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[GHook93]

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All I hear by people is that Israel over-reacts to these blatant acts of war. Here is what these missiles look like. They are not just big fire-crackers. To my surprise they are much worse than what I thought.

On top of that people are demanding that Israel negotiate and compromise with a leader that states, "Before Israel dies, we must humiliate it." He will never talk of peace, ending the violence, what is best for his people or compromising himself.

[rez]

Quote by: GHook93 YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. YouTube - Qassam missile attack Sderot 2007 YouTube - Deadly Qassam attack on the Israeli city of Sderot All I hear by people is that Israel over-reacts to these blatant acts of war. Here is what these missiles look like. They are not just big fire-crackers. To my surprise they are much worse than what I thought. On top of that people are demanding that Israel negotiate and compromise with a leader that states, "Before Israel dies, we must humiliate it." He will never talk of peace, ending the violence, what is best for his people or compromising himself.

To your first link...Is having a Jewish homeland worth all the fear and drama? These people decided to live there knowing the consequences.

[Slevin57]

I don't really think Hamas stands a chance.

If they give the Israeli army a legitimate reason, they will send their army to crush the government.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: GHook93 All I hear by people is that Israel over-reacts to these blatant acts of war. Here is what these missiles look like. They are not just big fire-crackers. To my surprise they are much worse than what I thought.

How many civilians have been killed by Israeli missile attacks in Gaza and Lebanon? Compared to Israeli bombs and missiles, the quassam is nothing more than a nuisance.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Zeebadee How many civilians have been killed by Israeli missile attacks in Gaza and Lebanon? Compared to Israeli bombs and missiles, the quassam is nothing more than a nuisance.

I have said it before the killing of innocent civilians is tragic. It is a shame when a few "bad apples" put many innocent ones in harms way.

But do you really expect the Israelis not to do something when a missile is shot into their country? Is that an even fair or logical request?

[Matt W]

Is it fair or logical to ask a technologically advanced democratic nation not to apply collective punishment to a nation or not to kill family members of people they believe are committing crimes? I'd say so.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GHook93 I have said it before the killing of innocent civilians is tragic. It is a shame when a few "bad apples" put many innocent ones in harms way. But do you really expect the Israelis not to do something when a missile is shot into their country? Is that an even fair or logical request?

Ok, so if the Palestinians or the Lebanese target civilians, you are suggesting that it is "fair and reasonable" that the the Israelis target Palestinian or Lebanese civilians. That is neither fair nor reasonable.

And the old claim that the Israelis were really targeting terrorists and civlians just happened to get in the way has been used far too many times to be believable.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Matt W Is it fair or logical to ask a technologically advanced democratic nation not to apply collective punishment to a nation or not to kill family members of people they believe are committing crimes? I'd say so.

Nor is fair fair for the other less-technical side to get away with launching missiles at random targets or walking into a crowded market with a bomb strapped to their chest.

[Matt W]

So it's not fair or logical to ask a democratic nation to use due process? Interesting.

[RickSp]

Quote by: GHook93 Nor is fair fair for the other less-technical side to get away with launching missiles at random targets or walking into a crowded market with a bomb strapped to their chest.

So it is wrong for a suicide bomber to blow himself or herself up in crowded market place but OK for the IDF to fire missles into a crowded market place? Interesting double standard. The body count in either case is about the same.

[shrike]

Quote by: matt Is it fair or logical to ask a technologically advanced democratic nation not to apply collective punishment to a nation or not to kill family members of people they believe are committing crimes? I'd say so.

Killing Qassam launchers is not collective punishment.

And the old claim that the Israelis were really targeting terrorists and civlians just happened to get in the way has been used far too many times to be believable

And what is unbelievable about that? In war civilians die. Are you familiar with wars that civilians don't die? Of course we should differentiate what is main target of the attack and what was done to minimize civilian losses

[GHook93]

Quote by: Matt W So it's not fair or logical to ask a democratic nation to use due process? Interesting.

Where the hell did you get that from MOD? It is unfair and illogical to expect a group of people to stand idle when they are getting attacked.:rolleyes::

What did you British guys do when the IRA was blowing up places? Did you just sit there and say,"Cheerio."

[GHook93]

Quote by: RickSp So it is wrong for a suicide bomber to blow himself or herself up in crowded market place but OK for the IDF to fire missles into a crowded market place? Interesting double standard. The body count in either case is about the same.

You can twist anyway you want Rick, your a pro at that.

[jose]

Quote by: shrike Killing Qassam launchers is not collective punishment. And what is unbelievable about that? In war civilians die. Are you familiar with wars that civilians don't die? Of course we should differentiate what is main target of the attack and what was done to minimize civilian losses

In an isolated barely field, located just few hundred meters away from the Israel-Gaza border line in eastern Rafah city, a heap of barley lies in the middle of the field. The field is now abandoned -- why? Not because there are no farmers in the area, but rather because the Loulahi family, who had been harvesting barley, were hit by Israeli missiles.

the Zannana [unmanned drone plane] fired a missile that hit us directly," Aisha says. "My father rushed to us and called for the ambulance, then another missile was fired. I kept dragging my body until I arrived at our house and asked help from the neighbors, then a third missile was hit. By then, I heard people saying, 'the car was went off' and I learned that my sister Samah and my brother Ahmad were killed, while my father was injured," A'isha recalls. "There were no gunmen near us, it's our field, we come here everyday to harvest the barley. Why did they hit us?

