Human Rights and Global Warming

[Technosoul]

As winter storms crash across the United States of America we still find that Global Warming is a hot topic in poltical circles, and even relative to international politics and treaty agreements.

A number of threads have been orginated on this topic but I feel this one presents another angle to the problem that was not a part of the O.P. (opening post) of any other topic about this problem. The other threads were about the rights of businesses or about a bunch of scientific data and speculative doomsday theories.

This is about real human rights and about Nature's Laws that are in violation and what can be done poltically by governments to start to control the cause and effects generating Global Warming,

The voice began in the 1980s from the Eskomo tribes that live near the polar poles of Canada. The reason is that the warming of the ice is directly effecting their way of life because they depend on ice, snow and rather cold weather for their hunting culture and because they use ice for transportation,

For as long as we have any recorded history of the northern native tribes they have survived cheifly has a hunting tribe, using dog sleds for transportation, and they also do some fishing. They depend on nature for food and do not have shopping centers or markets to buy food from. That way of life has been handed down from generation to generation for countless years but they are very worried now because their grandchildren might not be able to carry on with the traditional teachings that has substained them for so long as a culture.

They want to put a human face on this topic because we get sidetracked with other reasons to debate this problem. Their natural right to exsist as a culture is directly being effected and their future under grave threat.

They are not left wing tree huggers because they got not trees up there to speak of. They are just human beings, and they are parents and grandparents just like most of us are.

They first became alarmed about environmental issues back in the 1980s when it was discovered that their mothers had topic breast milk, and the reason is because they eat a lot of fat from mammals of the sea which migrated down the cost to areas were bug stray washed into the oceans form the farming industry. (and othe sources). Their infants were being poisoned by something happening many miles away in another country.

They went forth and contacted a number of nations and got some of the chemicals banned, and even enforced. The USA agreed to the international treaty but never ratified it nor enforced it. Which is odd because a major part of their support and funding for change came from private groups here in the USA, from we the people.

And now more new toxic chemicals are showing up in the north pole area that were not on the original list of hazardous chemicals. Research has found a high level of fire retardant chemicals in Polor Bears (who also eat Seals and other mammals) and the fat of those animals stores the toxics consumed.
And fish.

And so these man made changes in the weather caused by industrial nations are not just about weather changes, but about the health of those who hunt for food directly from nature, as do the Eskomos. (without the aid of "Food Inspectors" like we have with our supermarkets.. more or less have that is).

Their right to their environment, their home, their health, and their food supply is all endangered the the toxics we and other industral nations produce to do our businesses. And when it comes down to it the only ones who can acturally enforce a change is our political government, as well as the voluntary efforts of businessmen (which is rare or is put-off as not an urgent matter).

At this moment some of our Untied States is experiencing the side effects of weather changes with frozen farming crops, nasty winds, and snow, hail, and rain storms. But that is not the topic, this is topic is about the rights of real humans who must suffer drastic changes in their traditional life styles and resources. Which will be directly effected by how our government responds to the situtation at hand. So far no one from our government has responded to the "voices" from the northern natives.

I found the information above on a tv show out of Santa Barbara California but can find on web links to the story aired this evening on this topic. Santa Barbara tv. org. is the link they provided.

Is the USA responsible via our government for the rights being violated by our businesses of peoples who live in Canada or near the north pole?

[Slevin57]

I don't think you can blame the US anymore than you can blame China. Geographically speaking the poles are equidistant.

I think this is a prime example of when people will start to care about the environment, when it comes to your front door.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Slevin57 I don't think you can blame the US anymore than you can blame China. Geographically speaking the poles are equidistant. I think this is a prime example of when people will start to care about the environment, when it comes to your front door.

This is true what you said, the USA is not alone when it comes to being a industrial nation. In fact the Eskomos living in northern Russia are at a greater health risk due to polution as those on Canada's side of the globe.
Tests show they have more toxic junk in their bodies then do the ones in Canada. The report I tuned into did not mention if Russia or China signed the treaty or if they are attempting to take action - if they are then they are off the hook because they are trying to enforce needed change. But blaming other countries does not take America off the hook, passing the blame is the old "Adam and Eve" trick and it has been known for a long time to be the wrong way to go for solving problems,

The Eskomos pointed out they are not trying to attack anyone but just want to have the right to keep their environment and health in tack. They pointed out the the United States is a world leader and esentially important as an influence if global agreements are to gain the results that are desired.

