Pat Tillman killed by Americans

[RickSp]

So basically dill, cutting through all the blather, you think the press is to blame for everything, including losing the Vietnam war, and it is all right with you that the Pentagon lied about Pat Tillman's death for a full month after they learned that he died by fratricide. Is that about right?

[dilligras]

Why is it, I sometimes wonder, that those who really have nothing to say, enjoy spinning the words of others so much.

Looking for a job in the media, are we, rick?

Of course, you COULD claim that you were just paraphrasing, to see if you understood me correctly--because you wouldn't want to be mischaracterizing my position unfairly.

But given your obvious familiarity with the language, I seriously doubt many will buy into such self-serving twaddle as that, n'est pas?

[RickSp]

Boring Dilly, really boring. You dance around the issue and indeed the stuff on your boots keeps getting deeper, but that is about all. For the number of keystrokes you consume, you manage to say so little.

OK, let me phrase this as question. Simple and direct. Do you approve of the Pentagon covering up the fratricide for a month, effectively lying to the Tillman family and to politicians including John McCain about Pat Tillman's death? That is the is the point that you have so studiously been ignoring with your silly blaming of the press and spewing of childish aspersions.

[Fonceai]

Condescension aside, what the military did was wrong.

There is absolutely no way to justify any of the actions of the members of Tillman's convoy, his superiors, or the Department of Defense in general.

[dilligras]

Quote by: RickSp Boring Dilly, really boring. You dance around the issue and indeed the stuff on your boots keeps getting deeper, but that is about all. For the number of keystrokes you consume, you manage to say so little.

Well it won't take many keystrokes to address the non-ad hominem arguments in this paragraph, will it?

See? Done already.

OK, let me phrase this as a question. Simple and direct. Do you approve of the Pentagon covering up the fratricide for a month, effectively lying to the Tillman family and to politicians including John McCain about Pat Tillman's death? That is the is the point that you have so studiously been ignoring with your silly blaming of the press and spewing of childish aspersions.

Fine. I like questions.......except when they serve only as a thinly veiled disquise for lefty ideological nonsense.

Oops.

But if you wish I will answer your question, so long as you agree to answer one of mine first. "Quid pro quo, Clarice, quid pro quo."

To whit:
Do you approve of your media acting as agents of our enemy, solely because they share the common interest of the destruction of our country's duly elected administration?

I will address your question when I see your response to mine.

Notice that my posts are longer than yours simply because I bother to address every question or statement of yours, while you lazily sit back and cherry pick from my posts, mischaracterizing them in order to demean and ridicule.

If you continue with such boorish behavior, I shall happily treat your future attempts at baiting with the contempt they so richly deserve.


As you were.

[RickSp]

Quote by: dilligras To whit: Do you approve of your media acting as agents of our enemy, solely because they share the common interest of the destruction of our country's duly elected administration? I will address your question when I see your response to mine. .

When I see the media acting as agents of our enemy I will disapprove of it. Haven't seen it happen yet. You see, unlike yourself, I am fond of the Fifth Amendment. And, no I don't blame the media for every foreign policy fiasco of the last thirty years.

The closest example I can think of of the media conspiring with enemies of our country would be Judith Miller feeding White House lies about Iraq intel straight to the front page of the New York Times to coordinate with White House media blitzes. I stand by to see you start your whining about me attacking your beloved President again. Yawn.

And you know what Dilly, after all this nonsense and crap, not only don't I expect an answer from you but really don't care if I get one. Your macho chest pounding has just gotten too damn tedious.

[dilligras]

Your macho chest pounding has just gotten too damn tedious.

As have your constant unfounded complaints about me and claims of a superior moral position. You charge me with dancing around to avoid the topic, while using every opportunity to take slanderous potshots at my character, rather than refute my arguments with logic or facts; spin, rather than truth, and claims of knowledge you could not possiby possess.

