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Kyran · May 24, 2004, 06:29 pm

Ladies and gentlemen,

Let's talk about what Iraq will be like in the next year.

But first, I have to state the obvious. There is an attitude going on in this forum in high quantity that is not making intelligent discussion.

Do ya'll see the section list?
"Get out of their business?"
"Poll: what could be worse for Bush?"
"Canadians wonder what has happened to Americans"
"Immediate pullout from Iraq"
"White house guilty of breaking propaganda law"

This is the Politics and Government section, not the Popularity and Appeasement section.

Dumb ideas for closed-minded people:
1. Our president is after oil.
2. Our administration is comparable to Saddam or Hitler (torture issue).
3. America is a warmongerer.
4. America is sticking it's nose where it don't belong.
5. America is being "disrespectful" to somebody's feelings.
6. Bush created the problems in Iraq.
7. A sarin gas WMD that went off isn't a WMD.

To date, I have successfully disproven numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 for every person who has mentioned them -- within the past two weeks. The only reason I can imagine why anyone would still believe these things post-fact is because they want to be stupid. An exchange of ideas is supposed to result in everyone getting smarter. That doesn't happen when people are openly spewing emotionally-charged rhetoric. Understand?

I want to have an intelligent discussion about Iraq's future...not another rant session of "OH, there's gonna be more occupation and more terrorists attacks on the USA and EVERYONE will hate us!" Can we please not let that happen or do I need to get a bottle and diaper ready?

I hate that I have to leave a disclaimer on my threads just to get around the foolishness and drama. Thank you, do NOT trash the forum.

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Let's talk about what Iraq will be like in the next year. Government specifics, trade, friends & enemies, relations with us (the US), technology, etc. If you don't have a prediction, tell us what you would LIKE to see Iraq be a year from now.

Your thoughts.

Comrade · May 24, 2004, 06:31 pm

What?! You mean those things aren't all true? I thought if enough people repeated them to me it made them true.

I am just hoping this doesn't turn into another Chechnya, with Muslim extremists crossing the borders and preventing progress.

dotcoma · May 24, 2004, 06:56 pm

This thread is ridiculous. I really hope it gets ignored.

Comrade · May 24, 2004, 06:57 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,
This thread is ridiculous. I really hope it gets ignored.

With productive posts such as this, I wonder why we haven't solved ALL the problems yet.

dotcoma · May 24, 2004, 06:59 pm

I wouldn't expect a thread started in the manner above to have any "productive posts".

May 24, 2004, 08:13 pm

Kyran. I've coined a phrase for the people you're describing. They're Antis. Anti this and Anti that. You will find the common thread between them is that they are angry about perceived atrocities, usually perpetrated by the US, or right wingers. They never recognize facts disproving their original stance and simply repeat whatever they said prior to the disproval. Also, any factual data included in their arguament usually is slim, reliant on one or a few questionable sources, or nephareous. Knee jerk reactions are also quite common, nay required. I've noticed that my patience with such types of posts has really worn thin. I didn't used to be so sarcastic, but can hardly control myself anymore. I have progressed from reacting in frustration to laughing while sniping a reply.

May 24, 2004, 08:16 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by roxdog,
This thread is ridiculous. I really hope it gets ignored.

It has a real good chance of it if you just keep posting in it.

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 08:36 pm

Before 9/11, most Americans didn't know what Muslims Extremists were or what Jihad meant. Before 9/11, if someone told an American that every Muslim in the Middle East was plotting an attack against the US then that American would have thought the person is crazy. Before 9/11 you all hated Communists. Now it's Muslims you all hate. What will it be next? Hindus? Countries who have German as their native language?

May 24, 2004, 08:41 pm

May 24, 2004, 08:43 pm

Wait a sec, before they became a problem for us why sould we give a shit? Can't you lefties make up your mind whether we mind our own business or take pre emptive action or not?

Are you bi polar?

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 08:43 pm

Yeah. Because I speak sense.

Dieval · May 24, 2004, 08:44 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BaconButty,
Before 9/11, most Americans didn't know what Muslims Extremists were or what Jihad meant. Before 9/11, if someone told an American that every Muslim in the Middle East was plotting an attack against the US then that American would have thought the person is crazy. Before 9/11 you all hated Communists. Now it's Muslims you all hate. What will it be next? Hindus? Countries who have German as their native language?

