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Oct 10, 2003, 02:16 am

Is it their wacky ideas or actions. Is it their hate speech or lies.

What do you find most offensive?

**Sean** · Oct 10, 2003, 02:17 am

be more specific, and keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with you (you say it as if everyone considers liberals offensive) :)

These are just some tips to keep your post a little more interesting.

P.S.

welcome.

Oct 10, 2003, 02:29 am

OK, but this topic did well on an international forum and received many hundreds of interesting replies when I posted this in Europe.

Godsmom · Oct 10, 2003, 03:48 am

What I find most offensive are persons who post obnoxious comments with loaded questions whose only interest is to annoy.

1) Every party has wacky ideas, as seen from the other side.
2) Every party does wacky things, as seen from the other side.
3) Hate speech was rasied to art form by the GOP against Clinton
4) Lies go back to the Pleistocene, when Oggle first learned to talk and said to Niceass "Sleep with Oggle. Oggle protect."

G. Adams · Oct 10, 2003, 06:28 am

Quote:

Originally posted by BendOverDemocrats@10-10-2003 02:16 AM
Is it their wacky ideas or actions. Is it their hate speech or lies.

What do you find most offensive?

Err, wait, surely you mean conservatives? I see no correlation between your statement and actual liberals.

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 10:35 am

A) How is being a liberal wacky? Is it because we want equality, using communism, and we want human rights. And we want to stop the innocent deaths of thousands. Or is it that we want to abolish the church in order to further equal and stop discrimination.

B) Lies? You my friend obviously don't live in America. I wake up to the morning paper saying some other bush lie. The right wingers are the ones brainwashing the youth, censoring ideas, and squelching free speech.

Yeah we have freedom in the US. As long as you have the money.

Impenitent · Oct 10, 2003, 12:26 pm

the most offensive thing about liberals is that they demand you live under their oppressive governmental structure exactly as they demand... be a liberal slave... liberal (in america) does not mean liberty and more freedom, in fact it is exactly the opposite...

RebelWithanAK · Oct 10, 2003, 12:34 pm

Oh yes, because being a wage slave with no social liberties is sooo much better.

fedfem · Oct 10, 2003, 01:21 pm

These days in America, anyone educated is considered a Liberal. Education seems to be quite scary to "non-Liberals". Only education can expose the lies and corruption.

Impenitent · Oct 10, 2003, 02:14 pm

AK. social liberties? like what? we have all the liberty one can have... remember your liberty stops where the rights of others begin...
free fill in the blank for everyone... but some one has to produce the thing or create the service that you wish to force them into giving away freely... how liberal...

ff. not at all... "education" has nothing to do with being a liberal... being indoctrinated into thinking and believing along strict party lines is liberal, there is nothing "educated" about it... and unfortunately, the lies and corruption are on the left as well (and imho more so on the left), but you are too "educated" to see that

fedfem · Oct 10, 2003, 04:44 pm

So we as Americans have the liberty to travel anywhere we please? Could you share what lies you are referring to?

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 07:10 pm

Indoctrination thats a laugh. In the US our nations youth is being brainwashed heavily through the school system and the church. Some liberals, including me, believe in equality and ending opression. I'm a libertarian also, usually authoritain beliefs are held towards the right, but as always their are exceptions. Wage slavery is a right wing belief. Remember there isn't only left and right. There is also Authoritarian and Libertarian.

Fallen Angel · Oct 10, 2003, 11:05 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by fedfem@10-10-2003 01:21 PM
These days in America, anyone educated is considered a Liberal. Education seems to be quite scary to "non-Liberals". Only education can expose the lies and corruption.

But the system of education we have now is corrupt and full of lies Fedfem, over here in Australia Labor party Socialists are ruining our kids with their whacky liberatarian idealism, teaching them the basic skills of reding writing etc have taken second place to teaching them social issues which are left wing biased.
And I am waiting for your response on the Muslims issue.

Down · Oct 10, 2003, 11:51 pm

Both sides have good ideas and bad ideas. You cant really say that liberals are scary. For you, maybe, but for some conservatives are scary. I personally think anybody in the far reaches on either side is pretty messed up. A lot of liberals seem to have a desire for the betterment of humanity, but a lot of times, the way the may choose to go about it will be flawed. With conservatives, they seem to want the betterment of the individual, and as with liberals, the way they choose to go about it is generally flawed.

In case you didnt know, I consider myself a left leaning independent.

Anarchist Patriot · Oct 11, 2003, 01:45 am

Yawwwwwnnnn....

Sounds like somebody has been listening to too much Sean Hennity.

I have to laugh every time I hear one of those right wing fools like that blow hard Limbaugh who looks for most idiotic examples of liberalism and try to tar all liberals with the same brush. Its especially ridiculous when they look at radical feminist, peta people and others and say that this is the true face of liberalism.

