Musical Chairs, Dem style

[dilligras]

The Democrat version of musical chairs = trying to guess when public opinion has swung far enough away from support for the troops and their mission in Iraq to be able to declare defeat and call for immediate mass exodus, as part of the lefty Vietnam redux.....the winner gets to declare credit for having "ended the war".

With the level of radicalism and fanaticism being demonstrated by the left today, one has little difficulty imagining them hoping for successes on the part of Al-Qaeda, so long as Pres. Bush is in office and may be blamed for them. Indeed, it takes no stretch of the imagination at all to envision them using their control of the media to assist the enemy by spreading those opinions and viewpoints most helpful to them at every opportunity.

Such as using photoshopped pictures to portray our troops and their actions in the most negative light possible.

Such as using phoney video, furnished by known enemy agents, to convict our troops of war crimes and atrocities -- in order to better undermine public support for those troops and their mission.

Such as declaring our troops to be mercenaries.

Such as speculating that the mission is hopeless, due to the very nature of the enemy, or our allies, or the Iraqis, or their tribal system, or their religious diversity, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

Such as postulating that since we haven't found quite enough WMD's to satisfy a bottomless pit, that they never existed, (despite Saddam's own general declaring that they were shipped to Syria in Dec '02.....you know, during the EIGHT MONTH WARNING we gave him?) and that therefore "Bush Lied" to us, making the mission -- and by association, the troops -- illegal and wrong.

Such as leaking intelligence operations and methods to the enemy.

Such as repeating every claim made by the enemy, publishing every letter and broadcasting every video or audio furnished by the enemy to our people, making sure that those who would normally not be exposed to their lies and propaganda are given full access.

Such as mostly quoting only those opinions that concur with their negative viewpoint and perspective.

Such as making sure that our troops' supporters are given every reason to bemoan their mission, by gleefully reporting every aspect of every death of our soldiers while simultaneously downplaying or even neglecting to report the far greater losses of Al-Qaeda.

Such as neglecting entirely any region in Iraq or Afghanistan where there is no violence..........who wants to see stories about such people having normal lives, when 200 miles away is a bunch of burning, blown up stuff to videotape. They only wish they could tape the smell for us, too.

So the music starts again, and there is only one chair for all the Democrat presidential hopefuls..........who will be the one to guess correctly when the music will stop, in order to be nearest to the chair that represents credit for ending, "Bush's War?"

To find out, tune in next week, kids, same Bat-time, same Bat-channel.

[Apeman81]

It will be interesting to see the responses to this thread.

[Zeebadee]

LOL, you're slipping. Any bushbot worth his salt would have managed to somehow include a few references to 9/11 into his rant.

[dilligras]

Quote by: Zeebadee LOL, you're slipping. Any bushbot worth his salt would have managed to somehow include a few references to 9/11 into his rant.

One.......

[RickSp]

Quote by: Apeman81 It will be interesting to see the responses to this thread.

Yawn. Does it really warrant response? You war mongers are so deeply in denial you put out this sort of garbage. Photoshopped images and phony video. Idiocy writ large. Everyone who doesn't support your mad-King is traitor. Yadda, yadda yadda.

Heard it all before. Gets really boring. Might be amusing if good Americans weren't dying for Bush's lies.

[grandpa]

Saddam did have WMD's, generously provided to him by other countries (including the US).

However, what wasn't used against Kurds (and presumably others) ended up in storage in UN facilities.

Grandpa h.

[brien]

Most every politician in this country with regard to the war is merely rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. The Repugs can't possibly chart a reasonable "victory" in the Iraq war and most Dems don't have the courage to vote against funding the war. It seems as though Democrats like Sen Reid merely look at it in terms of political gains when he said Sen Schumer was advising they would "pick up seats in the Senate" over the war, and the Repugs are simply in a state of denial.

[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp Yawn. Does it really warrant response? You war mongers are so deeply in denial you put out this sort of garbage. Photoshopped images and phony video. Idiocy writ large. Everyone who doesn't support your mad-King is traitor. Yadda, yadda yadda. Heard it all before. Gets really boring. Might be amusing if good Americans weren't dying for Bush's lies.

Two........

Quote by: grandpa However, what wasn't used against Kurds (and presumably others) ended up in storage in UN facilities. Grandpa h.

I don't think you can prove that. Especially since General Sada wrote otherwise in his recent book, "Sadam's Secrets"

Quote by: brien Most every politician in this country with regard to the war is merely rearranging the chairs on the Titanic. The Repugs can't possibly chart a reasonable "victory" in the Iraq war and most Dems don't have the courage to vote against funding the war.

Wrong on both counts......assuming that there IS such a thing as a "reasonable victory" in the WoT, I doubt seriously that you have the background to accurately assess the proper way to proceed, making any critique by you rather pointless, compared to the analysis of Gen. Petraeus, a renowned expert on counter-insurgency, who will be briefing Bush and Congress (Reid says he won't listen) as to the current situation.

