LP Canidate voted in, making ballot in 49 states..

[Osborn F Enready]

Michael Badnarik, have you heard of him yet? After Aaron Russo won the first two party elections, Badnarik won the final election putting him over the 405 vote mandatory for party nomination.

I have been an avid, outspoken supporter (in this upcoming election) of the Libertarian Party, especially Aaron Russo. All in all though I think Badnarik won over most of the crowd with his impressive presentation, and knowledge of the Constitution. I believed in Russo, and he brought many to the LP for the first time, and I plan to now after seeing his presentation and official stances on the "Real Issues" to support Badnarik just as much if not more.

To my knowledge, this is the first time a Libertarian canidate has ever made the ballot in 49 states of the union, this is a momentous occasion for all those who claim liberty as our most sacred ideal. Badnarik has run a shoestring budget campaign over 25,000 miles in his seeking party nomination, and has made it through a very tough party campaign. He spent over 20 years studying the Constitution, desperately trying to explain what he had overlooked when seeing no correlation between our modern government, and the one that the system provided for. Finally he realized he had missed nothing, there was no loophole, this government no longer represents the people, the Constitution has been subverted, and he has made his goal to retrace the footsteps the forefathers have set to a more perfect union, and restoration of the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the Land.

I beg all people to check out this man, see his issues, and compare him to the major party canidates. The link below is a wonderful site for FACTS about canidates and platforms from their own mouths. Review the facts, make these people accountable, and lets debate the facts concerning the upcoming election.

http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=MTX77838

I am going to contribute to this man, even on my meager budget and I sincerely hope any that agree with him, support him. He is a common man, he understands the value of the dollar, and he may be the first REAL presidential material I have seen in a long time.

Lets debate....

[Osborn F Enready]

Sorry I should have also included these links above.

Libertarian Party homepage;
http://www.lp.org/

LP Ballot Access Plan;
http://www.lp.org/organization/files/Ballo...tAccess2004.pdf

Libertarians stage convention without welfare check
http://www.lp.org/press/archive.php?functi...view&record=659

Libertarians to Select Presidential Ticket
Three Candidates Actively Seeking Nomination
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/parties/lp...lpconv0504.html

[Catch 22]

um osborn your friend here seems to have worked for Northrop Grumman which is a weapons manufacturer. Not exactly good for a guy who wants to take government subsidies out of the economy. Moreover he's worked for pacific gas isn't that one of the energy companies that participated in the California price gouging scheme?

[Osborn F Enready]

Did you read his stand on the issues? Have you read or witnessed any of his speeches, pledges of accountability? You are pointing out what a man did to earn a living, while earning an education and devoting personal time to study of the government. Wouldn't you think a man who was inside the animal could see the workings? If I were to judge Bush, Kerry or any other past canidate on the simple fact of their prior jobs, we wouldn't have had many presidents would we?

Lets debate the issues, not the trivia.

[Milton Bradley]

Its clear from his message that he intends to restore constitutional government.


That is the single most important issue of our time.


Any actions he might take after that will be hard fought aggainst great opposition, and would have to be constitutional.


I'm finding it hard to argue with anything I've heard him say.

[Catch 22]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, Did you read his stand on the issues? Have you read or witnessed any of his speeches, pledges of accountability? You are pointing out what a man did to earn a living, while earning an education and devoting personal time to study of the government. Wouldn't you think a man who was inside the animal could see the workings? If I were to judge Bush, Kerry or any other past canidate on the simple fact of their prior jobs, we wouldn't have had many presidents would we? Lets debate the issues, not the trivia.

jeez man just pointing something out that seemed fishy you don't have to snap. I think it's great that you have an lp candidate the more choice the better.

[dotcoma]

Northrop Grumman which is a weapons manufacturer

Good. The man has experience. Maybe he can make the market behave itself.

[Suburbanite]

Wow, Libertarians get really defensive.

[dotcoma]

And Reps and Dems don't?

[Suburbanite]

Down boy!

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Milton Bradley, Its clear from his message that he intends to restore constitutional government. That is the single most important issue of our time. Any actions he might take after that will be hard fought aggainst great opposition, and would have to be constitutional. I'm finding it hard to argue with anything I've heard him say.

Personally, I have supported the last 2 LP candidates and I couldn't argue with much every time. The problem is teaching the sheeple this is NOT a 2 party system, exclusive of others. It's accepted as a 2 party system because the 2 parties which run the show already don't like to share and they have taken every imaginable step to undermine any credible opposition.

I can't wait to hear the reasons why he isn't allowed on any debates this year.

[Suburbanite]

Because there is no demand great enough for him, that is why. Libertarians do a horrible job at getting their message out there, even their Free State Project has drawn little attention.

[dotcoma]

Definitly blame the libertarian party and not the republicrat owned-media for that one....

[Osborn F Enready]

Yea, take Pennsylvania for example.