What they are all ignoring is that we have literaly millions of people without insurace who cannot pay for basic health care. This would be unthinkable in any other industrialized society. We also have an unjust judicial system. The us is the only democratic nation, aside from Japan which retains the death penalty. The US allows guns on its streets, and has an enormous homocide rate and we have an idiot for a president. Its no wonder why no one in the world respects the US. AmeriKKKa can't get its act together and it still carries its big stick around the world?

Waychel · Oct 15, 2003, 04:10 pm

I would say anyone who goes so far as to create fabrications and ellaborations to justify their philosophy is.. scary.

Not all liberals are scary, but the extremists definitely are.

dannyp · Oct 15, 2003, 07:42 pm

to the originator of this post:

hate speech is limited to libertarians? Riighht.. i think someone needs to get un-ignorant quick. Probably one of those fellas who will never accept wrong.

karencv · Oct 17, 2003, 10:57 am

This is a part of a post on the American Conservative Forum..... This followed a 500 word rant about Franklin Roosevelt.... Some liberals may be paving the road to hell with good intentions, but it is not liberals who shoot abortion doctors, or blow up family planning clinics, etc.

[quote]Almost half of the time that I spend in productive activity is time I spend for someone else because of you monsters. My life consists only of a series of moments that will eventually end. A good portion of those moments do not belong to me. Your kind has used the law to initiate force against me and rip those moments from my life.
You take my time.
My time is my life.
Ergo, you take my life.
Murderer. Slaver. Fascist scum.
Why should you be deported? Because this nation exists for human beings. You have long since given up any claim you may have had on such a title.
The policies you would support, and institute, require that you, through the state, initiate force agianst me. You cannot, no matter how you EVADE, get around that simple fact.
You say you would base laws on 'compassion'. So you would base laws on how you feel? Laws are there to protect people from those who would initiate force against them, they do not exist to make you FEEL better. Our laws should be based on thought, not feeling. All animals FEEL, but you don't see them building civilizations. That is because civilizations are not built on feelings, you fascist pig.
I have tried to address the issue of force with some of the other leftist scumbags on this board, but they won't address it because they don't really want to examine that unpleasant, and CRUCIAL axiom of thier philosophy. I wonder, do you have the courage for it?

RebelWithanAK · Oct 17, 2003, 12:08 pm

The guy is an idiot and a fool. There's a reason I don't post on the American Conservatives' Forum.

booneoli · Oct 31, 2003, 09:05 pm

Honestly, in my opinion the seperation of "liberals" and "conservatives" is all a bunch of bull. They both call each other names, and they both are hypocrites. I believe that neither one is good nor bad, but this thinking that there is such a gap between them, is such bull. They are more alike than different.

Oct 10, 2003, 02:17 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	be more specific, and keep in mind that not everyone is going to agree with you (you say it as if everyone considers liberals offensive) :) These are just some tips to keep your post a little more interesting. P.S. welcome. So it goes

Oct 10, 2003, 12:26 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	the most offensive thing about liberals is that they demand you live under their oppressive governmental structure exactly as they demand... be a liberal slave... liberal (in america) does not mean liberty and more freedom, in fact it is exactly the opposite... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Oct 10, 2003, 12:34 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Oh yes, because being a wage slave with no social liberties is sooo much better. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 10, 2003, 02:14 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	AK. social liberties? like what? we have all the liberty one can have... remember your liberty stops where the rights of others begin... free fill in the blank for everyone... but some one has to produce the thing or create the service that you wish to force them into giving away freely... how liberal... ff. not at all... "education" has nothing to do with being a liberal... being indoctrinated into thinking and believing along strict party lines is liberal, there is nothing "educated" about it... and unfortunately, the lies and corruption are on the left as well (and imho more so on the left), but you are too "educated" to see that "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Oct 10, 2003, 11:51 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Down Molten Ash Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 30	Both sides have good ideas and bad ideas. You cant really say that liberals are scary. For you, maybe, but for some conservatives are scary. I personally think anybody in the far reaches on either side is pretty messed up. A lot of liberals seem to have a desire for the betterment of humanity, but a lot of times, the way the may choose to go about it will be flawed. With conservatives, they seem to want the betterment of the individual, and as with liberals, the way they choose to go about it is generally flawed. In case you didnt know, I consider myself a left leaning independent. http://www.sixtyten.com/images/siggy.gif <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:gray'>Man is afraid of that which he does not know.</span></span>

Oct 10, 2003, 02:16 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
BendOverDemocrats Guest Posts: n/a	Is it their wacky ideas or actions. Is it their hate speech or lies. What do you find most offensive?

Oct 10, 2003, 02:29 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
BendOverDemocrats Guest Posts: n/a	OK, but this topic did well on an international forum and received many hundreds of interesting replies when I posted this in Europe.

