how do we win back America?

[jose]

Republican Paul Findley Dares to Speak Out -- Again ! - AIPAC Exposed - Google Video
the video is about an hour in length, but i feel it is worth a view, if only to see how America was before the Aipac invasion

[Praxius]

Can't watch it at work at the moment, but the subject question "How to win back America?"

Easy.... get rid of the Mason in power right now... Bush.

When you use the 1st person plural personal pronoun "we", to whom are you referring. If "we" is the American oligarchy that has purchased Congress, it would seem that "we" won America long ago.

Is "we" the Christian right? The citizens of the blue states? Of the red states?

Who is "we"?

Regards
S.

[GHook93]

Can't watch it either at the moment, but its easy make the Middle East a parking lot (J/K)!

(1) Rather get rid of the ultra-liberals (toss Ricksp in there) and get rid of the neo-conservatives,
(2) Solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict,
(3) Completely pull all our troops out of other countries including places like Germany and Japan
(4) Secure the borders and ports
(5) End the war on drugs
(6) Provide Universal Healthcare
(7) End illegal immigration, by severly punishing employers, landlords, business that provide services (Bank of America).
(8) Get out of Iraq TODAY
(9) Figure out a solution in Afghanistan
(10) Reform welfare
(11) Protect american manufacturing sector against unfair over-seas labor practices
(12) Require all new homes to be have solar panels installed on them (or wind creators powers).
(13) Require ALL automanufactures that do business in the United States to create Ethanol Hyprid Cars, so we can wait a huge middle finger at the Oil Companies, Chavez and the Middle East.
(14) Build Bridges with countries not Walls
(15) Put more money into nuclear fusion research.
(16) Get tough on child predators. You get convicted of molesting, exposing yourself to, raping or killing a child, then you go to jail for a set term, Once your term is over you go to a STRICT mental ward. In which you must meet the highest standards of rehabitation in order to get out. You stay there until you meet the EXTREMELY high standards or you die from old age.
(16) Make a clear retribution to the Native Americans. Give them their own country say WY or North Dakota.
(17) Impeach Bush (very important to the rest of the world to see him get kicked out of office, than leaving on his own)
(18) Vote in Obama - Besides that fact that he would be the best choice candidates. He would be a great symbol for this country. The first Black President in a majority White Country. Maybe then all the KKK, Aryan Nation, PatrickHenry etc. could die of heart attacks or leave the country after the final count comes in.
(19) Rebuild the World Trade Center
(20) Stop policing the world
(21) Move the UN out of the United States.
(22) Figure out how to clone fish, so we can stop draining the oceans of wide life and all provide food.

Did I miss anything.

[The Sexorcist]

"Colon fish"? As much as I love fish ass, I don't see how that will save America.

Move the UN out of America? If that's a typo, I don't think removing ourselves from the UN will do any good. Rather, we need to reform the UN to make it more streamlined, more effective and less bearuacratic (sp?).

I agree with almost everything else, and I would add legalize and promote industrial hemp. Hemp could literally be the one thing that saves our environment.

P.S. Thank you for insisting that businesses be held responsible for hiring illegal aliens, rather than foucs on screwing the aliens themselves. They wouldn't be over here in the first place if businesses weren't hiring them left and right.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The Sexorcist "Colon fish"? As much as I love fish ass, I don't see how that will save America. Move the UN out of America? If that's a typo, I don't think removing ourselves from the UN will do any good. Rather, we need to reform the UN to make it more streamlined, more effective and less bearuacratic (sp?). I agree with almost everything else, and I would add legalize and promote industrial hemp. Hemp could literally be the one thing that saves our environment. P.S. Thank you for insisting that businesses be held responsible for hiring illegal aliens, rather than foucs on screwing the aliens themselves. They wouldn't be over here in the first place if businesses weren't hiring them left and right.

Thanks for catching the typo and cloning fishes is needed for the whole world. Legalizing Hemp goes along with legalizing drugs. But, yea Hemp has way too many uses to not have it legalized.