Rep or Democrats used to require 2,000 signatures to get on the ballot, while ANY 3rd party canidate required 25,000 BEFORE the DEBATE!

Real fair..... real representative.... ACK.

The reason this convention was so poorly covered is the fault of the media. C-Span was covering this one (which I think ALL LP members and supporters totally appreciated) and I for one sat through all 7 hours of coverage on the Sunday coverage, and loved it. You watch the Republican/Democratic Debate though and it is ALL the major AND minor networks tripping over each other to get a shot with one of their 5 cameras. The LP Debate, people converse, people talk to the canidates and ask REAL questions, not only pre-approved questions.

Check out Open Debates, and their FEC filings.
http://www.opendebates.net/news/

[donkrabbit]

I'm a registered Libertarian, and I voted for Badnarik in the primaries, but I have to admit that I'm not a huge fan of the LP. Even though Badnarik is the most worthy Presidential canidate, I will not vote for him in the election. I don't have enough of an incentive to throw my vote away on him. I'd rather vote for the least evil of the two canidates who have a chance at actually winning, so as to nudge the nation in the direction of more liberty as opposed to less liberty.

I hardly think it's the case that the Libertarian Party is to blame for it's lack of large-scale support. Anybody who thinks that modern American voters get down to detail and research the issues before voting is fooling themself. It is clear that American voters really don't care about the issues anymore. They care about the personality, image, etc. of the canidate they are voting for. Just turn on your television and see for yourself. Why is it that anything associated with a campaign looks more like a sporting event than an intellectual debate? When is the last time you've seen graphs, charts, or any type of statistic in a canidate's advertisement? Instead you see attempts to boost the canidate's image. Honestly, I couldn't care less what Kerry did while he was in Vietnam. I want to know specifically how his policies are going to affect the nation if he becomes President. Look at the canidate's websites and see how vague their "Issues" sections are. Since Bush and Kerry have such similar platforms (which both include expanding government, in one form or another), why don't we see any fine-picking on the issues which they disagree on? Do you ever really expect to see Bush and Kerry on television debating (with facts and statistics) over whether or not outsourcing has an overall positive or negative affect on Americans? I don't.

[Osborn F Enready]

That is exactly what the Establishment wants everyone to think, that Americans don't care. THEY DO, they just are not apt to stumble across a Libertarian TV program, or a Libertarian ANYTHING on television. That is because one of the MAIN priorities is to REMOVE all unconstitutional agencies, the FCC would fall in that clause.

The airwaves were a gift to the people, that is now manipulated by the few, for the profit of the fewer. This is because of government regulation in the wrong areas, and none in the right areas. They are squeezing the concept of "privatization" out of existence, and adopting the (PC) ideals of the nanny-state concept which caters to laziness, welfare, and government dependence.

To quote Badnarik from an e-mail interview;

11. What would you do on your first day in office?


a) Declare that all four national emergencies are immediately terminated, as well as the presumption of Emergency War Powers. Senate Report 93-549 has found that the "national emergencies" announced by FDR in 1933 because of the Great Depression, by Truman because of the Korean War, and two initiated by Nixon because of the Vietnam War, are still in effect today. (Skeptical readers can search the internet for this report and read it for themselves.)

b) Declare that all 20,000+ gun control laws in the United States are unconstitutional and unenforceable. I would also issue a valid executive order to the BATF and other pseudo police agencies informing them that any agent who confiscates a weapon of any kind, from someone who is not currently engaged in a murder or robbery, will not only be terminated from their position, but they will also be prosecuted for violating the unalienable rights of the citizens they have sworn to protect.

c) Issue another valid executive order to my subordinates executives working for the IRS. That order would instruct them to come to work, make a pot of coffee, and begin working on their resumes' pending a federal grand jury investigation as to the legitimacy of the Sixteenth Amendment and the Internal Revenue Code. High ranking officials from that department would be closely monitored as flight risks, pending indictments for fraud in the event that evidence proves that they knew that no statute exists that requires Americans to fill out a 1040 form and relinquish a significant percentage of their hard earned money to an unconstitutional government that refuses to operate within a budget.

d) Declare the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 to be unconstitutional, and prohibit that organization from printing even one more dollar of fiat currency. I would immediate appoint Bernard Von Nothaus, Monetary Architect for the Liberty Dollar, to be my Secretary of the Treasury, placing the stability of our economy in his capable hands.

e) I would announce a special one-week session of Congress where all 535 members would be required to sit through a special version of my Constitution class. Once I was convinced that every member of Congress understood my interpretation of their very limited powers, I would insist that they restate their oath of office while being videotaped. Those videos could then be used as future evidence should they ever vote to violate the rights of Americans again.

f) I would take a short break for lunch.