Before 9/11 Muslim extremists weren't a very big threat to the American people....
3000 deaths later, we've learned a bit..

May 24, 2004, 08:58 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by BaconButty,
Yeah. Because I speak sense.

Which sense, NON sense?

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 09:04 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by URnotmeRU,
Wait a sec, before they became a problem for us why sould we give a shit? Can't you lefties make up your mind whether we mind our own business or take pre emptive action or not?

Are you bi polar?

No. Saddam certainly wasn't a problem for you when the US gave him WMD under the Reagan Administration and when he gassed the Kurds (using gas that the US gave him) when he was under CIA protection. In Americans eyes, it was okay for Saddam to use American-made weapons to invade Iran and gas the Kurds. You gave him the WMD, and then some years later you go to war with him in order to get rid of his WMD because "it is a threat to America." Shame you couldn't attack him sooner when he was using his WMD on other countries or, better still, better if you didn't give him the WMD in the first place.

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 09:06 pm

Typical Republican: "Boo hoo. Saddam has WMD!"

Well, why the hell did the Republicans give WMD to him in the first place?

Comrade · May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm

A very good question. Maybe you should look up the answer. There IS an answer, though the morals of it is a little ambiguous.

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm

Rumsfeld even met Saddam in 1983 when the US was allied to Saddam. He was part of the Reagan Government who gave Saddam his WMD's. Now he is part of the Bush Government that is trying to take those WMD's away from Saddam. Why didn't you try to take them from him when he gassed the Kurds?

May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm

Ok, lets see. You have a liking for guns, your uncle Bob does too. He is your favorite uncle, he knows you're a snot nosed pimple headed geek who may never get laid until you're old enough to buy it. Uncle Bob feels sorry for you, he thinks maybe, just maybe you'll take your gun out into the woods and shoot something, learn to kill and survive from the sweat and victory of the hunt, this might get you laid if you take such operative manuevers in the quest for tang. *no, I didn't say shoot the woman, bear with me*.

So, instead of taking the gun uncle Bob gave an put it to good use, you decide to shoot 5 kids at your local Chucky Cheese, who's fault is it? Yours, or uncle Bobs?

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 09:09 pm

So, what you are saying is that the Kurds and the Iranians are the creatures in the woods but the Americans are the 5 innocent kids?

BaconButty · May 24, 2004, 09:11 pm

So, you Americans gave him the WMD to "play around" with so that he can "have fun" using it on Kurds, as long as he didn't use it on Americans or the Fatherland?

May 24, 2004, 06:31 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Comrade Hot Lava Location: Texas Posts: 1,229	What?! You mean those things aren't all true? I thought if enough people repeated them to me it made them true. I am just hoping this doesn't turn into another Chechnya, with Muslim extremists crossing the borders and preventing progress. Oh, it's really too bad, isn't it? -- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050121/480/watw10701210224 Hahaha, that's funny. Liberals are so silly!

May 24, 2004, 08:36 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	Before 9/11, most Americans didn't know what Muslims Extremists were or what Jihad meant. Before 9/11, if someone told an American that every Muslim in the Middle East was plotting an attack against the US then that American would have thought the person is crazy. Before 9/11 you all hated Communists. Now it's Muslims you all hate. What will it be next? Hindus? Countries who have German as their native language? NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.

May 24, 2004, 08:41 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
URnotmeRU Guest Posts: n/a	You.

May 24, 2004, 08:43 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	Yeah. Because I speak sense. NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.

May 24, 2004, 09:06 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	Typical Republican: "Boo hoo. Saddam has WMD!" Well, why the hell did the Republicans give WMD to him in the first place? NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.

