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Oct 10, 2003, 02:42 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Under current law you can lie your face off in commercials and say such dumb stuff like candidate x wants to end Medicaid, raid Social Security and drag your dad behind a car. I'm for truth in commercials. I think you better be able to prove your commercial in a court of law and be subject to lawsuits if you are a liar. What say you about truth in political ads being a must and also being responsible under the law like a typical product? |
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Oct 10, 2003, 04:45 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | How sad that American politicians are elected by TV commercials. The final result of a people so dumbed-down that they just don't and can not care. I'd suggest that ALL candidate commercials be banned. Let them suggest their policies for scrutiny by the people. In the recent Californian governor election, did you consider the policies of any the candidates? Do you even know what their policies are? Did you know a Green Party candidate stood? |
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Oct 10, 2003, 05:04 am
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| Sedimentary Rock Location: Denmark Posts: 5 | just out of curiousity.. if there where no TV adds, whatsoever, how would you get out to all the people in the country? travel around, knocking on each door with and invitation for a polictial conference and brochures? sorry if it may sounds harsh, but tv adds are a must for achieving the most upright results on a vote.. as you can hear im for truth .. and no, there is no way to test if a person is lying 100% accurate.. so that is a problem, yes.. |
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Oct 10, 2003, 06:42 am
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 Fyrdman  Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152 | In britain we have "Party Political Broadcasts" that any party, that can demonstrate enough support, has a right to. These are shown every night, about 5 mins long, at different times. thats the only TV coverage they have direct control over. Otherwise they are just gonna have to get themselves on the news. But as for going door to door, thats exactley what our people do. Not the MP's themselves, but activists. In the run up to main elections you'll probably get about 4 05 diff parties banging at your door now and then. They'll tell you exactley what the party intends to do if they are in government. And you can tear them apart if your so inclined, which I am, and its fun to watch them squirm as your show them up for not having the answers. Sadism IS fun. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill |
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Oct 10, 2003, 12:19 pm
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,859 | only some politicians can get away with lying... clinton did, davis didn't... caveat emptor "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results... |
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Oct 10, 2003, 12:24 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739 | What, only seven replies before we get the the Clinton bashing? You guys are getting soft. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. |
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Oct 10, 2003, 12:35 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739 | Just because you say it's a fact doesn't make it so. Shall I trouble you to ask for some research, or is such fact-finding below you? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. |
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Oct 10, 2003, 12:48 pm
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,859 | LOL right, clinton was impeached because he told the truth... he didn't get removed... he got away with lying... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results... |
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Oct 10, 2003, 01:58 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739 | Oh yes, how could I forget? Fucking an intern is FAR worse than fucking our economy! . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. |
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Oct 10, 2003, 02:19 pm
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,859 | right... change the subject... I could care less about the sex, it was the lie, that's all... and you need to take an economics course... and btw, the economy is on an upswing and will be flourishing even more come november... on what lie will the democRATS have to run then? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results... |
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Oct 10, 2003, 06:59 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739 | "I could care less about the sex, it was the lie, that's all..." ...said Kenneth Starr, while writing his 400 page entry into the genre of soft-core porn. Oh, yes, Impenitent, how could I have forgotten? Tax cuts are good. Tax cuts are always good, especially when they bankrupt state governments, increase the federal deficit dangerously close to defaulting, and occur right smack dab in the middle of a recession caused by the very same war we're fighting at this moment! Oh, I'll ignore the 3 million Americans who lost their jobs, health coverage, retirement funds and life savings because I'm an blind optimist who actually listens to the likes of Colin Powell, who's been telling us how our economy is going to resurge at any moment! Any minute now, they say, and they've been saying that for the last two god damned years! . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. |
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Oct 10, 2003, 11:32 pm
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| Hot Lava Posts: 1,859 | did you see the last 2 quarters? did you see the last news about unemployment? yes, tax cuts ARE good... like I said, take a macro economics course and learn something besides the democRAT talking points "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results... |
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Oct 10, 2003, 11:59 pm
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| Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848 | Rebel Clinton made two statements that contradicted each other, therefore one of them has to be a lie, no matter what logic you use. Davis on the other hand bought power from a lot of power companies, including ENRON, and then had the state refuse to pay its' debt. Of course when ENRON went under everyone seems to forget that the state of CA owed them quite a large amount of money. So why is CA not liable to those stockholders? Yes, the power companies wanted too much money, but does that justify agreeing to the price and stiffing them when the bill comes? Would not surprise me at all if those power companies soaked a lot of money into his opponents. "Live by the sword..." BTW: You have no right to be outraged by someone bashing Clinton, when you can not go two posts w/o bashing Bush. Hypocrite!!! |
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Oct 28, 2003, 11:58 pm
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| Skeptical Patriot  Posts: 7,746 | </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (casual,) just out of curiousity.. if there where no TV adds, whatsoever, how would you get out to all the people in the country? travel around, knocking on each door with and invitation for a polictial conference and brochures? sorry if it may sounds harsh, but tv adds are a must for achieving the most upright results on a vote....<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The problem is not with the ads themselves, but their content. Try a little test and then make up your mind. Use your memory or even a little notebook and write down the gist of every political ad (local or national) and note each candidate. In a given number of TV or radio ads, how many times does the candidate say where he/she stands and what they'll do if elected, and how many simply say how much the other guy sucks? Not only are these ads on the knife-edge of slanderous, they serve only to get you to vote AGAINST someone, and not FOR someone.. The end result is a nation of sheep believing their guy must be good because the other guy is so BAD! Then you have the law-skirting attack ads paid for by so-called "independent" voter groups which are usually fronts for one party or the other. A candidate can spend only so much, but these front groups can spend anything they like. They usually attack under the pretense of getting you involved but usually end up implying that the "other" candidate is a bum, he stinks on ice, and you should write to HIM and tell him what a rotten job he's doing. Of course the sheep won't write but they are left with an indelible impression that this candidate deserves to die more than be (re)elected. This is nothing new. I recall a Nixon commercial which mentioned Barry Goldwater and then showed a little girl with a flower, immediately followed by a shot of an A-bomb mushroom cloud. Not a word of dialogue but the sheep were left "knowing" Goldwater would have started a nuclear war with the Soviet Union before his ass even warmed up the chair in the Oval Office. So Nixon was elected, and we all know what a great guy HE was. I don't know the answer to this, but some kind of editorial policing must be done by the media, instead of running anything that makes them money. (this rant paid for by the people against whatever I'm against) Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots. |
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Oct 29, 2003, 07:49 am
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| Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7 | Tax cuts are ok if you are not passing loads of debt onto future generations. Why do you think that George Senion raised taxes after he said "Read my lips = No new taxes" or whatever he said... He did it because after 8 years of Reaganomics and space wars, the deficit was so high that it was reaching dangerous proportions. This younger GW will pass the same problem on to the next president. I just hope it is in 2004 and not 2008. We cant afford four more years of this... |
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Oct 29, 2003, 01:32 pm
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| Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152 | Tax cuts, unless you don't mind racking up ridiculous deficits to pay for them, simply mean cutting public spending. Which means public schools and, if you live in a civil country, public health care is slashed, as well as other less important things. However this doesn't matter now does it, because its only the poor who have to suffer the cuts in spending, and who cares about them anyway. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill |
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