Read the entire interview here;
http://www.badnarik.org/issues/lneilsmith.html

[Leopard]

donkrabbit,
Why do you contradict yourself in the same post?
First you state that you will not throw your vote away by voting for the candidate who most closely represents your views (a point which we can delve into further as I believe that it is pure stupidity to follow the lines of 'throwing ones vote away')
Then, you proceed to describe your other choices saying how they are both virtually the same (expanding government, stripping away rights, etc) and their political planks are too vague. If you really feel this way then use your vote to define who is closest to your view (I gather the lib candidate). Do you always vote for only the 'possible' winners , not for what you believe is right and moral? How can the libertarian party EVER be considered remotely viable if even libertarians don't vote for them? Unless the lib party somehow is able to garner about 20% of the vote, it will not be taken seriously... ever.

Do you believe in your principles of 'no force or fraud'? Then at least vote them! Do you believe that it is wrong for the US to be galavanting around the world , paid for by coerced tax funds and committing atrocities in our name? Then vote your principles!

The whole 'throw away vote' thing and 'nader is a spoiler' (or any third party candidate) is ridiculous and following that line of thought with voting action only propogates the current two-party (some would say one-party) system.

Libs don't let libs vote against their principles. Just say NO to the major parties. This is the country your children will inherit, don't propogate the problem!

michael

[Kyran]

Osborn, regardless of how utterly flawed in logic my argument is going to be I have to speak my mind on this.

Based on items C, D & E I can tell that this person is not fit to be President of the United States of America. He comes across sounding like a lunatic. Regular people on the street are not gonna "wake up" to the truth any time soon buddy. Get used to that fact. They are going to perceive this guy as a nutcase who has wild ideas about how to run our country.

Item D is a bad idea: wrecking America. Look man, there is a proper way to solve this problem. What happens if the United States suddenly prohibits the FRB from printing money? Simple. Our fiat dollar's value on the world market drops to nothing and we suffer economic collapse. Now that you understand, are you sure you want this to happen?

I'm sorry but you've got to put yourself in a politician's shoes for one minute. They know all about the FRB and IRS scams and do nothing about them. Why? Because they don't have the power to change us back to gold and silver. And I'm telling you if Badnarik won the presidential election, the same friggin thing would happen to him that happens to everyone who goes to the magical kingdom of Washington-Land. "Hi, we're The Feds and we're in control. If you try to shut us down, your economy will crumble. You may do X, Y, and Z. Now go do your job and say nothing. We will be watching."

The idea that you can use the power of voting to fix America is so utterly wrong it's gotta be a logical fallacy. Too many Americans are going to vote in Democrats and Republicans forever. That's why Ron Paul is a Republican =). When you get done playing the enemy's game with them please let me know.

And good luck with the FSP. If you don't swap currencies in the state you live in, nothing will change. County government departments are required by state law. State government departments are required by federal law.

"A friend correcteth a friend."

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, Yea, take Pennsylvania for example. Rep or Democrats used to require 2,000 signatures to get on the ballot, while ANY 3rd party canidate required 25,000 BEFORE the DEBATE! Real fair..... real representative.... ACK.]

I understand it is the same in Colorado. I think that due to the fact the L.P. has an actual party platform (remember platforms?) they represent a threat to the Republicrats and therefore are the target of blatant rigging of the electoral process in every way the Dons in D.C. can.

The reason this convention was so poorly covered is the fault of the media. C-Span was covering this one (which I think ALL LP members and supporters totally appreciated) and I for one sat through all 7 hours of coverage on the Sunday coverage, and loved it. You watch the Republican/Democratic Debate though and it is ALL the major AND minor networks tripping over each other to get a shot with one of their 5 cameras. The LP Debate, people converse, people talk to the canidates and ask REAL questions, not only pre-approved questions. Check out Open Debates, and their FEC filings. http://www.opendebates.net/news/

C-SPAN has always covered the cons and several speeches by the candidates. But we know how many people actually KNOW what channels the 2 C-SPANs are on, much less watch anything on them. OTOH, all Bush has to do is fart and he gets on the 6:00 news. Truth and good government gets relegated to a seldom watched channel while the powers that be get all the free national airtime they want.

[donkrabbit]

Originally posted by Osborn F Enready, That is exactly what the Establishment wants everyone to think, that Americans don't care. THEY DO, they just are not apt to stumble across a Libertarian TV program, or a Libertarian ANYTHING on television.

And why do you think this is the case? If there is no coverage of the libertarian movement in mainstream media, I see this as being proof that the mainstream media does not feel that it can profit off of covering such issues because there is not enough demand for them. If it were true that Americans were largely demanding these things then the media corporations (assuming their goal is to maxamize profit, which it should be) would have large incentive to cover them. In a competitive market, they wouldn't let something that is highly demanded go ignored.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that Americans don't care about anything. I think Americans do care about politics. However, I think they care more about the people than the issues in which they're supporting.