Pat Tillman killed by Americans

[dilligras]

I addressed that by editing my previous post while you were answering its first iteration.

Go back and read it again for the answer to your pitiful assertions.

[Zeebadee]

Hmmmm, it seems that the bushbots are becoming ever more shrill and vituperative as the war goes from bad to worse. It appears to be working from the top down, the administration is has already had some of it's primary supporters desert the sinking ship and turn on the king. Now it seems that even ordinary citizens are feeling cornered and compelled to lash out as best they can. I suppose it will get worse before the inevitable end comes.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: dilligras timing such "discoveries" just before an election

You mean to tell me, we found out about a criminal act AFTER it happened?
SHOCKING!@!!!!11!111one!ELEVEN!!

[dilligras]

Quote by: ByaKya You mean to tell me, we found out about a criminal act AFTER it happened? SHOCKING!@!!!!11!111one!ELEVEN!!

Who's "we", have the Dems got a mouse in their pocket?

Yes, they knew about Foley three years before the election and held onto the info until the timing was perfect to screw Americans out of a fair election.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: dilligras Yes, they knew about Foley three years before the election and held onto the info until the timing was perfect to screw Americans out of a fair election.

Aahahaahahahahaahaahahahaa
Oh damn dude, good one
3 years ? Why not bring this up in 2004 then ? And win the presidency ? Derrr

[The Decider]

Quote by: dilligras Ooooo YES!!! Maybe the lefties can get Fitzgerald to foist upon the populace yet another phoney, trumped up charge of malfeasance, investigating their hated opposition to the tune of millions of taxpayer funds, while wantonly ignoring all exculpatory evidence, even a secret confession by Armitage, in order to drag out the "investigation" (and thus media coverage and the face-time so desperately sought by lefty career beaurocrats) long enough for its media circus to affect approval numbers in the polls. Easily manipulated by these machinations are we?

On a bipartisan congressional committee, the Republicans are entitled to subpoena and investigate too.

And they'll get their chance.

Quote by: dilligras Excuse me? Perhaps you would be well advised to keep up with current events, instead of hanging onto your commie pinko talking points until they are so outdated that their repitition serves only to make you look the fool.

Unfortunately there is no excuse for your Judith Miller moment. You mentioned her as if she represented the "liberal media." She was a Bush shill for the war and I thought it prudent to remind you of that fact as you trashed the NYT.

As. You. Were.

[dilligras]

Quote by: ByaKya Aahahaahahahahaahaahahahaa Oh damn dude, good one 3 years ? Why not bring this up in 2004 then ? And win the presidency ? Derrr

The truth IS a good one.

Foley wasn't running for President, as best I recall......he was a Republican in the House, and the only Republican running was Bush.

Do you really think that the typed words of Foley are agregious enough to attach themselves to Bush? Even after Democrats have been re-elected after being caught screwing underage pages?

Yeah, that's right, not chatting on the net. Bending them over the old taxpayer-funded furniture and having at them.

The words double standard ring a bell?


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[dilligras]

Quote by: The Decider Unfortunately there is no excuse for your Judith Miller moment. You mentioned her as if she represented the "liberal media." She was a Bush shill for the war and I thought it prudent to remind you of that fact as you trashed the NYT.

Sheesh, I already claimed mea culpa for my faulty memory. I remembered her being investigated, but it was just her phone records that were part of the search for the traitor. I mistakenly said she might be charged, when she is not even a suspect. I admitted the error and provided the link to the evidence.

Get over it.

Then get over yourself, because the NYT is a shill for Al-Queda, plain and simple. They are presently the most effective of their agents, acting as both the intelligence gathering and propaganda operatives of Al-Qaeda on American soil. The evidence abounds on their own pages.

As. You. Were.

Good one......that's right up there with, "I know you are, but what am I?"[/Pee Wee Herman]


Carry on.

[RickSp]

Quote by: dilligras Then get over yourself, because the NYT is a shill for Al-Queda, plain and simple. They are presently the most effective of their agents, acting as both the intelligence gathering and propaganda operatives of Al-Qaeda on American soil. The evidence abounds on their own pages.