It seems as though Democrats like Sen Reid merely look at it in terms of political gains when he said Sen Schumer was advising they would "pick up seats in the Senate" over the war.....

Exactly my point, all along.

and the Repugs are simply in a state of denial.

If one denies that which is based in spin and political agenda, how exactly does that place them in a "state of denial"?

If I said you were lying about not having had sex with the neighbor's dog, would you fear refutation of the charge, lest you be labelled with your own tag of "denial?"


A most clever trap, but perhaps you are used to arguing with the sort of dumbasses that stumble over it, n'est pas?.


As you were.

[Zeebadee]

heh, heh, guess the baiting isn't going so good??

[RickSp]

Quote by: dilligras I don't think you can prove that. Especially since General Sada wrote otherwise in his recent book,

Just more foolishness. You still obsess over the very real WMD that Saddam destroyed after the first Gulf War, as documented by the UN inspectors and indeed confirmed by the absence of WMD stockpiles after the US invasion. And the CIA says there is no evidence they were moved. Under any circumstances they were zero threat to the US.

But you still believe the fairy tales. Embarrassing really.

But as you were dilly. Every village needs your services.

[grandpa]

Quote by: dilligras I don't think you can prove that. .

You are right that I cannot prove that alone. That's why the inspectors can be cited, or even the Bush Administration itself, which itself even softened its stance on WMD claims.

Grandpa h.

[Slevin57]

Well I consider myself a moderate conservative.

I don't believe anyone would willingly put our troops in harms way. I don't think the Democrats are intentionally trying to take credit for ending the war, they are just doing a little grand standing to try to show the American public they do indeed have cajones.

Unfortunately for anyone with a 5th grade education, you know that the president can veto any attempt by congress to end the war.

They authorized it's start after all. It's like stopping a train, you can't just press a button.

They do not have the support in congress to override a veto, they need to leave it there and focus on things they can make a difference on.

I have heard time and time again about how the democratic party will change America. I'm still waiting.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Slevin57 Well I consider myself a moderate conservative. I don't believe anyone would willingly put our troops in harms way.

I do. Citizens are expendable to governments.

Grandpa h.

[Slevin57]

Well then we should probably put more protesters to death don't you think?

Or how about a few reporters who give negative reports about Bush?

We have free press, free speech, and a volunteer armed services. I wouldn't sell us short just yet.

[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp Just more foolishness. You still obsess over the very real WMD that Saddam destroyed after the first Gulf War, as documented by the UN inspectors and indeed confirmed by the absence of WMD stockpiles after the US invasion. And the CIA says there is no evidence they were moved. Under any circumstances they were zero threat to the US. But you still believe the fairy tales. Embarrassing really. But as you were dilly. Every village needs your services.

Three......

Quote by: grandpa You are right that I cannot prove that alone. That's why the inspectors can be cited, or even the Bush Administration itself, which itself even softened its stance on WMD claims. Grandpa h.

Put your citation where your mouth is, then, mon ami.......you say you have proof that there were no WMD's in Iraq when Saddam's General says there were, then produce it or forget using the claim in this argument.

Jeez.......next you'll be trying to convince me that Scooter Libby is in prison because Karl Rove wanted revenge on Joe Wilson for telling the Senate Inelligence Committee that Saddam tried to get yellowcake in Africa. We know it couldn't have been payback for saying the opposite (lying to fit the Clinton/Dem agenda) in his WSJ article, because that wouldn't have been payback, it would have been justice for both he and his insider-manipulating wife, who had already been "outed" at every cocktail party in DC for years, thanks to her own limelight-hungry spouse.

Quote by: Slevin57 Well I consider myself a moderate conservative.

LOL! OK, and I'm Tinker Bell and I need you to clap for me, 'cause I'm dyin' here....

I don't believe anyone would willingly put our troops in harms way. I don't think the Democrats are intentionally trying to take credit for ending the war, they are just doing a little grand standing to try to show the American public they do indeed have cajones.

Belief is what you base religion on, not foreign policy or battle strategies. Perhaps you either have not read the Constitutional definition of treason, or didn't grasp its meaning........"a little grandstanding" may absolutely qualify, if certain criteria are met........and they have been. Take care, lest you flirt with those criteria yourself, my moderate conservative friend.

As for cajones, I think you may have them confused with gall stones.

Unfortunately for anyone with a 5th grade education, you know that the president can veto any attempt by congress to end the war.

Well, all I can say to that is that it must have been well past the Vietnam war when you were in the 5th grade, because that is exactly how our participation there was prematurely stopped, with men in harm's way, as well.

They authorized it's start after all. It's like stopping a train, you can't just press a button.

As if their participation in the start of the conflict will prevent them from EVER screwing things up for partisan political reasons. :rolleyes:

They do not have the support in congress to override a veto, they need to leave it there and focus on things they can make a difference on.

Veto, schmeeto, all they have to do is deny funding. Go back to 5th grade, because the Executive cannot veto anything until it gets to his desk, including the military budget.

I have heard time and time again about how the democratic party will change America. I'm still waiting.