Oct 10, 2003, 03:48 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Godsmom Sedimentary Rock Posts: 20	What I find most offensive are persons who post obnoxious comments with loaded questions whose only interest is to annoy. 1) Every party has wacky ideas, as seen from the other side. 2) Every party does wacky things, as seen from the other side. 3) Hate speech was rasied to art form by the GOP against Clinton 4) Lies go back to the Pleistocene, when Oggle first learned to talk and said to Niceass "Sleep with Oggle. Oggle protect."

Oct 10, 2003, 10:35 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	A) How is being a liberal wacky? Is it because we want equality, using communism, and we want human rights. And we want to stop the innocent deaths of thousands. Or is it that we want to abolish the church in order to further equal and stop discrimination. B) Lies? You my friend obviously don't live in America. I wake up to the morning paper saying some other bush lie. The right wingers are the ones brainwashing the youth, censoring ideas, and squelching free speech. Yeah we have freedom in the US. As long as you have the money.

Oct 10, 2003, 01:21 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	These days in America, anyone educated is considered a Liberal. Education seems to be quite scary to "non-Liberals". Only education can expose the lies and corruption.

Oct 10, 2003, 04:44 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
fedfem Igneous Magma Location: Northeastern, USA Posts: 606	So we as Americans have the liberty to travel anywhere we please? Could you share what lies you are referring to?

Oct 10, 2003, 07:10 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Indoctrination thats a laugh. In the US our nations youth is being brainwashed heavily through the school system and the church. Some liberals, including me, believe in equality and ending opression. I'm a libertarian also, usually authoritain beliefs are held towards the right, but as always their are exceptions. Wage slavery is a right wing belief. Remember there isn't only left and right. There is also Authoritarian and Libertarian.

Oct 11, 2003, 01:45 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	Yawwwwwnnnn.... Sounds like somebody has been listening to too much Sean Hennity. I have to laugh every time I hear one of those right wing fools like that blow hard Limbaugh who looks for most idiotic examples of liberalism and try to tar all liberals with the same brush. Its especially ridiculous when they look at radical feminist, peta people and others and say that this is the true face of liberalism. What they are all ignoring is that we have literaly millions of people without insurace who cannot pay for basic health care. This would be unthinkable in any other industrialized society. We also have an unjust judicial system. The us is the only democratic nation, aside from Japan which retains the death penalty. The US allows guns on its streets, and has an enormous homocide rate and we have an idiot for a president. Its no wonder why no one in the world respects the US. AmeriKKKa can't get its act together and it still carries its big stick around the world?

Oct 15, 2003, 04:10 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Waychel Supercalifragilistic Posts: 431	I would say anyone who goes so far as to create fabrications and ellaborations to justify their philosophy is.. scary. Not all liberals are scary, but the extremists definitely are. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

Oct 15, 2003, 07:42 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	to the originator of this post: hate speech is limited to libertarians? Riighht.. i think someone needs to get un-ignorant quick. Probably one of those fellas who will never accept wrong. projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com

Oct 17, 2003, 10:57 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
karencv Sedimentary Rock Posts: 7	This is a part of a post on the American Conservative Forum..... This followed a 500 word rant about Franklin Roosevelt.... Some liberals may be paving the road to hell with good intentions, but it is not liberals who shoot abortion doctors, or blow up family planning clinics, etc. [quote]Almost half of the time that I spend in productive activity is time I spend for someone else because of you monsters. My life consists only of a series of moments that will eventually end. A good portion of those moments do not belong to me. Your kind has used the law to initiate force against me and rip those moments from my life. You take my time. My time is my life. Ergo, you take my life. Murderer. Slaver. Fascist scum. Why should you be deported? Because this nation exists for human beings. You have long since given up any claim you may have had on such a title. The policies you would support, and institute, require that you, through the state, initiate force agianst me. You cannot, no matter how you EVADE, get around that simple fact. You say you would base laws on 'compassion'. So you would base laws on how you feel? Laws are there to protect people from those who would initiate force against them, they do not exist to make you FEEL better. Our laws should be based on thought, not feeling. All animals FEEL, but you don't see them building civilizations. That is because civilizations are not built on feelings, you fascist pig. I have tried to address the issue of force with some of the other leftist scumbags on this board, but they won't address it because they don't really want to examine that unpleasant, and CRUCIAL axiom of thier philosophy. I wonder, do you have the courage for it?

Oct 17, 2003, 12:08 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	The guy is an idiot and a fool. There's a reason I don't post on the American Conservatives' Forum. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 31, 2003, 09:05 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
booneoli Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	Honestly, in my opinion the seperation of "liberals" and "conservatives" is all a bunch of bull. They both call each other names, and they both are hypocrites. I believe that neither one is good nor bad, but this thinking that there is such a gap between them, is such bull. They are more alike than different.