Fred Thompson running for president

[Mr.Vicchio]

Fred Dalton Thompson is planning to enter the presidential race over the Fourth of July holiday, announcing that week that he has already raised several million dollars and is being backed by insiders from the past three Republican administrations, Thompson advisers told The Politico.

Fred Thompson running for president - Politico.com

He's got a good chance of firing up the Republican Base. Like any politician, he ain't perfect. But he has several qualities that put him ahead of Rudy and or Romney, that being a more conservative record, he's a great speaker and is likable.

[Autolykos]

The question is, is he pro-war or anti-war?

I'll look into his voting record to find out.

- Rob

[Mr.Vicchio]

Pro-war or anti-war?

How about Pro-victory or pro-defeat?

Cause that's what's you really want to know.

[Autolykos]

No, I made it quite clear what I really want to know.

I do not care about victory. I care about peace.

Besides, what does victory mean to you? It may not mean the same thing to me.

- Rob

[Mr.Vicchio]

Peace at any cost?

Sorry history shows that doesn't work.

Victory to me is the Iraqi's run their country and the terrorist go bugger off.

[Autolykos]

If you want to engage in a discussion of history, and our perceptions thereof, feel free to start a private debate in Miscellaneous.

"Running their country" can means different things to different people. From what I see, the Iraqis already run their country. We do not need to be there.

Also, the "terrorists" would "bugger off" if US forces left Iraq. After all, they are fighting the US forces, not the Iraqis (perhaps because most of them are Iraqis).

So ironically enough, it seems that withdrawing from Iraq would indeed insure "victory" as you seem to (vaguely) define it.

- Rob

[Mr.Vicchio]

You honestly think, that if we left Iraq the terrorist would be happy and leave us alone and Iraq would stabalize.

I would have to heartily disagree.

[Autolykos]

What's funny is that Iraq was technically stable before the US-led invasion. Hence, it was the invasion which destabilized Iraq in the first place.

Tell me, what do you think is easiest to do -- remove the source of anger for millions of Middle Easterners and Muslims, keep doing what we're already doing, or escalate?

Sometimes, the easiest things to do physically are the hardest to do emotionally. Quite a shame, IMO.

- Rob

[Mr.Vicchio]

Auto... Iraq was barely stable, and only stable through brutal measures of Saddam and his thugs. You know this as well as I do, you are choosing to ignore that point to make your "unstable Iraq" claim. ;/

You can't remove the source, FFS WE ARE THE PROBLEM because we are not Islamic. Don't you get it?

Why is that so hard to accept?

[brien]

Why don't we wait until he announces and places his platforms out in public for consideration before we begin second guessing his ideas in his candidacy? I can't see what good it will do to judge him before we know his platforms. Perhaps this thread is a month or so premature.

[Mason]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Peace at any cost? Sorry history shows that doesn't work. Victory to me is the Iraqi's run their country and the terrorist go bugger off.

Victory to me is letting my kids deal with the trillions of dollars of deficit.


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[The Decider]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Fred Thompson running for president - Politico.com He's got a good chance of firing up the Republican Base. Like any politician, he ain't perfect. But he has several qualities that put him ahead of Rudy and or Romney, that being a more conservative record, he's a great speaker and is likable.

Fred steadfastly supports that convicted felon, I. Scooter Libby. That is one "quality" we will all hear more about in the coming weeks, among others.

Let Fred jump into the pool with the other Republicans; the water is boiling. :)

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Mason Victory to me is letting my kids deal with the trillions of dollars of deficit. [/sarcasm]

Yawn.

You're kids will have a deficit as long as people don't demand otherwise, with or with out the war, GOP or DNC in charge.

Grow up.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Auto... Iraq was barely stable, and only stable through brutal measures of Saddam and his thugs. You know this as well as I do, you are choosing to ignore that point to make your "unstable Iraq" claim. ;/

I'll entertain your claim above for a moment.

See, if Iraq was stable only through the measures of Saddam and his thugs, and we remove them, then by definition Iraq would no longer be stable. Also, it makes one wonder if, without Saddam and his thugs, Iraq as a political entity should be stable. Perhaps the US desire for Iraq as we know it to continue to exist, and be stable, fulfills a larger geopolitical purpose?

By my own standards, Iraq was much more stable under Saddam and his thugs than it has been under US occupation. So I don't see what point I'm ignoring here.

You can't remove the source, FFS WE ARE THE PROBLEM because we are not Islamic. Don't you get it? Why is that so hard to accept?

Perhaps because it doesn't seem true?

AFAIK, Osama bin Laden did not make his fatwas against the US because most Americans are not Muslim. All of the reasons behind his fatwas dealt with US foreign policy towards the Middle East.

Of course, it's easier to stick one's head in the proverbial sand and think that, because we must be all-good, the "Islamics" must be all-evil. That's easier to do than to admit that the US government created conditions that ultimately contributed to Islamic terrorism.

- Rob

[Mr.Vicchio]

It doesn't SEEM true? Do you ever, honestly, go out and read what these people are saying? Mahmud akmawhatshisname of Iran, the PRESIDENT of Iran? Have you read his public statements?

How about the rants of the Alquada and Co.? Why do you ignore them?

Honestly, why?

[Autolykos]

Where do you think I get my information? Off the top of my head?

Hell, I referenced Osama bin Laden's fatwas, where he explicitly states his grievances against the US government. I've also read both of President Ahmadinejad's letters to President Bush. Have you read them?

- Rob

[Mason]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Yawn. You're kids will have a deficit as long as people don't demand otherwise, with or with out the war, GOP or DNC in charge. Grow up.

AS you can see from my number of posts, I am the newbie here. I have been a ghost for a while and read many threads and Ill say this;

Your opinions are so far from the pulse of this country and this war you sound utterly ridiculous. You act as though you have an inside point of view that accends everyone else's when in fact you are one of the many sheep that just baaaaaaaaaaaaaa along thinking everything is honkey dorry and the US can do no wrong and/or never make a mistake.

I look forward to opposing your arguments in the future on the Iraq War.

Back on topic; Fred Thompson has no chance in hell of winning this election. The irony is the conservatives demonize the democrats for pandering to hollywood when the conservatives are the party who nominate actors. Once Fred Thompson's skeletons walk out of the closet as they did in the 90's, he'll burn like the rest of his party (Dr. No being the exception).

Also, I see you are a Navy vet. Happy belated Memorial Day to you sir.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: Autolykos Where do you think I get my information? Off the top of my head? Hell, I referenced Osama bin Laden's fatwas, where he explicitly states his grievances against the US government. I've also read both of President Ahmadinejad's letters to President Bush. Have you read them? - Rob

Yeah, and I have read his speeches declaring that he has met the 12th Imam, and that he will help bring him into this world.

Do you know the requirements for the 12th Imam to arrive?

[The Decider]

Quote by: Mr.Vicchio Do you know the requirements for the 12th Imam to arrive?

Fred Thompson announcing his run for president? Could you please tie this 12th Imam tangent back to your OP, or is Fred Thompson getting boring already? :)

Here, try this--Fred Thompson co-sponsored John McCain's campaign finance reform law. Red meat for conservatives!

[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: The Decider Fred Thompson announcing his run for president? Could you please tie this 12th Imam tangent back to your OP, or is Fred Thompson getting boring already? :) Here, try this--Fred Thompson co-sponsored John McCain's campaign finance reform law. Red meat for conservatives!

Could you keep up with the thread instead of trying to play lame GOTCHA forum gooberness?

I was having a conversation with Auto that evolved this way.