don't see any strings attached to either one.

Quote: "Is there a legitimate basis for government agents to take my money away?"

The Constitution of the United States:
Article. I.
Section. 8. (In part)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Evil Baby:
Quote: "One could argue they represent the people's best interest but the people do not always know what is best for them."

Would it also be reasonable to conclude that a good number of the people in the United States just don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves???

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (PhanthomOps,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>PatrickHenry:Don't you ever have anything positive to say about anyone???[/b]

Sure. See my post at: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/index.php?s...topic=284&st=60

Originally posted by PhanthomOps,@ Quote: "They're both puppets of the dark shadow spreading over the earth. Neither has any real say." I don't see any strings attached to either one.

They're hand puppets. You are not supposed to see the puppeteers and you don't. So?

<!--QuoteBegin-PhanthomOps,
Quote: "Is there a legitimate basis for government agents to take my money away?"

The Constitution of the United States:
Article. I.
Section. 8. (In part)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
[/quote]The IRS is an Executive agency and ALL AMERICANS have been declared enemies of the State.

In 1917, the Trading with the Enemy Act (Public Law 65-91, 65th Congress, Session I, Chapters 105, 106, October 6, 1917) was passed and which defined, regulated and punished trading with enemies, who were then required by that act to be licensed by the government to do business. The National Banking System Act (Public Law 73-1, 73rd Congress, Session I, Chapter 1, March 9, 1933), Executive Proclamation 2038 (March 6, 1933), Executive Proclamation 2039 (March 9, 1933), and Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111 and 6260 prove that in 1933, the United States Government formed under the executive privilege of the original martial rule went bankrupt, and a new state of national emergency was declared under which United States citizens were named as the enemy to the government and the banking system as per the provisions of the Trading with the Enemy Act.

From: http://www.theawaregroup.com/senatereport93549.htm

[Evil Baby]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, PatrickHenry: Evil Baby: Quote: "One could argue they represent the people's best interest but the people do not always know what is best for them." Would it also be reasonable to conclude that a good number of the people in the United States just don't give a damn about anyone else but themselves???

I think it would be very reasonable to come to that conclusion.