Besides which, I have no idea which of my statements would constitute "macho chest pounding", but, rather than look for proof, I will feel confident that it is just another unfounded, unsupported mischaracterization, designed only to demean by the self-indulgent vehicle of ludicrously obstreperous posturing.

But experience has inured me from expecting any different from the portside, and so I am no longer much surprised at such pitifully inconsequential misbehavior.

Nor do I long suffer it, expecting a more generous attitude toward diverse positions from folks who only decieve themselves when they claim the moral highground for their own, due to a loudly professed but seldom manifested love of any diversity not pre-approved for public consumption by the elitist fools of academia and their puppets in the leftist mainstream media.

Lefty mantra:
Diverse (read abnormal) lifestyles and foreign customs=better than your own, normal existence.

Diverse opinion=squash like a bug, lest someone contradict your beliefs with fact, common sense, and/or logic, thereby threatening your very survival as a sentient entity.

The last interaction with you will be in answering your question, and only then because I gave my word to do so. Otherwise, I would more than likely have simply ignored any of your subsequent offerings, eschewing personal attacks for those who at least occasionally address my position rather than my motivation or other percieved shortcomings.

I already know I'm an a$$, so you reminding me constantly as though it were some secret profundity of yours is a bit annoying--especially as you appear to concurrently deny your own place on the victory pedestal of a$$-hood.

Do you approve of the Pentagon covering up the fratricide for a month, effectively lying to the Tillman family and to politicians including John McCain about Pat Tillman's death?

When I have real evidence that those things occurred, I will disapprove of it. A lie, by definition entails intent to decieve, which lefty scourges conveniently forget when it suits their agenda. Bush had no evidenced intent to decieve about Saddam's WMD stockpiles, any more than Clinton and Kerry did in '98 when they said exactly the same things--similarly, your evidence of intent, or even overt knowledge in the case of the administration (if not the incompetent, burgeoning bureaucracy that is the Pentagon) is absent for this purported "coverup", other than alleged motive derived entirely from pure conjecture and unsourced claims by obviously prejudiced witnesses.

When I see the media acting as agents of our enemy I will disapprove of it. Haven't seen it happen yet. You see, unlike yourself, I am fond of the Fifth Amendment.

I think you probably mean the First Amendment, which deals with freedom of speech, religion, press, petition and assembly.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.2

But here is the fifth, just in case.

Amendment V: Individual debt and double jeopardy. No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

And, no I don't blame the media for every foreign policy fiasco of the last thirty years.

Nor do I, mr. man of straw.

The closest example I can think of of the media conspiring with enemies of our country would be Judith Miller feeding White House lies about Iraq intel straight to the front page of the New York Times to coordinate with White House media blitzes. I stand by to see you start your whining about me attacking your beloved President again. Yawn.

Then you obviously didn't bother to read the link about the perfidy of the LAT in reporting dead women and children at the behest of Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq.

And Judith may be about to be charged with treason, depending on the current examination of her phone records for the number of the person who leaked the NSA intelligence story.

Whoever it was who leaked, I hope they hang the lefty bastard from the nearest lampost that is high enough to secure his feet from the country I cherish and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Have a long life, rick, that you may one day come to know the error of your ways.


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[RickSp]

LOL. You are amusing dilly. Very amusing.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: dilligras the country I cherish and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Looks like you favor the domestic enemies, dilligras...

[The Decider]

Quote by: dilligras When I have real evidence that those things occurred, I will disapprove of it. A lie, by definition entails intent to decieve, which lefty scourges conveniently forget when it suits their agenda. Bush had no evidenced intent to decieve about Saddam's WMD stockpiles, any more than Clinton and Kerry did in '98 when they said exactly the same things--similarly, your evidence of intent, or even overt knowledge in the case of the administration (if not the incompetent, burgeoning bureaucracy that is the Pentagon) is absent for this purported "coverup", other than alleged motive derived entirely from pure conjecture and unsourced claims by obviously prejudiced witnesses.