Why do illegals come here? Because there is incentive. Take away the incentive and then only legals or VALID guest workers will come here! In the long run its in the best interest of the workers, since these then US companies can exploit these workers, by paying them well under minimum wage and providing no benefits.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Military rebellion when Osborn is finally taken out by the feds, We'll start an underground system of sleeper cells ready to pop up, it'll be over within a week, and we'll begin the second Republic of the United states of America. I'll control the military (think George washington) and a constitution will be made that mirrors the old one, but with tight strictures on the government as well as the abolition of the party system. The dems and reps will be exiled to canada, and new names will be made that recall the roman system of government (to appeal to me, I'm effn george washington, after all). There will be two executive consuls, both taken from different areas of the country, which will have absolute terms of 4 years with ree-election every two. Os will be buried in state in washington. I'll set up the Senatorial guard, who's head will be elected by the people directly and will control all goings on in the political structure, as well as providing a military body outside of the excecutives control. Any of you that help will be similarily be given tasks in the set up and will no doubt go down in history as the new fathers of freedom.

What do you think? Am I crazy? Brilliant, A mixture? Silly? a waste of post space? (don't answer that unless it'll help my ego)

[gw120]

Go to Cuba and bring a pen and pad for notes. Just legalized weed and more free speech.

[Gods_Mercenary]

They're also socialist, so not exactly a libertarian paradise.

[gw120]

I would sacrifice liberty for socialism.

[RVonse]

I've said it before and I'll say again, that I think an economic meltdown is our best hope. As bad as this sounds, a complete meltdown may be the only non-violent way our sleeping middle class finally wakes up and removes once and for all corporate government control on their lives.

Since we seem to be well on our way towards such an economic apacolypse I just hope my prediction proves to be right.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I would not, I'm pretty well off, I wouldn't benefit in the least, and IO don't think america would either, we're not built for socialism.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: GHook93 Can't watch it either at the moment, but its easy make the Middle East a parking lot (J/K)! (1) Rather get rid of the ultra-liberals (toss Ricksp in there) and get rid of the neo-conservatives, (2) Solve the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, (3) Completely pull all our troops out of other countries including places like Germany and Japan (4) Secure the borders and ports (5) End the war on drugs (6) Provide Universal Healthcare (7) End illegal immigration, by severly punishing employers, landlords, business that provide services (Bank of America). (8) Get out of Iraq TODAY (9) Figure out a solution in Afghanistan (10) Reform welfare (11) Protect american manufacturing sector against unfair over-seas labor practices (12) Require all new homes to be have solar panels installed on them (or wind creators powers). (13) Require ALL automanufactures that do business in the United States to create Ethanol Hyprid Cars, so we can wait a huge middle finger at the Oil Companies, Chavez and the Middle East. (14) Build Bridges with countries not Walls (15) Put more money into nuclear fusion research. (16) Get tough on child predators. You get convicted of molesting, exposing yourself to, raping or killing a child, then you go to jail for a set term, Once your term is over you go to a STRICT mental ward. In which you must meet the highest standards of rehabitation in order to get out. You stay there until you meet the EXTREMELY high standards or you die from old age. (16) Make a clear retribution to the Native Americans. Give them their own country say WY or North Dakota. (17) Impeach Bush (very important to the rest of the world to see him get kicked out of office, than leaving on his own) (18) Vote in Obama - Besides that fact that he would be the best choice candidates. He would be a great symbol for this country. The first Black President in a majority White Country. Maybe then all the KKK, Aryan Nation, PatrickHenry etc. could die of heart attacks or leave the country after the final count comes in. (19) Rebuild the World Trade Center (20) Stop policing the world (21) Move the UN out of the United States. (22) Figure out how to clone fish, so we can stop draining the oceans of wide life and all provide food. Did I miss anything.

An impressive list. But you forgot about getting rid of that guy holding the two guns (see above images). (just kidding)

Oh, they do clone fish and other animals and you might have already ate one.
But more like trout, as it is hard to keep large ocean tuna fish in breeding ponds.