May 24, 2004, 06:29 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Kyran Igneous Magma Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 451	Ladies and gentlemen, Let's talk about what Iraq will be like in the next year. But first, I have to state the obvious. There is an attitude going on in this forum in high quantity that is not making intelligent discussion. Do ya'll see the section list? "Get out of their business?" "Poll: what could be worse for Bush?" "Canadians wonder what has happened to Americans" "Immediate pullout from Iraq" "White house guilty of breaking propaganda law" This is the Politics and Government section, not the Popularity and Appeasement section. Dumb ideas for closed-minded people: 1. Our president is after oil. 2. Our administration is comparable to Saddam or Hitler (torture issue). 3. America is a warmongerer. 4. America is sticking it's nose where it don't belong. 5. America is being "disrespectful" to somebody's feelings. 6. Bush created the problems in Iraq. 7. A sarin gas WMD that went off isn't a WMD. To date, I have successfully disproven numbers 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7 for every person who has mentioned them -- within the past two weeks. The only reason I can imagine why anyone would still believe these things post-fact is because they want to be stupid. An exchange of ideas is supposed to result in everyone getting smarter. That doesn't happen when people are openly spewing emotionally-charged rhetoric. Understand? I want to have an intelligent discussion about Iraq's future...not another rant session of "OH, there's gonna be more occupation and more terrorists attacks on the USA and EVERYONE will hate us!" Can we please not let that happen or do I need to get a bottle and diaper ready? I hate that I have to leave a disclaimer on my threads just to get around the foolishness and drama. Thank you, do NOT trash the forum. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's talk about what Iraq will be like in the next year. Government specifics, trade, friends & enemies, relations with us (the US), technology, etc. If you don't have a prediction, tell us what you would LIKE to see Iraq be a year from now. Your thoughts.

May 24, 2004, 06:56 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	This thread is ridiculous. I really hope it gets ignored.

May 24, 2004, 06:59 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
dotcoma Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154	I wouldn't expect a thread started in the manner above to have any "productive posts".

May 24, 2004, 08:13 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	Kyran. I've coined a phrase for the people you're describing. They're Antis. Anti this and Anti that. You will find the common thread between them is that they are angry about perceived atrocities, usually perpetrated by the US, or right wingers. They never recognize facts disproving their original stance and simply repeat whatever they said prior to the disproval. Also, any factual data included in their arguament usually is slim, reliant on one or a few questionable sources, or nephareous. Knee jerk reactions are also quite common, nay required. I've noticed that my patience with such types of posts has really worn thin. I didn't used to be so sarcastic, but can hardly control myself anymore. I have progressed from reacting in frustration to laughing while sniping a reply.

May 24, 2004, 08:43 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
URnotmeRU Guest Posts: n/a	Wait a sec, before they became a problem for us why sould we give a shit? Can't you lefties make up your mind whether we mind our own business or take pre emptive action or not? Are you bi polar?

May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Comrade Hot Lava Location: Texas Posts: 1,229	A very good question. Maybe you should look up the answer. There IS an answer, though the morals of it is a little ambiguous. Oh, it's really too bad, isn't it? -- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050121/480/watw10701210224 Hahaha, that's funny. Liberals are so silly!

May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	Rumsfeld even met Saddam in 1983 when the US was allied to Saddam. He was part of the Reagan Government who gave Saddam his WMD's. Now he is part of the Bush Government that is trying to take those WMD's away from Saddam. Why didn't you try to take them from him when he gassed the Kurds? NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.

May 24, 2004, 09:08 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
URnotmeRU Guest Posts: n/a	Ok, lets see. You have a liking for guns, your uncle Bob does too. He is your favorite uncle, he knows you're a snot nosed pimple headed geek who may never get laid until you're old enough to buy it. Uncle Bob feels sorry for you, he thinks maybe, just maybe you'll take your gun out into the woods and shoot something, learn to kill and survive from the sweat and victory of the hunt, this might get you laid if you take such operative manuevers in the quest for tang. no, I didn't say shoot the woman, bear with me. So, instead of taking the gun uncle Bob gave an put it to good use, you decide to shoot 5 kids at your local Chucky Cheese, who's fault is it? Yours, or uncle Bobs?

May 24, 2004, 09:09 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	So, what you are saying is that the Kurds and the Iranians are the creatures in the woods but the Americans are the 5 innocent kids? NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.

May 24, 2004, 09:11 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
BaconButty Igneous Magma Posts: 156	So, you Americans gave him the WMD to "play around" with so that he can "have fun" using it on Kurds, as long as he didn't use it on Americans or the Fatherland? NASA scientists spent a decade and $12 billion developing a pen that writes in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, on almost any surface including glass and at temperatures ranging from below freezing to over 300 C. The Russians used a pencil.