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Mr.Vicchio · Mar 29, 2007, 04:22 pm

My belief is you are going to see Hillary take the nod, and ask Barak to be her VP. This is her end game, IMHO, she'll beat him down now to keep him from being the nominee, then extend the olive branch, because let's face it, he's got a lot of appeal.

On the GOP Side.... it won't be any of the big names now, not Rudy, not McCain, not Romney. It will be an outside shot coming in late, I think Fred Thompson will pull it off, unless Newt jumps in and splits the conservative vote handing Rudy the nod.

Which I don't see happening. Newt won't in the end run.

That's my take on '08. And no, Hillary wont win.

Captain Chaos · Mar 29, 2007, 04:50 pm

I want Rudy.

He could win a general election easily.

Can he get the nomination?

Mr.Vicchio · Mar 29, 2007, 06:28 pm

I don't think he will make it, I don't see the conservative base voting for him unless, unless he is the only choice. If Thompson doesn't run then Rudy will have it, but I think Fred will.

Gods_Mercenary · Mar 29, 2007, 06:37 pm

I think the conservative base prefers to have power rather than someone who agrees with them 100%, Rudy seems electable to the general populace, provided he doesn't screw up. Romney is a political mercenary( having seen him run as a socially liberal leftist under the flag of republicanism in the 90s in MA) , but is intelligent and adaptable. As long as the conservatives are willing to ignore his flip flopping, he may stand a chance.

brien · Mar 30, 2007, 02:52 pm

Hillary may get the nod but keep in mind she has so much baggage and no experience, except her recent Senate seat, which by the way, is not qualifying experience for the executive office. So she has zip, zero, nada, experience to qualify her to even be a candidate. But heh, she is the darling of many Dems, so she is poling well in the Primary polls. She is a 5/2 favorite right now, even beating Al Gore if he were to run. However she has no support from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton yet. The Kingmakers have yet to bless anyone. It is my understanding that she polls the best in the Democrat primary for the nomination but then loses in polls to Guillani and even McCain.

Election 2008

Here are a few polls that show Hillary trailing some of her Republican contenders.

WH2008: General

Here is an amusing link by the oddsmakers.

2008HORSERACE.COM - Vote Today for President of the United States

Look for Bill Richarson to gain strength as other Dems lose support.

I still think we should add spouses to be included under the terms of the XXII nd Amendment because as clever as the Clintons think they are, some of us see through their desire to skirt this amendment. The Clintons ruled the 90's under a co-presidency, as many like to describe it, so now in 2008 we should allow this co-presidency to return? The voters will decide but I won't be fooled for one minute into thinking ol Slick Willie won't be right there with his dirty hams right on some of the presidential controls. He could no more resist it than a drunk could resist his drink.

So in conlcusion Mr Vic, if the general election were held today, it seems Hillary would lose.

Mr.Vicchio · Mar 30, 2007, 04:42 pm

brien, tomorrow is another day, and that's doubly so in politics

fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 12:15 am

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Quote by: brien

2008HORSERACE.COM - Vote Today for President of the United States

Cool site, brien - thanks!

I would have liked to see them parse the results by independent variables like native country (you never know, might be a bunch of Angolan communists coming to the site to tip the scales), party, race, gender, etc. though. Anybody know where we can find a site like that (with such a complete list of candidates?)

bishop · Mar 31, 2007, 12:45 am

there's also the point that it's politically tragic for a candidate to peak too early - because they never end up sufficiently rebounding. all the winning candidates of recent history have been those who've been underdogs at the crucial moments.

take bush in 2000, who was initially trailing mccain, and kerry in 2004 who was initially trailing dean... both candidates managed to win their parties primaries.

fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 12:49 am

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Quote by: bishop

there's also the point that it's politically tragic for a candidate to peak too early - because they never end up sufficiently rebounding. all the winning candidates of recent history have been those who've been underdogs at the crucial moments.

take bush in 2000, who was initially trailing mccain, and kerry in 2004 who was initially trailing dean... both candidates managed to win their parties primaries.

Why is that anyway? Is it just our trend-based, Johnny-come-lately consumer economy, which basically kills the shelf life of hype?

bishop · Mar 31, 2007, 12:55 am

beats me... it may just be that these underdogs save all their campaign money until the very end of the primaries - where they undertake a massive push. bush launched the attacks against mccain at the final moment in 2000.. i don't remember what kerry did, but he obviously had a surge very late during the iowa primaries...

voters are clearly highly motivated by present-day campaign rhetoric, and quickly forget the candidate's historical record. americans have a stereotypical short-term memory for a reason ya know....

fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 01:05 am

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Quote by: bishop

beats me... it may just be that these underdogs save all their campaign money until the very end of the primaries - where they undertake a massive push. bush launched the attacks against mccain at the final moment in 2000..

What was Bush's anti-McCain strategy again? I can't remember (talk about short-term memory). Think his opponents will pull the same strategy out of the garage and fire it up against him again?

bishop · Mar 31, 2007, 01:13 am

here's the bush campaign's attacks on mccain:

What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary

as for the latter question, i have no clue - the GOP is quite demoralitized these days. the undeniable failures and corruption of the bush administration is nothing to be proud of. but, few slimebag republicans are willing to drastically distance themselves from this horrible president's policies... it's kind of similar to how gore campaigned in 2000, following clinton's numerous failures/scandals (although bush's are FAR worse).