Hey, we could outsource the nuclear fusion research to Iran then that would solve one problem (or one for two nations), if they can cure AIDs they must have some bright people we can team up with. Ya Know... teamwork.

Now our government could have some peace talks with the N.R.A. to come up with a agreement about gun control. They would support banning private guns if "we" the government bans the Homeland Security Department and the "right" of a president to declair Marshall Law. We get back our right of privacy and surrender the right to bear arms, Then we can get the USA back from the drive-by shooting gangsters.

By the way I cannot tell which of the fish are clones or not, they all look the same to me. But we can have a law that markets can only sell organic food and then use the other stuff only for welfare programs to end hungar.

We must outlaw the preservasion of any DNA from President Bush, just in case the cloner get a-holt of it.

We could send Technosoul back to school. But only if they allow smoking in the classroom.

Out law little white mice from research labs so that we do not discover any new illnesses that need more drugs that boost up the cost of health care.
And to insure Animal rights in so doing.

We need gasoline stations that are painted green and that use solar energy for pumping gas and other energy uses in the station, the gas stations would have roofs where they can grow plants to help re-cycle the air, and shinny clean restrooms that acturally appear healthy looking. That way we can keep our car culture and not feel guilty about it.

Move the U.N. to the Internet and have everyone who is a member log on to do their talks. No building, no country. We can ask the Volconvo owner to provide space here for that purpose. So... move the U.N. to Volconvo and let the debates begin.

Airport security - only naked people would be allowed to pass through the terminals and while in the airplane. Safty is more important then privacy when it comes to the war to stop terrorists.

We can solve the Mexican-American problem like we did for the Native Americans, we can allow Mexico to establish gambling houses all along the boarder line, and allow them the other perks enjoyed in Nevada such as legalized things that most states outlawed. That way they could get rich off of the American dream and still live in Mexico or the "free zone" which we can establish along the boarder.

We can vote of Obama as the first National Preacher for Christian values and then vote for someone else to be the secular president. And when the spirit of Amreican returns like a lightening bolt from the wild blue yonder we can all jump stright up and down and shout it out... Amen.

We can move Israel back to Germany now that things have calmed down in Germany and because it is safe now for them to go back home. Then that would solve that problem.

Now the Vice President's daughter is gay and she was in charge of his election efforts, she could run for President as the first female gay gal and that would save Halliburton and it would also solve the gay marrage problem which would take back America from the Christian right while still allowing the right to be the "one right". She can bring in Arnold from California who is a Repubican that is married to the Kennedy daughter, who can pull a few strings, if you know what I mean, as her chief of staff. "let's build it" could be the motto, Obama would run the Department of Christian affairs and she could hire Al Gore for the Environmental Department, and Moore as the guy who addresses the Press each day at the white house West Wing. We can ask ICE CUBE the rapper to replace Rice when it comes to talking tuff to those forieners.

