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Old Mar 3, 2007, 03:52 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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REAL ID Act?

New Hampshire Anti REAL ID rally:
YouTube - New Hampshire REAL ID Protest

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New Hampshire will forever be remembered as the first state to draw
large-scale citizen opposition to REAL ID, thanks in large part to the
efforts of CASPIAN's New Hampshire chapter. NH CASPIAN, led by state
coordinator Joel Winters, worked tirelessly last year to try to get the
state out of the REAL ID program, bringing together over a dozen
organizations to rally for freedom.

Check out this MUST-SEE video of our anti-REAL-ID rally at the Concord
state house last April -- the event which helped sparked the revolt.
Speakers include Joel Winters, Katherine Albrecht, Rep. Elbert
Bicknell, Carol Shea-Porter, Don Gorman, and Rep. Neal Kurk:
YouTube - New Hampshire REAL ID Protest

NH CASPIAN's Granite State ID website:
Granite State ID :: home

GraniteStateID.com was created with assistance from the Identity
Project:
Papers, Please!

"N.H. Leads Revolt Against Federal ID Rules" - CBS News
N.H. Leads Revolt Against Federal ID Rules - CBS News

Coverage of the statehouse rally - Concord Monitor
They really don't like Real ID - A Concord Monitor Article - Your News Source - Concord NH 03301
Quoted from my e-mail update.



REAL ID is the intermediate step between S.S.# (which was clearly marked when issued NOT to be used as an I.D., which it now is DEMANDED, for employment) and fully electronic currency.

Most of the nation is against it, so where and why does the idea keep coming from? CFR, World Banks, U.N.


The global hedgemony is beginning.....

Where do you stand citizen?


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm

Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/


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Old Mar 3, 2007, 04:31 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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My allegiance is to constitution, not to the corrupt government that claim to be defending it, but thanks for asking.


Go Free Staters!


Although I wonder about where the information came from regarding the intermediate step between SS, and electronic currency.


Sounds about right on the timing though. Remember my prediction about 2008. ( Which is that 2008 will be the proverbial 1984 )
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Old Mar 3, 2007, 04:44 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Although I wonder about where the information came from regarding the intermediate step between SS, and electronic currency.
That was my observation, not the links.


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm

Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/


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Old Mar 4, 2007, 03:43 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I'm surprised more people don't know about the passage of the Real ID Act...
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Old Mar 4, 2007, 03:48 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Lots of people do.....

Not many sheeple do.....


Petition of Redress of Grievances:
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Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks:
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Old Mar 4, 2007, 03:58 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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You're right, I should differentiate... I apologize.
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Old Mar 5, 2007, 12:19 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Ron Paul for President!
National ID Cards Won't Stop Terrorism or Illegal Immigration
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National ID Cards Won't Stop Terrorism or Illegal Immigration

May 9, 2005

The US House of Representatives passed a spending bill last week that contains provisions establishing a national ID card, and the Senate is poised to approve the measure in the next few days. This week marks the American public’s last chance to convince their Senators they don’t want to live in a nation that demands papers from its citizens as they go about their lives.

Absent a political miracle in the Senate, within two years every American will need a conforming national ID card to participate in ordinary activities. This REAL ID Act establishes a massive, centrally-coordinated database of highly personal information about American citizens: at a minimum their name, date of birth, place of residence, Social Security number, and physical characteristics. The legislation also grants open-ended authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to require biometric information on IDs in the future. This means your harmless looking driver’s license could contain a retina scan, fingerprints, DNA information, or radio frequency technology.

Think this sounds farfetched? Read the REAL ID Act, HR 418, for yourself. Its text is available on the Library of Congress website. A careful reading also reveals that states will be required to participate in the “Drivers License Agreement,” which was crafted by DMV lobbyists years ago. This agreement creates a massive database of sensitive information on American citizens that can be shared with Canada and Mexico!

Terrorism is the excuse given for virtually every new power grab by the federal government, and the national ID is no exception. But federal agencies have tried to create a national ID for years, long before the 9-11 attacks. In fact, a 1996 bill sought to do exactly what the REAL ID Act does: transform state drivers’ licenses into de facto national ID cards. At the time, Congress was flooded with calls by angry constituents and the bill ultimately died.

Proponents of the REAL ID Act continue to make the preposterous claim that the bill does not establish a national ID card. This is dangerous and insulting nonsense. Let’s get the facts straight: The REAL ID Act transforms state motor vehicle departments into agents of the federal government. Nationalizing standards for driver's licenses and birth certificates in a federal bill creates a national ID system, pure and simple. Having the name of your particular state on the ID is meaningless window dressing.

Federally imposed standards for drivers' license and birth certificates make a mockery of federalism and the 10th amendment. While states technically are not forced to accept the federal standards, any refusal to comply would mean their residents could not get a job, receive Social Security, or travel by plane. So rather than imposing a direct mandate on the states, the federal government is blackmailing them into complying with federal dictates.

One overriding point has been forgotten: Criminals don’t obey laws! As with gun control, national ID cards will only affect law-abiding citizens. Do we really believe a terrorist bent on murder is going to dutifully obtain a federal ID card? Do we believe that people who openly flout our immigration laws will nonetheless respect our ID requirements? Any ID card can be forged; any federal agency or state DMV is susceptible to corruption. Criminals can and will obtain national ID cards, or operate without them. National ID cards will be used to track the law-abiding masses, not criminals.


"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
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Old Mar 5, 2007, 05:56 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Lets hope more people see Rons "radical concepts" as a bit of sanity in an ever confusing world.


I happen to think he is the only person elected to office who is speaking he truth about our War on Terror.
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Old Mar 5, 2007, 10:17 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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i remember back in 2001 when i wrote and called my representatives, telling them to oppose this move for another ID card, that i felt it was a futile effort. despite putting in the effort to voice my opinion to them, it felt like little more than a waste of time - because i didn't believe they'd support my view.


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