LOL. You just keep getting funnier.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: dilligras Bending them over the old taxpayer-funded furniture and having at them. The words double standard ring a bell? .

Was the page at least female? thanks for playing

[The Decider]

Quote by: dilligras Sheesh, I already claimed mea culpa for my faulty memory. I remembered her being investigated, but it was just her phone records that were part of the search for the traitor. I mistakenly said she might be charged, when she is not even a suspect. I admitted the error and provided the link to the evidence. Get over it.

Mea culpa? More like Freudian slip. Judith Miller's reporting helped to sell the war. Apparently you are one of the dolt's fans.

Quote by: dilligras Then get over yourself, because the NYT is a shill for Al-Queda, plain and simple. They are presently the most effective of their agents, acting as both the intelligence gathering and propaganda operatives of Al-Qaeda on American soil. The evidence abounds on their own pages.

Yes, Judith Miller wrote many of those pages in support of this asinine president's policies. Al Qaeda really scored when they found Judith!

"Carry on."

[dilligras]

Quote by: ByaKya Was the page at least female? thanks for playing

Good question.

[RickSp]

Another 'Pat Tillman' Case Emerges

Over and over, the press -- and parents and spouses -- have been lied to about how young Americans in the military have died in Iraq. Now another case has surfaced, this one involving a soldier from Ohio, who (it turns out) died in a friendly fire incident -- shot in the back. The Associated Press had announced the death of the soldier back in March 2004, asserting that he had died "while heroically trying to stop an attack on an Army checkpoint." Of course, they are at the mercy of the military for any information. “Jesse Buryj, 21, of Canton, fired more than 400 rounds at a dump truck trying to crash the checkpoint near Karbala," AP related. "He shot the driver of the truck, which then crashed into the Humvee in which he was riding, an Army sergeant told his mother, Peggy Buryj, on Wednesday morning." The official U.S. casualty report said that Buryj had died of "a back injury" caused by "hostile enemy activity." Actually, the dump truck was filled with dirt or sand, not explosives, and was driven by civilians who had no weapons. Even after his mother learned of the shot in the back, the lies continued. Yesterday, Josh White in the Washington Post reported that U.S. Army officials destroyed critical evidence that could have determined who shot and killed Buryj, “one of several problems with the friendly-fire inquiry that may permanently shroud Buryj's death in mystery, according to an Army inspector general's review.” The inquiry, which produced a 47-page document recently delivered to the dead man’s parents, “found that criminal investigators destroyed bullet fragments, agents failed to collect ballistic evidence from weapons at the checkpoint, medical personnel made incorrect notations on Buryj's records and military officials knew his death was a friendly-fire case months before they officially notified his family,” White writes. “As a result, Buryj's family buried him believing he was killed when his vehicle was rammed by a dump truck. They did not learn that he was shot by friendly forces until nine months after his death, and a lack of physical evidence means it is nearly impossible to know what happened that night.” Back in January, Peggy Buryj told White: "If they can lie to Pat Tillman's family, what do you think they're going to do to Ma and Pop in Middle America here?"

[xyzer]

Rick..there you go again generalizing off one specitic to make your case? Are you not aware that that type of argument is illogical? It smacks of the leftist gibberish one hears/sees daily in the MSMedia as it weaves it's liberal spell on the gullible masses!
Another point which seems to escape you and other skeptics is that the battle scene is at best confused. Firefights whether conducted in daylight or night are guessing games and combatants fire at or in the direction of targets. Usually such firiong is done from a pron position trying to seek some protectiv covering. Precise aim is not common..ergo!!!accidental killings like this one happen! And they will happen!

[RickSp]

The issue, which you work so hard to ignore, is not whether firefights are confusing or whether fratricide happens, both statements are true, but rather why the Army seems so prone to lie about it, to cover it up and the destroy evidence.

It is your ranting about "leftist gibberish" and the "liberal spell on the gullible masses" that is illogical and wholly beside the point.

