Amerigeddon

[Kyran]

Warning: Long post and Big Picture ahead.

The mother of all wars has begun.

It began several decades ago when Zionist bankers established the Federal Reserve. Later the same family created Israel, our Council on Foreign Relations, & the United Nations (sources available -- this is indisputable 20th century history.)

These actions transformed the United States from a sovereign Democracy into a subservient Corporation. Our business is taking over your planet.

Today, Saudi Arabia-OPEC only sells their oil for US Dollars. Perhaps this is why our currency is used around the globe so much. Those other nations will just have to sell us some of their products to get our valuable green dough won't they? Oh wait a minute, they DO sell us their products. We've got China, Korea, Taiwan, the Phillipines, Japan, (notice lots of Asia) and even Mexico selling us their fruits of industry in exchange for our petro-dollars. Being the middle-man does have it's advantages.

However, all this clears the muddy picture to reveal the ugliest war of all time: a war of fiat. France is responsible for the Euro, and it's leftist faction is fighting our right-wing faction in a currency war to dominate the oil market in the arab world. Europe has unionized as the main opposition to our status as World SuperPuppet. All nations must use the winning currency to get the fuel to run their industrialized civilizations.

This competition can end with one country becoming extremely wealthy and the other flat broke. The winner becomes the world salesman of paper money. The International Monetary Fund wins no matter who loses. What more reason would both unions have to merge currencies? Economic union leads to political union.

I am dead serious about the situation here. Our country is at stake. Having the Euro or the Dollar is equivalent to holding a horse ticket. You bet that your horse will win and your ticket will be redeemable for something. If one nation cannot redeem it's currency for oil, you cannot redeem your ticket.

Realizing these truths I have to pity our "leaders" for the paid losers they are. There is no thing they can do to avert these consequences. Our very soverignty is being gambled. If our administration does not continue forcing the value of our Dollar on the world, our nation will vanish.

So then, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the end of the world. It's time to put aside our petty ideological beliefs and get with the Americans.

You FSPers out there are sounding more and more desirable as friends right now. I plan on signing up as soon as I have a sufficient quantity of commodities onhand and the means to move. If we're going to do this, we're going to do it correctly. None of this shifting around without laying a proper economic foundation for a stable free civilization. I expect any individual willing to move their entire life across the countryside to be responsible enough to safekeep real money and pursue a trade. It seems feasible for a real secession to take place in the event of political union with Europe. I doubt many Americans would like the idea of becoming a Euromerican. "Hey, didn't we separate from those people 200 years ago?"

For clarity: The topic is Economic/Political Union between Europe and America, and the fiat war. If anyone would like to debate the issue, feel free to do so. But if you don't believe me, then at least you can say I'm spreading "rumors of a war."

Sorry, only source I have at the moment is:
http://www.currentconcerns.ch/archive/2003...04/20030409.php

[Sonart]

It began several decades ago when Zionist bankers established the Federal Reserve.

I stopped reading right there.

[castille]

I stopped reading when I got to Zionist.

Getting sick of anti-Jew conspiracy. I already know Jews run the world and secretly plan to sacrifice Aryan babies to their God Muhammad, is there anything I DONT know?

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by castille, I stopped reading when I got to Zionist. Getting sick of anti-Jew conspiracy. I already know Jews run the world and secretly plan to sacrifice Aryan babies to their God Muhammad, is there anything I DONT know?

Your reasoning is so lame, castille. Zionism IS an anti-Jew conspiracy. Even your strawman arguments are juvenile.

[castille]

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.

:rolleyes:

[Compugasm]

Originally posted by castille, I stopped reading when I got to Zionist.

HAHAHA, so did I. No wonder the rest of the world bitches we're ignorant. We don't wanna hear it any more. :)

[PatrickHenry]

Since your refutation is an article paste, I feel free to do the same.
From: http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/opposed.html

It is openly stated in the books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did. They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and then helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See books Perfidy, Min Ha Meitsor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today, they incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom Jews from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland." (G-d Forbid). Weitzman said, The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant (May we be spared).

