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jose · May 18, 2007, 03:40 pm

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How much is Israel doing to explain to the world what's going on in Gaza? Israeli Foreign Ministry orders Israeli ambassadors to meet world governments' officials in attempt to rally support for possible incursion in Gaza

Escalating violence in the Gaza strip and the recent Qassam barrage on Sderot and the Western Negev have raised, again, the call for the Israeli government to take action to stop the rocket launchings.
Can Israel use these latest events to win over public opinion? Is Israel doing enough to justify its future actions? Before even one tank starts its engine, many believe Israel should first hone its spokesmanship skills.
Zvi Mazel, former Israeli ambassador to Egypt and Sweden, agrees. Israel is at war, he said Wednesday, "and no one seems to utilize it. You don't see anyone from the foreign ministry explaining the events, and the European press hardly covers it. There are simply not enough fatalities."
Mazel thinks Israel should come out with their verbal guns blazing. "We have to launch a campaign about the Qassam situation. We have to wake Europe up to the battle we have on our hands.
Spoon-feeding Europe

"We have to appeal to the UN, to the Red Cross, to all those global organization scrutinizing us and make them see what's going on." he said. "We have to make the world see Hamas for exactly what it is."

Israeli spokesmanship is invisible, probably because the country is a democracy, said Mazel. "That's exactly where we're going wrong. Just because the world knows we are one, doesn't mean we shouldn't remind them of that all the time.
"Europe is swamped with all kinds of information, and if we won't go and spoon-feed them with what we need them to know, be it through the TV, the internet or the print media, people simply won't know what's going on."

http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/Art...401105,00.html

PatrickHenry · May 18, 2007, 03:46 pm

Maybe ending the occupation of Palestinian lands would speak louder than words...

Arawn-ap-Hywel · May 18, 2007, 03:53 pm

jose and what concessions are you prepared to make to enable those lands taken by force to be compensated.

Why should the EU be interested?

Do you want to gain membership?

shrike · May 18, 2007, 04:26 pm

Jоse what do you want to debate here?

rez · May 18, 2007, 04:50 pm

I have been reading about the whole Isreal Middle east conflict and I am not quite sure if I am learning from bias sources.

Sounds to me that the Arabs did not like the Jews immigrating in the middle East much like some Americans do not like Mexicans immigrating in America. Why can't Arabs and Jews live together if both are there to worship their "magical" and "holy" lands?

It is really hard to debate this subject when both sides of this conflict are dillusional and wraped up in their own magical thinking. See what happens when people try to make their hocas pocas a reality?

Zeebadee · May 18, 2007, 07:36 pm

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It is really hard to debate this subject when both sides of this conflict are dillusional and wraped up in their own magical thinking. See what happens when people try to make their hocas pocas a reality?

Having your land stolen is hardly "hocas pocas".

rez · May 18, 2007, 07:47 pm

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Having your land stolen is hardly "hocas pocas".

Immigration is stealing land?

Zeebadee · May 18, 2007, 08:00 pm

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Immigration is stealing land?

It sure is when you come in and set up your own government and laws and kick the current inhabitants out.

rez · May 18, 2007, 08:03 pm

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It sure is when you come in and set up your own government and laws and kick the current inhabitants out.

did they HAVE to leave their homes?

Zeebadee · May 18, 2007, 08:18 pm

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did they HAVE to leave their homes?

I suppose they could stay and fight to get their land back. Gee, what a coincidence. Isn't that pretty much what's been going on since 1948?

shrike · May 19, 2007, 02:05 am

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It sure is when you come in and set up your own government and laws and kick the current inhabitants out.

No one kicked anyone.There was a war that Arabs started.They lost.In war there was refuges Arab and Jewish.

Zeebadee · May 19, 2007, 12:35 pm

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No one kicked anyone.There was a war that Arabs started.They lost.In war there was refuges Arab and Jewish.

The war started when Israel declared itself a nation on other people's land. It continues today.

BobbyO · May 19, 2007, 12:44 pm

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Maybe ending the occupation of Palestinian lands would speak louder than words...

I believe they did end the occupation of Gaza. It does not seem to have had the beneficial, peaceful results you seem to think it would...