[Fonceai]

This is in no way a defense of RickSp, but I was trained to never, ever, EVER pull the trigger if there was a friendly that close to my line-of-sight to a target.

Hitting someone in the back means that they were either confused or so far away that they couldn't see anyway. While more details would be interesting, it has no real application to this other than the questionable fact that this is another example of the military lying.

Now that I mention it, what's really the point of this continuing for so long?

The military lied. Is there anything else to discuss, or is this just going to be another "I hate the military" thread?

[xyzer]

I wasn't aware the military lied? The press made that one up! The military investigated the incident and determined he probably died by friendly fire. I didn't read any reference to the fact he was killed by his comrades in the intial reporting? The original official reports had not been confirmed and denied and an investigation revealed the circumstances?..
As one who served I resent the insinuation that my comrades in arms lie..Intentionally try to deceive anyone! I resent the insinuation that anyone deliberately tries to kill his comrades in arms during a firefight. It is a nasty and insulting insinuation..

By the way...

Yesterday, Josh White in the Washington Post reported that U.S. Army officials destroyed critical evidence that could have determined who shot and killed Buryj, “one of several problems with the friendly-fire inquiry that may permanently shroud Buryjs death in mystery, according to an Army inspector general's review.”

How does Josh White know that army officials destroyed evidence? Was he there? Was he in on the investigatio?What crap that is? Why would anyone try to 'shroud' the death of one who served? another crass insinuation that those militray assigned to investigate would deliberately destroy evidence???? Wow! What a nasty insulting insinuation!

[ByaKya]

Quote by: xyzer How does Josh White know that army officials destroyed evidence? Was he there? Was he in on the investigatio?What crap that is? Why would anyone try to 'shroud' the death of one who served? another crass insinuation that those militray assigned to investigate would deliberately destroy evidence???? Wow! What a nasty insulting insinuation!

The inquiry, which produced a 47-page document recently delivered to the dead man’s parents, “found that criminal investigators destroyed bullet fragments, agents failed to collect ballistic evidence from weapons at the checkpoint, medical personnel made incorrect notations on Buryj's records and military officials knew his death was a friendly-fire case months before they officially notified his family,” White writes.

“As a result, Buryj's family buried him believing he was killed when his vehicle was rammed by a dump truck. They did not learn that he was shot by friendly forces until nine months after his death, and a lack of physical evidence means it is nearly impossible to know what happened that night.”

Back in January, Peggy Buryj told White: "If they can lie to Pat Tillman's family, what do you think they're going to do to Ma and Pop in Middle America here?"


She was lied to, what more do you want?

[xyzer]

ByaKya...

They did not learn that he was shot by friendly forces until nine months after his death, and a lack of physical evidence means it is nearly impossible to know what happened that night.”

You make my point! They didn't know? Do they know now? There was evidence he was killed in a collision, and their was a collision! What in the hell do you think people do on the battlefield? Open an investigation of each and every casualty that occurs when the bullets are flying? That's nonsense!
How do you or anybody know whether some bullet scraps killed him? Do you doubt the doctors or medical personnel acted on the facts they encountered on the scene? Are we supposed to have a formal investigation and draw conclusions on the battlefields...Not so! Is there supposed to be a press and political issue made of the circumstance surrounding any death and does it reall make a difference what the exact circumstnaces were?
These are scandalous insinuations and in fact indict the innocent without real factual evidence of anything.. It second hand fault finding in an investigation for scapegoats?.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: xyzer As one who served I resent the insinuation that my comrades in arms lie..

Unless you were an officer, I hardly call officers "comrades-in-arms".

And I know for a fact that they lie to cover things up. It's a knee jerk reaction to lie first, then tell the truth later.

Of course, the truth they tell has many omissions... partial truth.

Simple example...

Do you honestly think it took them 9 months for one of the men who shot Tillman to come forward and say, "Yes, I shot him."?

Bullshit.

They knew. They had to find a way to put a spin on it so it didn't look like stupidity on the part of his squad, which it was.