USS Liberty: American Treachery

[Zeebadee]

"American Treachery in the Attack on the USS Liberty Much Deeper Than Previously Thought"

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"It has long been assumed that Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty was just another of her made-to-order false flag operations done simply for the purpose of dragging an unwilling America into a Middle East war on the side of the Jewish state. However, new information uncovered by former BBC investigative journalist Peter Hounam reveals that America--and more specifically the administration of Lyndon Johnson--was not as much the unsuspecting victim in all of this that she has claimed these last 40 years. Based on relatively new evidence, the attack on the Liberty was actually part of a much larger plan and that the Liberty incident was just one domino in a series of them that had as the ultimate goal a real-live shooting war between the US and the USSR. Had the Liberty been sunk with no witnesses as planned, the world would be a much different place now as a result, and certainly not for the better.

In short, what was planned for that awful day in American history was that the a defenseless, unarmed American ship sailing in international waters off the coast of Egypt be sunk to the bottom of the Mediterranean and that the Soviets and their Arab allies (in particular Egypt) would be blamed for the event. As with the sinking of the USS Maine nearly 70 years earlier, the cry would be "Remember the USS Liberty" and America's "justifiable" response to such a horrendous act would be the launching of nuclear weapons against Egypt, the USSR's ally. Working in tandem with the US would be allies such as Israel, Great Britain and, interestingly, Australia. The end result would be a Middle East free of any Soviet presence, leaving America and her ally Israel in possession of Arab oil for the foreseeable future and in a better position to dictate terms to the communists. " Voices - USS Liberty: American Treachery

Can't find any MSM links to this story, however, I'm sure it's something to get the conspiracy theorists worked up. I had friends on the Liberty, always believed that there was much that has been covered up about the attack. Who knows?, maybe there is something to this. Something to watch:

"Beginning in June, AFP will begin running a series of exclusive articles going into deeper detail the mechanics of "Operation Cyanide" with an individual who worked in US Intelligence circles and has first-hand knowledge of the events that took place before, during and after June 8 th 1967. What he has to say has never before been published."

[PatrickHenry]

I am looking forward to more details on this...

[jose]

The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a U.S. Navy intelligence ship, USS Liberty, in international waters about 12.5 nautical miles (23 km) from the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, north of the Egyptian town of El Arish, by Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967. It occurred during the Six-Day War, a conflict between Israel and the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The Israeli attack killed 34 U.S. servicemen and wounded at least 173. The attack was the second-deadliest against a U.S. warship since the end of World War II,

USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The United States is obligated by law and by international treaty to investigate all reports of war crimes by or against United States Forces. This report obligates such an investigation. We are still waiting patiently for a reply.

Survivors USS LIBERTY Memorial

At 0800 hrs, 8 June, 1967, eight Israeli recon flights flew over 'Liberty,' which was flying a large American flag. At 1400 hrs, waves of low-flying Israeli Mystere and Mirage-III fighter-bombers repeatedly attacked the American vessel with rockets, napalm, and cannon. The air attacks lasted 20 minutes, concentrating on the ship's electronic antennas and dishes. The 'Liberty' was left afire, listing sharply. Eight of her crew lay dead, a hundred seriously wounded, including the captain, Commander William McGonagle. At 1424 hrs, three Israeli torpedo boats attacked, raking the burning 'Liberty' with 20mm and 40mm shells. At 1431hrs an Israeli torpedo hit the 'Liberty' midship, precisely where the signals intelligence systems were located. Twenty-five more Americans died. Israeli gunboats circled the wounded 'Liberty,' firing at crewmen trying to fight the fires. At 1515, the crew were ordered to abandon ship. The Israeli warships closed and poured machine gun fire into the crowded life rafts, sinking two. As American sailors were being massacred in cold blood, a rescue mission by US Sixth Fleet carrier aircraft was mysteriously aborted on orders from the White House.

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose USS Liberty incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Survivors USS LIBERTY Memorial

Jose, the OP claims a conspiracy by America use the Liberty as an excuse to nuke Egypt and take over the ME oil fields. Could you please connect your posted information to that specific theory about the Liberty?

[jose]

I´m not posting anything just to suit you, i would rather hear the truth from the servivers than a new cospiracy theory, expecially next week is the 40th Anniversery of this War Crime
but.
if you´ve got any thing to ad, go ahead and post it
The USS Liberty: America's Most Shameful Secret

[shrike]

I´m not posting anything to suit you,

Could you please explain.What you wished to debate with you copy-pasts?

[jose]

Quote by: shrike Could you please explain.What you wished to debate with you copy-pasts?

nothing to add to the debate?:rolleyes:

[shrike]

nothing to add to the debate?

I just asked some clarification what debate points you brought by posting copy pasts from various sites? Could you explain to me this kindly?

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose I´m not posting anything just to suit you,

So you object to the OP conspiracy theory? Why? Does it take the attention off of Israel where you want it to remain?