So I agree with you but have added additional remarks. Have the weather changes reached our back door yet... check with your local weatherman for that answer.

[sevendogs]

USA is a major polluter and also a world leader in all great ideas for humankind. Of course, during Bush presidency, we lost this role, but it is only temporarily. Rights of people will be violated, because the whole climatic zones would shift globally and whole faunas and floras would vanish. I am an environmentalist and pay to environmentalist groups regularly for at least 30 years, but I am pessimistic. Humans will stay the same. We are brought here by Nature and this up to the Nature to restrain or remove us. I am sorry I cannot hope to witness dramatic changes on Earth during another life time period.

[Mozart1220]

Like I have said in many other topics, the USA should lead by example. Global Warming is about 99% certain at this point, in spite of what Exxon/Mobil (and thus the Bush administration and Republican party) would have us believe. We currently outrun every other nation in energy usage, and are pretty close to the top (not sure abut this one) in pollution.

We should lead the way in cleaning up the planet regardless of whethere we believe Global Warming is a problem or not. This still is the only place we have to live, and like the old saying goes "A dog doesn't crap where he sleeps".

[Slevin57]

I don't think that government polices are going to create sweeping change.

We need to change the way people think. I never throw things on the ground, I keep it in my car or find a trashcan. But I also drive an SUV. And if a recycling container is not available, then I'll just throw it in the trash.

I think as far as recycling we should adopt the Canadian approach and make it standard to have recepticals for both.

Recycling is what everyone things about with the Environment. I think it's a good starting point to greater education.

I don't think we should just devote our time to fixing global warming. Soil erosion is actually a greater problem than global warming right now, you don't' see people out throwing grass seed now do you?

If we are going to learn, it needs to start on the individual level.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Slevin57 I don't think that government polices are going to create sweeping change. We need to change the way people think. I never throw things on the ground, I keep it in my car or find a trashcan. But I also drive an SUV. And if a recycling container is not available, then I'll just throw it in the trash. I think as far as recycling we should adopt the Canadian approach and make it standard to have recepticals for both. Recycling is what everyone things about with the Environment. I think it's a good starting point to greater education. I don't think we should just devote our time to fixing global warming. Soil erosion is actually a greater problem than global warming right now, you don't' see people out throwing grass seed now do you? If we are going to learn, it needs to start on the individual level.

The governer of California (Arnold) once got some protests about dirving his SUV (as personal vehicles are a major cause relative to greenhouse gasses and Global Warming trends). But he got his face on the cover of TIME magazine as a leading environmentalist because of a number of laws and programs he is putting into effect in California. Which will also move us in the direction of bio-fuels instead of fosil fuels. As a Republican governor working with democrats he is showing everyone that government can take action and can make major strides towards the solutions outlined by scientists and environmentalists. He is overcoming the myth that we can get nothing done via poltics.

It is wonderful that you would take the personal responsibilty to dump your trash in the right place to keep our highways looking beautiful. But such trash is not causing global warming nor health hazards for natives in the northern Canada. (with exception of an oil can perhaps).

The only individual that can have a major impact on making changes are the individuals who own or manage industries that polute, individuals who provide dirvers with the fuels they need for transportation, and individuals who can effect laws and regulations via poltical roles as our leaders.

To try to make people think they can create the changes needed by individual actions of personal responsibilty is vastly understating what must be done from a collective prespective. Although every little bit helps those little bits are not a big enough effort. Individuals who support organized environmental projects or who vote for envrionmentalistic canadates or who speak and write about this topic in a constructive manner, are also important as a "starting place". But asking people to just recycle cans is not enough to cut the mustard. And in a way it is a deception promoted by those who do not want people to demand changes in industry and transportation, and so forth. What you have suggested sounds nice and even somewhat logical but it falls short of the more realistic solutions called for.