PatrickHenry · May 19, 2007, 04:03 pm

The occupation of Gaza did not end, my friend. Israel removed her illegal settlements from that area. The occupation continues...

shrike · May 19, 2007, 04:19 pm

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The war started when Israel declared itself a nation on other people's land. It continues today

You don’t mean the Muslim occupiers of course? .It was like I said part of the land was bought by Jewish Fond other part was state land from mandate and there was privately owned land by Arabs and Jews.

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The occupation of Gaza did not end, my friend. Israel removed her illegal settlements from that area. The occupation continues...

How so? Also there is occupation in Judea and Samaria either there is no military rule over local Arabs.

PatrickHenry · May 19, 2007, 04:29 pm

Any tanks in Gaza today? If no...will there be tomorrow? QED

shrike · May 19, 2007, 04:38 pm

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Any tanks in Gaza today? If no...will there be tomorrow

So what you point? There is now rocket attack from Gaza .Israel has full right to commit local incursions against the attackers.

jose · May 19, 2007, 04:46 pm

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ISRAEL has allowed Fatah to bring about 500 troops into the Gaza Strip under a US-co-ordinated scheme to counter Hamas, the Islamic movement that won Palestinian parliamentary elections last year.

Troops cross into Gaza with Israel's blessing - World - smh.com.au

The World's Largest Prison Camp
Last week, the Israeli cabinet has decided that it would maintain troops on the border between Gaza and Egypt for the foreseeable future - along the so-called Philadelphia corridor. It was from a watchtower on this border that peace activist Tom Hurndall was shot in 2003. The same cabinet meeting also decided that Israel must continue to control who enters and exits Gaza through Egypt and proposed a new border crossing at Kerem Shalom where Israel, Gaza and Egypt meet. This busy cabinet meeting also decided that it would allow Gaza to have three miles of territorial waters - after that Israel would control the sea. It had already been decided that Israel will continue to control Gaza's airspace.Paul McCann: The world's largest prison camp - Independent Online Edition > Commentators

jose · May 19, 2007, 04:51 pm

The Israeli Ministry of Defense views the Qassams as "more a psychological than physical threat.
The Qassam is designed to fly over the barrier and strike Israeli targets outside the strip.
Qassam rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

shrike · May 19, 2007, 04:52 pm

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The World's Largest Prison Camp
Last week, the Israeli cabinet has decided that it would maintain troops on the border between Gaza and Egypt for the foreseeable future - along the so-called Philadelphia corridor. It was from a watchtower on this border that peace activist Tom Hurndall was shot in 2003. The same cabinet meeting also decided that Israel must continue to control who enters and exits Gaza through Egypt and proposed a new border crossing at Kerem Shalom where Israel, Gaza and Egypt meet. This busy cabinet meeting also decided that it would allow Gaza to have three miles of territorial waters - after that Israel would control the sea. It had already been decided that Israel will continue to control Gaza's airspace

It was not in the link you posted. Please post a source next time.
As far as I know there are no soldiers in Philadelphia corridor. You probably again post old news.

May 18, 2007, 03:46 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Maybe ending the occupation of Palestinian lands would speak louder than words... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 18, 2007, 04:50 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
rez technê Posts: 2,459	I have been reading about the whole Isreal Middle east conflict and I am not quite sure if I am learning from bias sources. Sounds to me that the Arabs did not like the Jews immigrating in the middle East much like some Americans do not like Mexicans immigrating in America. Why can't Arabs and Jews live together if both are there to worship their "magical" and "holy" lands? It is really hard to debate this subject when both sides of this conflict are dillusional and wraped up in their own magical thinking. See what happens when people try to make their hocas pocas a reality? I'm the thought that never crossed my mind.

May 19, 2007, 04:03 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	The occupation of Gaza did not end, my friend. Israel removed her illegal settlements from that area. The occupation continues... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 19, 2007, 04:29 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Any tanks in Gaza today? If no...will there be tomorrow? QED "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 18, 2007, 03:53 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,124	jose and what concessions are you prepared to make to enable those lands taken by force to be compensated. Why should the EU be interested? Do you want to gain membership?

May 18, 2007, 04:26 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
shrike Volcanic Erupter Location: Israel Posts: 2,678	Jоse what do you want to debate here?

May 19, 2007, 04:51 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,514	The Israeli Ministry of Defense views the Qassams as "more a psychological than physical threat. The Qassam is designed to fly over the barrier and strike Israeli targets outside the strip. Qassam rocket - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia