Never again.

[Mr.Vicchio]

http://shamash.org/holocaust/photos/






Circa 1935: two Jewish pupils are humiliated before their classmates. The inscription on the blackboard reads "The Jew is our greatest enemy, beware of the Jew".

Jesus said (to the Pharisees / Rabbis), "Ye are of your father, the devil ... He was a murderer from the beginning ... he is a liar and the father of it."

[Mr.Vicchio]

So you condone what the Nazi's did?

[Paavo]

I can't see the point in this thread, are we supposed to debate....what exactly? I won't lock it though, maybe you can explain what we're supposed to talk about here. :)

[Mr.Vicchio]

The point of the thread is to give visual aide to those that seem to think Hitler and Co. weren't bad guys and its okay to bash Jews.

What happened in Nazi Germany under the Nazi is beyond the pale.

You can show a picture and caption it to depict anything you wish not proving a thing, it is heresy - gossip. Why not "quote" what is said by the person you are talking about rather than what someone says about them?
Allan

Jesus said (to the Pharisees / Rabbis), "Ye are of your father, the devil ... He was a murderer from the beginning ... he is a liar and the father of it."

[Paavo]

You're obviously talking about Allan.

Now, I haven't been to every thread he's been posting in, but I have yet to read him say that he thinks the nazis were correct with killing huge amounts of people. I have seen him - though - quoting Hitler alot and obviously thinking Hitler had some good ideas and methods. That's not necessarily a bad thing, IMO, I'm sure Hitler did have lots of good ideas and methods. We'll wait and see what Allan has to say.

What happened in Nazi Germany under the Nazi is beyond the pale.

Absolutely.


EDIT: Damn, Allan beat me to it.

You can show a picture and caption it to depict anything you wish not proving a thing, it is heresy - gossip.

I take it you don't believe that these crimes against humanity ever took place?
Wow.

You take a lot incorrectly and have the shoe on the wrong foot.
Allan

[Mr.Vicchio]

He doesn't thats my point.

[PhanthomOps]

Allan:

"Jesus said (to the Pharisees / Rabbis), "Ye are of your father, the devil ... He was a murderer from the beginning ... he is a liar and the father of it." Pray tell - what is the basis of this a--inine statement????

"You can show a picture and caption it to depict anything you wish not proving a thing, it is heresy - gossip. Why not "quote" what is said by the person you are talking about rather than what someone says about them?"


Why not watch the Television documentaries that are shown three to four times a year, which include testimonies from survivers??? Would that be enough proof???

[Mr.Vicchio]

The basis of that statement, by the KING OF THE JEWS, was that the Pharises, were by making their own laws and eschewing the laws of God, by making thier own little rules, ceremonies, and laws, were rejecting the word of God.

What they were doing was, by making 500 little rules and regulations, was to show on the outside, thier piety to God, with laws of men, yet rejecting God in their hearts. Jesus wasn't at all impressed with Hypocrits.

You REALLY should undersstand what Jesus was saying before you try to quote him to justify the Holocaust under Hitler.

[PhanthomOps]

Mr.Vicchio:

If your last post was for me, please rest assured I am completely aware of what Jesus was doing and His intent by making the statement.

I just wanted to find out from Allan just how severe his case of otarectulitis is, and if it can be repaired in his life time.

You mean Rabbi law like the below?

The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament)."

The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may also be seen in the case of the black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians are very knowledgeable of the Old Testament. However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes' Talmud, of which the Ethiopians have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept. 29, 1992, p.4:

"The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their way."

Because they are not traffickers in Talmudic tradition, the black Ethiopian Jews are discriminated against and have been forbidden by the Zionists to perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.

Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish leadership.

N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi's authority:

"Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).

Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik's knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law.

The rabbi's credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain's Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."

The Talmud Nullifies the Bible

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

[Mia]

It was for Allen. but Mr. V., it's not correct for you to say never again. The Palestinians are going through the same thing right now at the hands of many Jews, of all people!

I will be posting a series of pictures of Israli soldiers and Palestinians and they mirror exactly ones of Nazi's and Jews.

Before you say I'm off-topic, your title was poor. Do you mean never again really? or only never again for Jews only to go through this.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Wrong Mia. The Isreali's are not trying to exterminate the Palastinians. They do not teach thier children to kill Palastinians.

You are looking at the Pal/Isreali issue the wrong way.

Its the Isrealis, the Jews who are on the brink of being wIPED off the face of the earth. The arabs would love to do nothing more then "kill every Jew"

I have never seen or heard the Isreali Government express such about the palastinians.

But hey, believe the lies if you want too, believe the propaganda.

[PhanthomOps]

Allan:

A very nice recitation, however, get back to the time that Jesus made the statement to the Pharisees / Rabbis / Scribes, why He said it and why He overturned the money tables, and tables of sacrificial objects.

Jesus condemed the Pharisees, etc., because they were using their position to advance their personal riches and increase their "Holier-than-thou" attitude with the people. They were lording their position over the people and not teaching them the truth.

Oh, and by the way - the Talmud may be the Scriptural authority for Hebrews, but the Bible is for Christians.


Mia,

If you post pictures of the Palestinian / Israeli conflict, you might as well go back to the Pacific operations during World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.

I may be wrong, but in my opinion the original post uses the ethnic cleansing idea, mostly because it eliminated six-million plus Jewish people (men, women and children) and is the most gut-wrenching and vivid example of the epitomization of man's inhumanity to man, and states that we should not let this horrific act be repeated regardless of race.

The Palestinian / Israeli conflict will not end until the suicide bombings do. I am not saying that Israel is not completely with out fault. However, it was Arafat who rejected the 90% worth of concessions, and refused to allow them to be enacted, and went back and started the Fatah insighting the Palestinians againgt Israel.

[Pooeypants]

Err Mr Vic, but just how much more action are the Israelis allowed to take against the Palestinians before it becomes genocide? How many more have to die? Please give me a number if you will.

[PatrickHenry]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, it was Arafat who rejected the 90% worth of concessions, and refused to allow them to be enacted, and went back and started the Fatah insighting the Palestinians againgt Israel.

Your source?

[PhanthomOps]

Pooeypants:

If it was Israel's intent to wipe out the Palestinians, they could have already done so. And, how many more Israelis (women, children and babies) have to die for Allah????


Yo PatrickHenry:

Go back to Camp David - Clinton - Arafat - Baruk.

[PatrickHenry]

You must retract sourceless statements or label them as opinion.