[castille]

Well here is an unbiased source:

www.dictionary.com

zionism n : a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine

[Osborn F Enready]

``If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.''
-Thomas Jefferson

``Reason obeys itself; and ignorance does whatever is dictated to it.''
-Thomas Paine, Rights of Man ("Conclusion")

``If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.''
-Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.

``If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that too.''
-W. Somerset Maugham

``The best time to buy is when blood is running in the streets.''
-Baron Nathan Mayer de Rothschild

``the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.''
-J. Edgar Hoover, 1956, speaking of communism

``It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any "conspiracy theory of history;" for a search for "conspiracies" means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds. If, however, any tyranny imposed by the State, or venality, or aggressive war, was caused not by the State rulers but by mysterious and arcane "social forces," or by the imperfect state of the world or, if in some way, everyone was responsible ("We Are All Murderers," proclaims one slogan), then there is no point to the people becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, an attack on "conspiracy theories" means that the subjects will become more gullible in believing the "general welfare" reasons that are always put forth by the State for engaging in any of its despotic actions. A "conspiracy theory" can unsettle the system by causing the public to doubt the State's ideological propaganda.''
-Murray N. Rothbard, in The Anatomy of the State

``The terrible thing about the quest for truth is that you find it.''
-Remy de Gourmont

``... whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.''
-Patrick Henry

``Liberty has never come from Government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of it. The history of Liberty is a history of resistance. The history of Liberty is a history of limitations of Governmental power, not the increase of it.''
-Woodrow Wilson

``I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.''
-Thomas Jefferson

``That government is best which governs least, because its people discipline themselves.''
Thomas Jefferson

[Kyran]

Whoa! Read people:

URnotmeRU, What did I say that was anti-American or conspiracy theory? My argument against political union with Europe? My argument that we're being manipulated financially? Is being against the French anti-American today?

Hey, it's easy to make accusations. Try backing yours up with some cold hard fact. You'll sooner prove the Easter Bunny than show that I'm some kind of leftist.

Castille, prove Zionism is Jewish. It's your claim, now back it up. This is like saying "X is Y, and Z is opposed to Y so Z must be opposed to X" when X is not a Y in the first place. I understand if you are an atheist, but we Christians believe there are some Jews who say they are Jews and are not. Therefore, not everyone who claims they are a Jew is actually one. I'm opposed to Mormonism too, does that mean I'm anti-Christian? No, and I can prove any day any time any where to anybody that Mormonism is not Christian.

The founding of the FRB, the UN, and Israel is as real as the death of Ronald Reagan. These are events that actually occurred.

Is there a problem with me saying Zionists established Israel? Is there a problem with me saying Zionists created the Federal Reserve? So then is there a problem with me saying the Zionists created the FRB and the UN to establish Israel? If these were noble actions then noble people would defend them.

How about my statement that our paper isn't backed by gold and is therefore worthless fiat? So when I quote the U.S. Constitution saying "Congress shall coin no thing other than gold or silver" let's be honest about who supports America and who doesn't. My problem isn't with Freedom. It's with Big Government and anti-Americanism.

I realize that I cannot expect my statements about these events to be well-received; especially by die-hard Israel supporters. But when facts have proven that Zionist Israel is anti-American, that they have used us to empower themselves even at the expense of us risking economic collapse, don't give me any spin. The facts outweigh any hot air argument you can come up with. These things are inexcusable and traitorous.

The topic is Economic/Political Union between Europe and America, and the fiat war. My position is opposition to these events. Let's discuss it in an objective manner.

[castille]

PROVE what you just said....

[Kyran]

Wrong Castille, that isn't how this works. First, you prove what YOU said then I'll prove what I said. If you want a one-way argument where you do all the talking, get a mirror. This is the internet.