More civilian deaths in Gaza - International Middle East Media Center - IMEMC

[shrike]

Do you have a major news source?

[The Decider]

Quote by: GHook93 It is unfair and illogical to expect a group of people to stand idle when they are getting attacked.:rolleyes::

When Israel attacks, they kill civilians and make more terrorists. It's counterproductive. We've seen the Israelis attack the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank year after year after year. Has it produced more moderate Palestinians? What has Israel gained for all its military muscle flexing--"security?"

Israel must return to the bargaining table and hammer out a comprehensive peace settlement EVEN WITH the occasional missile attacks on its borders. To expect cooler heads to prevail over time is simply fantasy. Temporarily move the settlements further from the border if they have to. Resume the peace negotiations, now.

Quote by: GHook93 What did you British guys do when the IRA was blowing up places? Did you just sit there and say,"Cheerio."

Did you ever see the movie "In the Name of My Father?" Watch it and you'll learn the price Britain and the Irish paid for an overzealous military approach to "The Troubles." In the end, a political solution brought peace. The same end must take place in the Middle East. Israel has no military solution to her vexing Palestinian problem. None.

[shrike]

When Israel attacks, they kill civilians and make more terrorists. It's counterproductive. We've seen the Israelis attack the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank year after year after year. Has it produced more moderate Palestinians? What has Israel gained for all its military muscle flexing--"security?"

Israel government obligation towards its citizens is protect them against immediate risks. If there is suicide bomber in the way toward Israeli city or Qussam Launchers are going to hit civilian population. The duty of the government is to take them down.

Israel must return to the bargaining table and hammer out a comprehensive peace settlement EVEN WITH the occasional missile attacks on its borders. To expect cooler heads to prevail over time is simply fantasy. Temporarily move the settlements further from the border if they have to. Resume the peace negotiations, now.

There is no partner on other side. Hamass don't want peace it even want to recognize the Israel right to exist.How can you negotiate with someone that their stated goal is to destroy you?

In the end, a political solution brought peace. The same end must take place in the Middle East. Israel has no military solution to her vexing Palestinian problem. None.

Political solutions was tried by the leftist and failed miserably. I say Palestinians are not ready for peace maybe after 200 years something will change.

[The Decider]

Quote by: shrike Israel government obligation towards its citizens is protect them against immediate risks. If there is suicide bomber in the way toward Israeli city or Qussam Launchers are going to hit civilian population. The duty of the government is to take them down.

The consquences of these attacks are often more suicide bombings and missile attacks. The military can't solve this problem; they haven't solved this problem. On the contrary, it's getting worse.

Quote by: shrike There is no partner on other side. Hamass don't want peace it even want to recognize the Israel right to exist.How can you negotiate with someone that their stated goal is to destroy you?

Prior to the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, the Egyptians didn't recognize Israel's right to exist either. In fact, it was President Gamal Nasser who coined the phrase "push the Jews into the sea." Nobody thought peace was possible with the Egyptians, until Anwar Sadat traveled to Tel Aviv, shook Begin's hand, and signed a treaty that remains in effect to this very day. Israel has no choice but to negotiate with whomever the Palestinians appoint to represent them. More time and more military action will not produce more love for Israel. It can only get worse--alot worse.

Quote by: shrike Political solutions was tried by the leftist and failed miserably. I say Palestinians are not ready for peace maybe after 200 years something will change.

Eventually, Israel will have no choice. The festering Palestinian slums in the Occupied Territories, in Jordan, and in Lebanon are time-bombs for the entire region. America will either lean on Israel to negotiate against her will or sit back as Al Qaeda makes further inroads in those camps. That is an American security concern, not just an Israeli one. You don't have 200 years to wait.

[shrike]

The consquences of these attacks are often more suicide bombings and missile attacks. The military can't solve this problem; they haven't solved this problem. On the contrary, it's getting worse.

So you say Israeli government should do nothing as its citizens are blown up by the Suicide bombers such government will not last long it will be overthrown by the citizens.

Prior to the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, the Egyptians didn't recognize Israel's right to exist either. In fact, it was President Gamal Nasser who coined the phrase "push the Jews into the sea." Nobody thought peace was possible with the Egyptians, until Anwar Sadat traveled to Tel Aviv, shook Begin's hand, and signed a treaty that remains in effect to this very day. Israel has no choice but to negotiate with whomever the Palestinians appoint to represent them. More time and more military action will not produce more love for Israel. It can only get worse--alot worse

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There was no part in Egyptian constitution that Israel should be destroyed. I don't think there was something about Israel or Palestine in Egyptian law system. The stated Charter of Hamas is to create a state on whole territory including Israel. Hamass don't want peace they said its numerous times. Although they willing for some kind of temporary cease fire but in the end they want the destruction of Israel. And I don't see any change in their statements or intentions
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[Matt W]

Quote by: GHook93 Where the hell did you get that from MOD? It is unfair and illogical to expect a group of people to stand idle when they are getting attacked.:rolleyes:: What did you British guys do when the IRA was blowing up places? Did you just sit there and say,"Cheerio."

No, we stuck them in prison, we didn't launch rockets into random areas of Belfast. Any more strawmen?

Anything more to add about me being a mod, or have you quite finished with that particular BS distraction? I am a member, examining your argument. Is there a problem with that?