Mr.Vicchio · Mar 31, 2007, 12:08 pm

I find many of my GOP Friends are more demoralized by the spineless GOP in the House and Senate then by anythign Bush has done. Republicans that try to play nice with the Dems on issues we find important and then hosing us all are really what's got our goat.

We want a conservative candiate, and so far.. I don't see with their hat in the ring, that's the lathargic response you see to the canidates atm. We are waiting for someone we can rally behind not someoen we have to vote for just to beat Hillary.

**Jason** · Mar 31, 2007, 03:46 pm

How about a poll for "If the election were held today, who would you vote for?"

I recently installed a write-in option for poll, too, so people can add their own

Mar 29, 2007, 04:22 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	2008 break down My belief is you are going to see Hillary take the nod, and ask Barak to be her VP. This is her end game, IMHO, she'll beat him down now to keep him from being the nominee, then extend the olive branch, because let's face it, he's got a lot of appeal. On the GOP Side.... it won't be any of the big names now, not Rudy, not McCain, not Romney. It will be an outside shot coming in late, I think Fred Thompson will pull it off, unless Newt jumps in and splits the conservative vote handing Rudy the nod. Which I don't see happening. Newt won't in the end run. That's my take on '08. And no, Hillary wont win. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 29, 2007, 04:50 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Captain Chaos Shifting Paradigms Location: Flowery Branch, GA Posts: 3,102	I want Rudy. He could win a general election easily. Can he get the nomination? Do all things with love.

Mar 29, 2007, 06:28 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I don't think he will make it, I don't see the conservative base voting for him unless, unless he is the only choice. If Thompson doesn't run then Rudy will have it, but I think Fred will. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 29, 2007, 06:37 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,261	I think the conservative base prefers to have power rather than someone who agrees with them 100%, Rudy seems electable to the general populace, provided he doesn't screw up. Romney is a political mercenary( having seen him run as a socially liberal leftist under the flag of republicanism in the 90s in MA) , but is intelligent and adaptable. As long as the conservatives are willing to ignore his flip flopping, he may stand a chance. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Mar 30, 2007, 02:52 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
brien Iceberg Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,691	Hillary may get the nod but keep in mind she has so much baggage and no experience, except her recent Senate seat, which by the way, is not qualifying experience for the executive office. So she has zip, zero, nada, experience to qualify her to even be a candidate. But heh, she is the darling of many Dems, so she is poling well in the Primary polls. She is a 5/2 favorite right now, even beating Al Gore if he were to run. However she has no support from Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton yet. The Kingmakers have yet to bless anyone. It is my understanding that she polls the best in the Democrat primary for the nomination but then loses in polls to Guillani and even McCain. Election 2008 Here are a few polls that show Hillary trailing some of her Republican contenders. WH2008: General Here is an amusing link by the oddsmakers. 2008HORSERACE.COM - Vote Today for President of the United States Look for Bill Richarson to gain strength as other Dems lose support. I still think we should add spouses to be included under the terms of the XXII nd Amendment because as clever as the Clintons think they are, some of us see through their desire to skirt this amendment. The Clintons ruled the 90's under a co-presidency, as many like to describe it, so now in 2008 we should allow this co-presidency to return? The voters will decide but I won't be fooled for one minute into thinking ol Slick Willie won't be right there with his dirty hams right on some of the presidential controls. He could no more resist it than a drunk could resist his drink. So in conlcusion Mr Vic, if the general election were held today, it seems Hillary would lose. Brien the Iceberg If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T.

Mar 30, 2007, 04:42 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	brien, tomorrow is another day, and that's doubly so in politics Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 31, 2007, 12:45 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	there's also the point that it's politically tragic for a candidate to peak too early - because they never end up sufficiently rebounding. all the winning candidates of recent history have been those who've been underdogs at the crucial moments. take bush in 2000, who was initially trailing mccain, and kerry in 2004 who was initially trailing dean... both candidates managed to win their parties primaries. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Mar 31, 2007, 12:55 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	beats me... it may just be that these underdogs save all their campaign money until the very end of the primaries - where they undertake a massive push. bush launched the attacks against mccain at the final moment in 2000.. i don't remember what kerry did, but he obviously had a surge very late during the iowa primaries... voters are clearly highly motivated by present-day campaign rhetoric, and quickly forget the candidate's historical record. americans have a stereotypical short-term memory for a reason ya know.... hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Mar 31, 2007, 01:13 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	here's the bush campaign's attacks on mccain: What Bush did to McCain in the 2000 S. C. primary as for the latter question, i have no clue - the GOP is quite demoralitized these days. the undeniable failures and corruption of the bush administration is nothing to be proud of. but, few slimebag republicans are willing to drastically distance themselves from this horrible president's policies... it's kind of similar to how gore campaigned in 2000, following clinton's numerous failures/scandals (although bush's are FAR worse). hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Mar 31, 2007, 12:08 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I find many of my GOP Friends are more demoralized by the spineless GOP in the House and Senate then by anythign Bush has done. Republicans that try to play nice with the Dems on issues we find important and then hosing us all are really what's got our goat. We want a conservative candiate, and so far.. I don't see with their hat in the ring, that's the lathargic response you see to the canidates atm. We are waiting for someone we can rally behind not someoen we have to vote for just to beat Hillary. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 31, 2007, 03:46 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Jason hyggeligt life Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,835	How about a poll for "If the election were held today, who would you vote for?" I recently installed a write-in option for poll, too, so people can add their own Read the rules. Please show your appreciation by donating.