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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589 | Army Officer Accuses Generals of 'Intellectual and Moral Failures' In the thread "Reid: Someone Tell Bush the War in Iraq is Lost" the question was raised as to whether Reid's truth-telling was damaging to our troops in the field. Now an active duty officer is suggesting as much and more. Army Officer Accuses Generals of 'Intellectual and Moral Failures' Quote:
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794 | I have to think the War College and the military academies share the blame. They didn't learn from the example of jungle warfare and kept training officers to lead units in conventional warfare as though we were still fighting WWII. I'm glad to see someone have enough courage of their convictions to speak up and start the debate going. The military, and its civilian leadership, has lost their way. They have no strategy, no realistic goal and are fighting an enemy they've never been trained to deal with. The real sadness of the situation is how many young people are losing their lives over failed policies and the inability of the military to adapt to the 21st century. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589 | I agree. There is a lot of blame to go around. Part of the problem was clear before the war. Those generals who stood up to speak honestly were shown the door. Obviously in a republic the military should take orders from the civilian government. This doesn't mean however that the senior staff should have devolved into yes-men and lackeys. This was disastrous before the war and equally bad during the occupation when the generals kept reporting "steady progress" as conditions on the ground were slipping into chaos. The other issue of preparing to fight the last war is an old problem dating back to at least Agincourt. Of course, the greatest problem is that we had no business starting this horrific war in the first place. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 438 | There is a lot of blame to go around, but I don't think a Lt. Colonel is a good judge of the overall state of the war. He certainly can speak for his unit, but I don't think he speaks for the entire Army. If that's actually his real name, he is in a heap of trouble. The Military does not take these reports lightly. I do not think the military has lost it's way. This war is no longer being conducted by military strategy alone. The one thing civilian leaders don't want to their hands is casualties. Military leaders wanted a huge force to go into Iraq, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld wanted a very very small mobile force. If the military had their way we would be storming Iraq with troops to secure the country at the cost of casualty and liberty. Supposedly it's our civilian leadership that's supposed to bring some of the political control to the military to ensure that its all not turned into a bloodbath. -Chris "I guess we are the people our parents warned us about." |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794 | Quote:
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | Interesting. A day doesn`t go by that more sheeet like this from the war doesn`t get me to lose more faith in the U.S. ------------------------------------------------- Side note observation: Why haven`t all the relativists here at Volconvo come on this thread yet and take issue with the title of the thread and story, obfuscating what is "moral" and the whole point of the news. After all if we don`t know what moral is or have a common agreement on it, they should suggest we dismiss the whole report. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | I think this man is daring the President and his loyal staff to say or imply he is "un-American", "non-patriotic" or "aiding the enemy". Maybe then it would clearly show the sheeple what is wrong, and who is really supporting the troops. (no one in Washington, and few in the consumer, since they sit and watch it happen on the news from their lounge chair as opposed to outside the white house in protest) Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 438 | Would you like the military to posts it's strategic plans on their website? How about a nice real time map where all the troops currently are. The Military has answered questions about their over all plans over and over again. You can't blame the military for you not hearing them. You can blame the mass media that only covers 5 minutes of the press conferences. Let me draw a little analogy here. I work for the cruise services on the weekends here. The lines are usually very very long. We were literally in a tent last year on the docks. Carnival is infamous for telling everyone to show up at the same time, and they do. 3000 people. As I direct the crowds I take complaints and questions. The number one complaint is about the length of the lines. So fast forward a year, brand new terminal. Air Conditioned, plenty of room and very short lines compared to last year. And what is the number one complaint, long lines. So no matter what they tell you about this war, you are going to keep saying the same things. The fact of the matter is that no result short of the one you want will satisfy you. The problem is not disinformation, or lack of information, it's lack of your desired result. Whether that be an impeached president, a glass bottom middle east, or a democratic controlled war. -Chris "I guess we are the people our parents warned us about." |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589 | You do go on Slevin. The military has no need to post its strategies on a web site. They display their strategies in the field for all to see. So it has been throughout history. The strategies used in the occupation of Iraq have been obvious and dismal failures by any standards. Lt. Col. Yingling has shown the courage and integrity to discuss these strategic failures where others have stood by silent as the tragedy has progressed. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794 | Personally I don't care what it takes to develop a coherent and do-able plan to get us out of Iraq and let the citizens of that country control their own future, and put an end to news stories like this: Quote:
The current strategy is working? This is American strategy at its best? We are not just failing our troops, we're failing the citizens of Iraq. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) | |
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![]() BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320 | Quote:
Do you really think the Generals are running this war? I thought that one of their major contentions was that this administration was made up off all civilians with no military record, and that Rumsnamara was clueless. | |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,794 | Quote:
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | Quote:
What our military leaders don`t know much about is how to make their military work in a way that does not alienate a populace when they are battling an insurgent group that blends in with the populace. I don`t even know if that kind of war is winnable. Lots of catch 22 situations there that leads to foot soldiers being indecisive at times when a split second decision is important. And a lot of those decisions that are gun battles are often watched by those in the neighborhood -- not like in desert warfare where only the combatants are exposed to the gruesome realities. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,589 | Quote:
By invading with too few troops to stabilize the country the military left huge arms depots unguarded for months, providing the then nascent insurgency with all the arms and ammunition they would need. At the same time the civilian administration under Emir Bremer decided to disband the Iraqi army and police forces, setting literally an army of trained fighters free to fight against the occupiers. Yingling's article focuses strictly on the military, but the entire occupation, military and civilian, has been an unmitigated disaster demonstrating mind-boggling incompetence from top to bottom Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis | |
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