[Heather]

Very good points from everyone.

I fear that the personal changes it would take from people on an individual level are sacrifies that few are willing to make on their own. Take a look at the recent spike in gas prices for example and the following of people who traded in their gas guzzelers for something more economical. They did so because it was hurting their pocket book, not because they really cared to make an effort to better the environment.

I would like to be optomist about people in general striving to make a change here, however, am doubtful. Out of sight, out of mind, and I think until it really hits them hard right in their own homes, few will strive to change anything if it's not a must for their daily lives.

[jamesbdunn]

Quote by: Technosoul This is about real human rights and about Nature's Laws that are in violation and what can be done poltically by governments to start to control the cause and effects generating Global Warming,

If there is a practical method of controlling the weather so that Global Warming can be reversed, would it be criminal for any governing body on Earth that would not support establishing a Weather Control System (WCS)?

Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - Weather Control System (WCS)

Additionally, the WCS can provide abundant clean power, more than what the world currently consumes; eliminating the majority of all human produced greenhouse gases.

Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - WCS provides Solar Power to power the world

Obviously, we need to be careful about abusing such a system. But it is a viable tool for helping to ensure our survival; especially if nothing else works.

What laws would have to be put into place to ensure the ethical use of a Weather Control System, and a power system that would have a virtual monopoly?

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Heather Very good points from everyone. I fear that the personal changes it would take from people on an individual level are sacrifies that few are willing to make on their own. Take a look at the recent spike in gas prices for example and the following of people who traded in their gas guzzelers for something more economical. They did so because it was hurting their pocket book, not because they really cared to make an effort to better the environment. I would like to be optomist about people in general striving to make a change here, however, am doubtful. Out of sight, out of mind, and I think until it really hits them hard right in their own homes, few will strive to change anything if it's not a must for their daily lives.

Thank you for your in-put and I would agree that the average "Joe Blow" needs a motive for doing things other then the motivations of being a responsible world citizen.

By the way I also have two gray and white striped cats.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: jamesbdunn If there is a practical method of controlling the weather so that Global Warming can be reversed, would it be criminal for any governing body on Earth that would not support establishing a Weather Control System (WCS)? Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - Weather Control System (WCS) Additionally, the WCS can provide abundant clean power, more than what the world currently consumes; eliminating the majority of all human produced greenhouse gases. Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - WCS provides Solar Power to power the world Obviously, we need to be careful about abusing such a system. But it is a viable tool for helping to ensure our survival; especially if nothing else works. What laws would have to be put into place to ensure the ethical use of a Weather Control System, and a power system that would have a virtual monopoly?

When Reagan effected the HAARP program (originally contracted to G.E. company ( whom he worked for before intering politics) a lot of concerned scientists presented reasons why the project would be dumped as potentially dangerous.

Once a technology is constructed that can be used also for military purposes then the cat is out of the bag, and soon anyone can take advantage of such technology for the wrong reasons.

Like nuclear energy for clean burning electric power, now we fear Iran can convert such technology for making bombs.

I do not think I would advocate the project you linked too because those in charge of our governments normally have little knowledge about the environment and putting them in charge of controlling the weather would seem to be "asking for it" ( as in the "negative" meaning ). Better off to let nature control the weather as it has done for millions of years and for us to take steps to remove our polutions that can hamper that natural process. Also polutions cause more problems then global warming alone, we have health issues concerning cancer and breathing problems.

HAARP Home Page

HAARP.net - The Military's Pandora's Box by Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning

[jamesbdunn]

Quote by: Technosoul Once a technology is constructed that can be used also for military purposes then the cat is out of the bag, and soon anyone can take advantage of such technology for the wrong reasons.

Which takes me off subject momentarily related to providing ethical management for the NSA.

Yahoo! 360° - Scientific Technologies & Political Reform - Ethically provide NSA oversight & allow the Government & People to think as ONE

We need to eliminate political corruption in the United States.

But beyond this, if all other efforts fail. The only way to reverse global warming will be to create an active weather control system.

NASA reported that global warming will continue even if we reduce greenhouse gas emmissions.