That mixture will help us take back America from.... from... from... I fogot who ... was it the Beatles? Oh well... you know what I mean.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Technosoul An impressive list. But you forgot about getting rid of that guy holding the two guns (see above images). (just kidding) Oh, they do clone fish and other animals and you might have already ate one. But more like trout, as it is hard to keep large ocean tuna fish in breeding ponds. Hey, we could outsource the nuclear fusion research to Iran then that would solve one problem (or one for two nations), if they can cure AIDs they must have some bright people we can team up with. Ya Know... teamwork. Now our government could have some peace talks with the N.R.A. to come up with a agreement about gun control. They would support banning private guns if "we" the government bans the Homeland Security Department and the "right" of a president to declair Marshall Law. We get back our right of privacy and surrender the right to bear arms, Then we can get the USA back from the drive-by shooting gangsters. By the way I cannot tell which of the fish are clones or not, they all look the same to me. But we can have a law that markets can only sell organic food and then use the other stuff only for welfare programs to end hungar. We must outlaw the preservasion of any DNA from President Bush, just in case the cloner get a-holt of it. We could send Technosoul back to school. But only if they allow smoking in the classroom. Out law little white mice from research labs so that we do not discover any new illnesses that need more drugs that boost up the cost of health care. And to insure Animal rights in so doing. We need gasoline stations that are painted green and that use solar energy for pumping gas and other energy uses in the station, the gas stations would have roofs where they can grow plants to help re-cycle the air, and shinny clean restrooms that acturally appear healthy looking. That way we can keep our car culture and not feel guilty about it. Move the U.N. to the Internet and have everyone who is a member log on to do their talks. No building, no country. We can ask the Volconvo owner to provide space here for that purpose. So... move the U.N. to Volconvo and let the debates begin. Airport security - only naked people would be allowed to pass through the terminals and while in the airplane. Safty is more important then privacy when it comes to the war to stop terrorists. We can solve the Mexican-American problem like we did for the Native Americans, we can allow Mexico to establish gambling houses all along the boarder line, and allow them the other perks enjoyed in Nevada such as legalized things that most states outlawed. That way they could get rich off of the American dream and still live in Mexico or the "free zone" which we can establish along the boarder. We can vote of Obama as the first National Preacher for Christian values and then vote for someone else to be the secular president. And when the spirit of Amreican returns like a lightening bolt from the wild blue yonder we can all jump stright up and down and shout it out... Amen. We can move Israel back to Germany now that things have calmed down in Germany and because it is safe now for them to go back home. Then that would solve that problem. Now the Vice President's daughter is gay and she was in charge of his election efforts, she could run for President as the first female gay gal and that would save Halliburton and it would also solve the gay marrage problem which would take back America from the Christian right while still allowing the right to be the "one right". She can bring in Arnold from California who is a Repubican that is married to the Kennedy daughter, who can pull a few strings, if you know what I mean, as her chief of staff. "let's build it" could be the motto, Obama would run the Department of Christian affairs and she could hire Al Gore for the Environmental Department, and Moore as the guy who addresses the Press each day at the white house West Wing. We can ask ICE CUBE the rapper to replace Rice when it comes to talking tuff to those forieners. That mixture will help us take back America from.... from... from... I fogot who ... was it the Beatles? Oh well... you know what I mean.

So you don't want to present a non-sarcastic or real list of how to get America back on track.

I personally believe it must start by impeaching the Giant Bush and the Big Dick (man image if the Dick was in charge! Wow that would be scarey). Next voting in Obama!

[Gods_Mercenary]

The system is effed up, voting in a new guy who will eff it up less isn't going to do much when he's working with a broken system.

[Zinkovich]

We(as in liberals/democrats) need to instill a better image of cultural and ideological solidarity in order to garner more supporters.

As of right now, we seem less solid and motivated to the people in the middle when compared to the republicans. The media coverage has also been abysmal, because as I mentioned in my new protest thread, we are giving them less of a "song of dance" than the red-faced ideologues the reublicans have rooting for them.

Let's face it folks- airing democrats don't give the media ratings in their mind because the media thinks we are boring. We need to show them that we can give them a show, too.

One the media is at least in some part ours, we'll see more from our politicians. They seem to put a bit more fire and oomph into their work when they know they have an enthusiastic voting base behind them(not to mention watching them).

[Gods_Mercenary]

If enthusiastic means "I guess I'll vote for you so that the Bush doesn't keep getting his way" then you're probably right. And Dems are as boring as Dick cheney, and at least he has th evil appeal.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary The system is effed up, voting in a new guy who will eff it up less isn't going to do much when he's working with a broken system.

Not an Obama fan I take it?

[Zeebadee]

Quote by: jose how do we win back America?

We can't. America is gone, and wthere's no way to get it back. Something designed in the 18th century isn't going to be very effective or efficient in the 21st. The checks and balances that the founders built into the system no longer work to control our government. As soon as the average person figures out that congressional spending has made the dollar worthless, the whole rotten system will simply collapse.

[Gods_Mercenary]

He seems better than most of the other candidates, but the fact that he's in a party negates most chances of me lionizing him.