You know all about "intent to deceive" without first seeing the results of a comprehensive congressional investigation. That's a neat trick. I say, investigate the whole war and see where the chips fall. Clinton may indeed look worse. So be it. Let the investigation go where it must.

Quote by: dilligras And Judith may be about to be charged with treason, depending on the current examination of her phone records for the number of the person who leaked the NSA intelligence story. Whoever it was who leaked, I hope they hang the lefty bastard from the nearest lampost that is high enough to secure his feet from the country I cherish and defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Obviously you know zilch about Judith Miller's "reporting." The "lefty" gave her information FAVORABLE to Bush's case for war--the purported "aluminum tubes" for Saddam's nuclear program, mobile bio-chemical "labs," stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction--all based on White House leaks that Miller didn't bother to corroborate.

I don't care what happens to that sow legally. She did this nation a supreme disservice in the service of our lame president's war.

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: dilligras When I have real evidence that those things occurred, I will disapprove of it. A lie, by definition entails intent to decieve, which lefty scourges conveniently forget when it suits their agenda. .

Geez, what do you consider evidence anyway?? A simple Google on the subject of Pat Tillman will give you multiple sources, from both sides of the political spectrum.

[namguy69]

Quote by: Suburbanite CNN "U.S. Army Cpl. Pat Tillman, the former professional football player killed last month in Afghanistan, was probably killed by gunfire from his own unit during an intense firefight, the U.S. Army said Saturday." What does everyone think about this?

Ok....

[gr8fuldaniel]

Dubya nearly gets his ass handed to him....

RAWSTORY Bush, Webb in testy exchange over Senator-elect's soldier son Mike Sheehan Published: Tuesday November 28, 2006 President Bush and U.S. Senator-elect Jim Webb got into a testy exchange over the status of Webb's soldier son, who is serving in Iraq, The Hill is reporting. Emily Heil writes that at a White House private dinner just after the election featuring "newly elected lawmakers," Bush asked Webb "how his son, a Marine lance corporal serving in Iraq, was doing." According to a person who was present at the dinner, Webb replied to the President that he "really wanted to see his son brought back home." "I didn't ask you that, I asked how he's doing," Bush replied, according to The Hill's source. "Webb confessed that he was so angered by this that he was tempted to slug the commander-in-chief, reported the source, but of course didn't," writes Heil. "It's safe to say, however, that Bush and Webb won't be taking any overseas trips together anytime soon." The full item can be read here.

[Fonceai]

On the one side, it wasn't what he asked him.

On the other side, that's not a very cool response to give to a concerned parent who wants their son home.

Too bad Bush couldn't take off his political puppet hat long enough to be a compassionate parent.

Oh wait, I forgot about how classy his daughters are. Never mind.

[dilligras]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Looks like you favor the domestic enemies, dilligras...

Nooooo, it looks like you are wont to parsing my statements so as to make it appear I said something else entirely......by the simple expedient of removing the context.

Go cherry pick someone else's posts, try some real debate, and for heaven's sake, get some new ad hominem material.

I have to admit though your baiting technique is top notch and not an extra syllable was wasted in the one-line effort.

Bravo.

As a past master in the field of baiting, I hereby bestow upon you the exalted title of masterbaiter.

Now run along and play with yourself.

[dilligras]

Quote by: The Decider You know all about "intent to deceive" without first seeing the results of a comprehensive congressional investigation. That's a neat trick. I say, investigate the whole war and see where the chips fall. Clinton may indeed look worse. So be it. Let the investigation go where it must.

Ooooo YES!!! Maybe the lefties can get Fitzgerald to foist upon the populace yet another phoney, trumped up charge of malfeasance, investigating their hated opposition to the tune of millions of taxpayer funds, while wantonly ignoring all exculpatory evidence, even a secret confession by Armitage, in order to drag out the "investigation" (and thus media coverage and the face-time so desperately sought by lefty career beaurocrats) long enough for its media circus to affect approval numbers in the polls.