Just admit that you jumped-to-conclusions and move on.

Your Spin:
1. I am posting anti-Jew conspiracy theory.
2. The conspiracy is between a bunch of Jews who want to take over.

My Facts:
1. I am talking about Zionism, not Judaism.
2. No conspiracy between Zionists is in question; irrelevant
3. I never suggested a conspiracy between any individuals.
4. I provided some history of what Zionist individuals did.
5. I did not even draw a connection between them as individuals.
6. I can draw connections in their enterprises & organizations.
7. Those organizations and their potential actions are in discussion.

Now do you see why I'm not going to prove anything to you that involves Jews? Get on the same page with us here. You need to understand the impact of major 20th century influences to follow this dialogue.

[madprophet]

It began several decades ago when Zionist bankers established the Federal Reserve. Later the same family created Israel, our Council on Foreign Relations, & the United Nations (sources available -- this is indisputable 20th century history.)

Yes please. I'd like a link, but I'll settle for just the names of these "Zionist bankers" who supposedly did all this.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by URnotmeRU, This is anti american tripe is tiring, does anyone here have anything good to say about america?

English next time, please...Anyway, try pointing out something speciific. You're really good at saying something, getting proved wrong, then disappearing from the thread.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Sonart, I stopped reading right there.

Why? Are you saying it isn't true?

[dotcoma]

is there anything I DONT know?

Obviously, a lot...

[Kyran]

Prophet, here ya go.

Federal Reserve Bank: (1913 -- John D Rockefeller)
Established in 1913 by John D Rockefeller, later invested in by foreign entities; Rothschild Family.

Founded by:
http://www.norfed.org/html/articles/debtfor.asp
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_isra.htm (Zion connection)

Owned by:
http://land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_...l_reserve.shtml
http://www.rense.com/general24/whocontrolsFED.htm (Summary)

Federal Reserve Notes vs. Gold: (Just FYI)
http://www.mises.org/money.asp

Timeline:
1913 - Federal Reserve Founded by Zionist banker John D Rockefeller
1917 - Balfour Declaration (to Rothschild) Re: Establishing Israel
1948 - Israel reappears on the world map

Need I go further? Thank you for the challenge though, this has been a refreshing experience.

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I just noticed my usage of "family" in the quote is implicit. Sorry if that's confusing. I'm referring to the Zionist movement as a whole, not merely the Rothschild or Rockefeller family line.

I think the ReligiousTolerance.org link will explain a lot about right-wing fundamental Christianity as well. Understand the Zionist movement is to establish and support Israel no matter what it does. The fundie concept is that Jesus will return only when Israel is around (among other things).

When I use the term Zionist I want you to remember the face of this man: http://www.patrobertson.com/

And the movement he is a part of:
"We will bring Jesus to you."

And what he said days after 9/11:
"God has lifted the veil of protection from us for allowing homosexuality (and other sins) in our country."

Jews think Israel breaks certain key requirements:
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Zionism/A...ti-Zionism.html

Zionism's American counterpart is our Fundamentalist click. Does the thread title make sense now?

[madprophet]

Thanks. It wasn't a challenge, just a request for more info.

[The Dunedan]

Other important names involved:
Mellon, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Warburgh ( Daddy Warbucks of "Little Orphan Annie was inspired by this guy ), Carnegie, and Knox.
Mellon, Rockefeller, Venderbilt, Carnegie: Multinational corporation heads.
Warburgh, Rothschilde, Vanderbilt, Mellon: Owners, CEOs, or major shareholders in international banks.
Knox: US Senator.

[castille]

Jesus is also an important name. He was really an Albanian Jew who formed the 1st bank of Venice, called "La Stupido Venicism".

Also Adolf Hitler was really Jewish. His extermination was to secretly put the Jews in israel so they could begin a conquest of the world. Unfortunately Georing found out his master plan and they had gay sex and forgot about the matter.