Go back to sleep.

Quote by: grandpa I do. Citizens are expendable to governments. Grandpa h.

Yes........and governments are necessary to citizens. So what? You find that profound, do you?

Quote by: Slevin57 Well then we should probably put more protesters to death don't you think?

Only if it can be done publicly, so that the journalists get the message, and only if they are rioting or suborning treason.

Or how about a few reporters who give negative reports about Bush?

Noooooo. But if they're giving aid and comfort to the enemy (and they are), absolutely........hang 'em from the damn streetlamp outside their office.

We have free press, free speech, and a volunteer armed services. I wouldn't sell us short just yet.

It sounds like you haven't the faintest clue what those freedoms entail, or how they were won and are maintained, nor the responsibilities that come with your citizenship. I know immigrants who know better than that crap.

Your freedom of speech is not without its limitations, otherwise you could use it to broadcast our military secrets to our enemies with impunity. Clearly, that was not the intention of the founding fathers, nor is it the law of the land. Therefore, our press has operated illegally in many instances over the last six years of the War on Terror, and has much for which to answer.

It is well known by anyone faintly familiar with the history of the last half century, that the Allied press was severely limited in its reporting in both world wars, often times censoring themselves, rather than publish potentially damaging photographs, films, reports, troop movements, etc, etc.

Sadly, our enemy seemingly has control of our media in modern conflicts, or at least those more sympathetic to their cause than our own.

Wake up and smell the coffee, pardner.



As you were.

[dilligras]

Obstructionist Democrats
by Rep. Duncan Hunter
04/24/2007

Senator Reid’s comments must have been a surprise to some. Consider, for example what effect they might have on an Al-Qaeda leader in Anbar Province. As he sits in his safe house outside Fallujah, the bad news has been coming in. His assassinations of Sunni Tribal leaders have turned the region against him. Sunnis are joining the Iraqi Army in Anbar Province in unprecedented numbers. The Sunni led national police force is working with the Shiite led Army and the U.S. Marine Corps to push back against Al-Qaeda. The terrorist leader is interrupted from his “bad news” briefings by ecstatic aides. “Senator Reid has surrendered,” they shriek. “He says the U.S. has lost the war.” The Al-Qaeda leader asks the aides if they are joking, and, assured they are not, turns to the task of redoubling his efforts. This statement can only have the effect of encouraging the enemy in Iraq.

'Nuff said?

[grandpa]

WASHINGTON - In his final word, the CIA’s top weapons inspector in Iraq said Monday that the hunt for weapons of mass destruction has “gone as far as feasible” and has found nothing, closing an investigation into the purported programs of Saddam Hussein that were used to justify the 2003 invasion.

CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

USATODAY.com - Final report: Iraq had no WMDs
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Report concludes no WMD in Iraq

Yes........and governments are necessary to citizens. So what?

How is government-sanctioned death and destruction necessary to citizens? How does it play positively into my life, for example? I'd like to hear your theory on this.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: dilligras 'Nuff said?

Far from it. There is no reason to believe terrorist groups would be strengthened if the US no longer dropped bombs on the Middle East.

The US keeps expanding and attacking countries and we're supposed to be utterly amazed when some people--whether we agree with them or not--return attacks.

Well, I'm not surprised.

Grandpa h.

[Zeebadee]

You guys are responding to a troll that merely wants some attention. I doubt if even he believes the lies he uses to draw responses to his ridiculous posts. Everything he says has already been refuted numerous times, yet he just keeps on repeating the same tired old lies. This troll feeds on the attention he draws with his nonsensical BS.

[dilligras]

Quote by: grandpa CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com USATODAY.com - Final report: Iraq had no WMDs BBC NEWS | Middle East | Report concludes no WMD in Iraq

Lemmeseenow, you say there were no WMD's when we started using that as a reason to challenge Saddam's regime, proving that "Bush Lied"........I then state that Saddam removed the WMD's to Syria in the winter of '02, while Dem appeasers were whining about UN inspections and other nonsense.

You then post a link proving that we found no WMD's in Iraq, (not true) between '03 and now.

Do you not see a problem with your logic? WHY should we expect to find all the stockpiles if they were sent to Syria just before we invaded, rather than let us catch him with them??? You make no sense, mon frere.

Perhaps the more important question is why did Saddam risk the invasion rather than come clean about what he did with them? After all, we gave him numerous chances to do so, and yet he ignored our entreaties as though he were still dealing with a dickless nimrod like Clinton. Too bad.......we could have had peace, with just a very little more co-operation. But then, to expect otherwise would be ignorant, given his behavior toward us during the previous ten years, declaring war on the US after Clinton's Operation Desert Fox, and all.

But I'm sure you know all about that, being the authority on the middle east that you are.

How is government-sanctioned death and destruction necessary to citizens? How does it play positively into my life, for example? I'd like to hear your theory on this. Grandpa h.

Nice try, but ring up a no sale......you cannot misquote me and then expect me to reply to your fallaciously based question.

Baaaad dog.


As you were.