Easily manipulated by these machinations are we?

Obviously you know zilch about Judith Miller's "reporting." The "lefty" gave her information FAVORABLE to Bush's case for war--the purported "aluminum tubes" for Saddam's nuclear program, mobile bio-chemical "labs," stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction--all based on White House leaks that Miller didn't bother to corroborate.

Excuse me? Perhaps you would be well advised to keep up with current events, instead of hanging onto your commie pinko talking points until they are so outdated that their repitition serves only to make you look the fool.

I was talking about the NYT's disclosure of NSA programs like tracking terror money and wiretapping phones of foreign enemy agents.

Get with the program, pilgrim.

But, it appears that I misspoke also, because the two reporters whose phone records are being examined are not themselves under investigation, just the persons who leaked the info to them.



As you were.


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[ByaKya]

Another cover up by the army.
Such a feel good story for the gung ho americans to retell themselves.
Super rich football player, gives up the million to risk his life for h is country, and does so paying the ultimate price, all for his country.....
Except he was shot by his fellow soilders.....in the head......multiple times.

its like the fake rescue of jessica lynch.
In infact this whole war is just lies piled on lies

[ByaKya]

Quote by: dilligras Ooooo YES!!! Maybe the lefties can get Fitzgerald to foist upon the populace yet another phoney, trumped up charge of malfeasance, investigating their hated opposition to the tune of millions of taxpayer funds, while wantonly ignoring all exculpatory evidence, even a secret confession by Armitage, in order to drag out the "investigation" (and thus media coverage and the face-time so desperately sought by lefty career beaurocrats) long enough for its media circus to affect approval numbers in the polls. Easily manipulated by these machinations are we? Excuse me? Perhaps you would be well advised to keep up with current events, instead of hanging onto your commie pinko talking points until they are so outdated that their repitition serves only to make you look the fool. I was talking about the NYT's disclosure of NSA programs like tracking terror money and wiretapping phones of foreign enemy agents. Get with the program, pilgrim. But, it appears that I misspoke also, because the two reporters whose phone records are being examined are not themselves under investigation, just the persons who leaked the info to them. As you were. .

Your opinion is not the mainstream, neocon.
2006 elections threw out the culture of corruption, party of death republicans.
How many republicans under investigation? how many resigned in shame?
Take those pinko commie talking points, and deal with it

[dilligras]

Quote by: ByaKya Your opinion is not the mainstream, neocon.

Perhaps not, but at least MY opinion is not the "mainstream" amongst the enemy.

If it were, I would change it. Why don't you?

2006 elections threw out the culture of corruption, party of death republicans. How many republicans under investigation? how many resigned in shame?

Please notice that your questions infer that accusastion, or "investigation", equals corruption. Is this how you dispense justice in the utopian governance you seek?

Is this what passes for logical argument amongst your lefty peers?



Of course it is.


As for "resigning in shame", at least R's force their corrupt members to resign when caught--D's just place them in a more exalted position in their leadership.

They squeal loudly about unproven charges of Hastert's ignoring Foley's mild emailed indiscretions with a boy of legal age, pretending Hastert knew of the more putrid IM's "discovered" later on a phoney website constructed for the sole purpose of continuing the DNC's despicable policy of timing such "discoveries" just before an election, even if they endanger other pages by keeping them exposed to such perversion in the interim months or years until said election.

Talk about irony.

Talk about perverting justice.

Talk about hypocrisy.

"Can we talk?" [/Joan Rivers]

Take those pinko commie talking points, and deal with it

Done and done.



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[ByaKya]

Quote by: dilligras Please notice that your questions infer that accusastion, or "investigation", equals corruption. Is this how you dispense justice in the utopian governance you seek? Is this what passes for logical argument amongst your lefty peers? .

Hit me up when they are cleared of any wrong doing.
most have already admitted or resigned.
link to those that havent, lol