Address the OP, please.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike I just asked some clarification what debate points you brought by posting copy pasts from various sites? Could you explain to me this kindly?

my debate point is why invent a new conspiracy theory when you have the reports from the Actual servivers and i provided a link to thier site.
do you have any information you´d care to provide?

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose my debate point is why invent a new conspiracy theory when you have the reports from the Actual servivers and i provided a link to thier site.

Finally, a concise statement.

How could the Liberty survivors, stuck on a beleaguered war ship in the middle of the Mediterranean, possibly know about Operation Cyanide, the alleged conspiracy in the OP? It's analogous to interviewing 911 survivors about the people flying and directing the planes.

Why do you dismiss this conspiracy theory in favor of the Liberty survivors' theory?

[jose]

Quote by: The Decider Why do you dismiss this conspiracy theory in favor of the Liberty survivors' theory?

:) would you rather belive the Eye witness´or the writer Peter Hounam forty years later. Have you read the book?

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose :) would you rather belive the Eye witness´or the writer Peter Hounam forty years later. Have you read the book?

How could the Liberty sailors know about policies and actions in government offices? If you believe they could, please provide the evidence from your links. In other words, address the OP.

And, no, I haven't read Peter Hounam's book. I'm not defending his conspiracy theory or the one you're pushing. I'm trying, as yet unsuccessfully, to get you to debate the OP, since you know so much about this case.

[jose]

Quote by: The Decider How could the Liberty sailors know about policies and actions in government offices? If you believe they could, please provide the evidence from your links. In other words, address the OP..

no they most certanly wouldn´t know the actions of the Government thats why they tell it as they saw it i.e. witness´s to the Israeli action

And, no, I haven't read Peter Hounam's book. I'm not defending his conspiracy theory or the one you're pushing. I'm trying, as yet unsuccessfully, to get you to debate the OP, since you know so much about this case

please be clear are you stateing that you think the witness accounts are a conspiracy theory?
I have posted some of what i know about this war crime, i encourage you to debate my former points, The OP was not yours, and you have said you don´t support it so just what IS your point if you have one?

[shrike]

Quote by: jose please be clear are you stateing that you think the witness accounts are a conspiracy theory?

No one denying witness accounts. That there was indeed an attack by an Israel. What survivors have no way to know is an intentions of American or Israeli governments.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike No one denying witness accounts. That there was indeed an attack by an Israel. What survivors have no way to know is an intentions of American or Israeli governments.

Thanks for giveing your opinion, which i agree with 100%, but i was directing the question to decider, as his post was somewhat unclear,and open to mis-understanding

[The Decider]

Quote by: jose no they most certanly wouldn´t know the actions of the Government thats why they tell it as they saw it i.e. witness´s to the Israeli action

Precisely. The OP takes issues with what some of the Liberty survivors allege, namely that Israel attacked the ship intentionally as part of a plot to drag the US into its war with Egypt; and later the alleged coverup by the US government to protect relations with Israel. The OP alleges a US spawned conspiracy to destroy the ship, blame it on Russian-sponsored Egypt, and then nuke Egypt to claim Middle East oil. The two stories, as I read them, diametrically oppose each other.

Quote by: jose please be clear are you stateing that you think the witness accounts are a conspiracy theory? I have posted some of what i know about this war crime, i encourage you to debate my former points

The survivors' conclusions from their accounts are contested by the US and Israeli governments (ie, not yet proven). They allege coverup by the US and Israel, hence "conspiracy theory." I have no idea whether their stories are the truth or not. You obviously believe they are since you call the whole incident a "war crime," presumably committed by Israel, the principal villian of the survivors' website. The OP challenges that view. I am interested in your refutation of the OP. I'm not informed enough about the controversy to debate the survivors' theory one way or another. Perhaps I will form an opinion after I see you address the thread topic with your information.

Quote by: jose The OP was not yours, and you have said you don´t support it so just what IS your point if you have one?

I neither support nor oppose the OP. I'm interested in your debate position since you favor a theory that directly opposes the OP. You blame Israel. The OP blames America. Comprende?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: The Decider I'm not informed enough about the controversy to debate the survivors' theory one way or another. Perhaps I will form an opinion after I see you address the thread topic with your information.

I don't think that the survivors story contradicts either theory. The survivors can only state what happened at the scene, i.e. the attack itself. I doubt very much that they were informed that there was a plan that involved their destruction. They can theorize as to the motives as well as we can, but I don't think they have any more insight on that than the rest of us have. The real intriguing part of this story is the final sentences:

""Beginning in June, AFP will begin running a series of exclusive articles going into deeper detail the mechanics of "Operation Cyanide" with an individual who worked in US Intelligence circles and has first-hand knowledge of the events that took place before, during and after June 8 th 1967. What he has to say has never before been published."