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Old May 25, 2007, 04:22 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Has anyone seen this scary stuff?...

[This is from Keith Olbermann's Countdown]

Our new dictator-in-chief

With no press conferences, and with no debate, President Bush has ordered up a plan for responding to a catastrophic "event" under which he has entrusted himself with leading the entire federal government, not just the executive branch. The scheme, laid out in a document entitled National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51 and Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20 that Mr. Bush signed in secret on May 9.

It defines a catastrophic event as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions." That would mean another 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, a bad day on Wall Street, an upcoming election, you name it. Sorry, he names it. As for claiming the right to run roughshod over the other branches of government, U.S. Constitution be damned, the document pays lip service to the need for "a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government" but says this effort would be "coordinated by the President." All in all, a document that would seem to be the paper equivalent of reserving the right for a dictatorial coup. Augusto Pinochet would be proud.

THE MORNING AFTER To many, it no doubt feels like a hangover without having partied the night before. What happened still almost defies explanation. What the Washington Post calls "a historical rarity: the passage of a bill opposed by the speaker of the House and a majority of the speaker's party." And yet pass the Iraq war funding bill did, by a vote of 280-142 in the House and by 80-14 in the Senate. Even stranger, of the 16 senators who voted against going to war to begin with in 2002, 11 voted last night to give President Bush whatever he wants.

Hillary Clinton, among the senators whose votes switched in the opposite direction. Having voted for the war resolution in '02, last night, she was among the small majority to vote against it. (GOP strategists, already salivating over the attack ad possibilities, no doubt.) Mrs. Clinton, it should be noted, waited until after Barack Obama voted to cast her ballot... thereby keeping her voting record on the conflict in line with her main opponent's.

A new poll in the New York Times showing that, on Iraq, the Democrats and the White House are seriously misreading the mood of the American public.
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And following are the links to the directive, itself, and other comments. Does this remind anyone of Germany in the 1930s?

National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive

WorldNetDaily: Bush makes power grab

New presidential directive gives Bush dictatorial power « Aftermath News

Mormanity: Dictatorship: It's for Your Own Good (The New Presidential Directive Flushing the Constitution)
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Old May 25, 2007, 04:51 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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This has been discussed in other threads.

But Bush is just augmenting the powers other Presidents have grabbed before him. It's incremental, but the republic has seen better days...


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Old May 26, 2007, 03:51 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Doesn't matter what other Presidents have done -- this is here and now, and it is so like Hitler in 1930s Germany. The Germans couldn't stop him, either, and it looks as if we're going to find ourselves in a similar situation. Is there nothing the American people can do to fix our very broken government???
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Old May 26, 2007, 04:54 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Klio, I don't mean to seem insulting, or attempt to disagree with your point about the dictator in chief, but I disagree with your point about what past presidents did is of no importance.

We are here today, dealing with what Bush had done, due to the last 157years of bi-partisan corruption, and secluding themselves in power by laws concerning elections, debates, campaigns, and their absuing every individual right enumerated in the Constitutiton which DID NOT result in violent revolt from the people, once their petitions for redress of grievance weren't met.

We are reaping the crops that we planted with the seeds of "War Powers and Emergency Act", "The New Deal", "The Federal Reserve Banking Acts", as well as the overall DENIAL of reason in law when it suits our petty, subjective, bullshit purposes.

Bush is a product of citizen neglect of reason, and rights, and quite a logical product, as it has been predicted and warned about for the last 100+ years, to which the sheeple listened with deaf ears.

Now, the burden of justice sits SQUARELY on the shoulders of the people.... Our Congress has failed, Our judicial system has failed, and our Executive has merged all powers both economic and social under his collective pen, via executive order.

I fully agree Klio, we are in deep dung without a paddle, and a large hole in the boat, but this boats course has been set over the last 157 years, and we have a hell of fight on our hands now to restore justice without violent revolt.

Some threads I addressed this subject in:


Jury Nullification
You know your country is no longer free when.....
Lengthy,factual opinion on the problems in the US
FBI abused power to get private records: report
American Fascism, where are its roots?
Watch the truth about the Federal Reserve
REAL ID Act?
Q&A approach to opening new understanding
Tommy Thompson for President?
Bush's use of signing statements......treason in action
OVER 70 stations BUSTED for FAKE NEWS!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Declaration of Noncompliance
Ron Paul speaks out on the hidden agenda...

Also, I would encourage you to check out this link for factual references of a variety of Unconstitutional history in the United States.
The Architecture of Modern Political Power

Good Luck.

Ron Paul, 2008


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm

Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/


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Old May 26, 2007, 05:23 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Sounds like Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro, eh?

You mean lefties don't really want the kind of govt they profess to admire?

Hillary's just chomping at the bit, I'll wager.......It'll be like Bush on steroids, when it comes to losing your freedoms and taking your property.


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Old May 26, 2007, 05:50 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Dilligras, not all "lefties" as you call us, like Chavez and Castro.


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Old May 26, 2007, 06:21 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Dilligras, not all "lefties" as you call us, like Chavez and Castro.
For the record, gw, I was not referring to any particular person, so if you want to claim the label you do so of your own accord.

I only use the word "lefty" because "liberal" is such a misnomer for most of the portsiders, who I find to be anything but generous-- unless they are busy giving away the working stiff's jobs and hard-earned tax dollars to those who would be better used as lab rats in some infernal commie "health clinic".


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Old May 26, 2007, 09:48 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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According to Glenn Beck's hairdresser's nephew's sister-in-law's gardener, a new study from Harvard and Stanford has determined that it is no longer a question of "if" terrorists will strike the US with a nuclear device, but rather only when.

Lemmeseenow........would that qualify as a "catastrophic event?"


"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees."
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Old May 28, 2007, 07:00 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Klio, I don't mean to seem insulting, or attempt to disagree with your point about the dictator in chief, but I disagree with your point about what past presidents did is of no importance.
No offense taken, O.F. I gave a very flip response, and I didn't, of course mean that what past presidents did doesn't matter. What I meant was that we don't have the luxury of ruminating about what might have been if such-and-such a president hadn't done what he did. We have a serious and IMMEDIATE problem with Bush steam-rolling his Straussian policies all over us.

We have to act NOW about what's going on, or it will be, as in 1930s Germany, too late. If these factions of the PANC aren't driven out of the Administration, soon, we're all going to be watching goose-stepping soldiers march down our street, and all the liberal element among us off to internment camps.

These people are truly SCARY!
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