Don't wave Our flag?

[VXerick]

Originally posted by white rice, I wonder if US olympic officials work for the government. One reason they're told not to wave is for a greater diplomatic effort to win back the graces of other countries by appearing humble. Another reason is because it could incite a rowdy crowd and harm the atheletes on that day or other competitions. The possibility of terrorist threats on the Olympic Games is raised because of Americans participating in the games. Just because the Olympics are apolitical doesn't mean that political connotations do not exist.

Well, do you think it would be prudent for our athletes to refrain from going to the Olymipics, then? Or US citizens attending as spectators? If enough people believe the terrorists will strike because of our participation, then wouldn't it be better to stay home and reduce the risk of all the possible bloodshed and loss of life? Are any games worth dying for?

[PhanthomOps]

Young:
Quote: " and let that sink in while you examine the evidence showing that they not only looked the other way leading up to 9/11, they took themselves out of position to save lives during the attacks of 9/11"

And your irrefutable proof is??


VXerick:
Quote: "Well, do you think it would be prudent for our athletes to refrain from going to the Olymipics, then? Or US citizens attending as spectators? If enough people believe the terrorists will strike because of our participation, then wouldn't it be better to stay home and reduce the risk of all the possible bloodshed and loss of life? Are any games worth dying for?"

Then what?? If a shopping mall is attacked, and so on, and so on - are we to hide, cowering in the corner and cutting out paper dolls???

[VXerick]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, VXerick: Quote: "Well, do you think it would be prudent for our athletes to refrain from going to the Olymipics, then? Or US citizens attending as spectators? If enough people believe the terrorists will strike because of our participation, then wouldn't it be better to stay home and reduce the risk of all the possible bloodshed and loss of life? Are any games worth dying for?" Then what?? If a shopping mall is attacked, and so on, and so on - are we to hide, cowering in the corner and cutting out paper dolls???

I know what I would do. I posted the questions to see what others had to say.

[PhanthomOps]

VXerick:

Opps, pardon my impatience :) :)
It will be interesting to see the other comments.

[Young]

Phantom haveyou read the following website? www.wanttoknow.info Every Statement is backed by a major media source. Even a child can add 1 + 1. If you are the President and your the only person who can order a commercial airliner shot down...Volumes are spoken about what kind of leadership you can provide while you sit and listen to children read for 15 Minutes after you learn of the second attack. Your great leader didn't not act because he's an idiot, he didn't act because he needed the Pentagon to be hit to...the people who were working in the area struck must have known too much.


Young

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

With reasoning like that, I hope you are not in a position where lives are on the line. :(

[Young]

The worm at the bottom of a bottle of Tequila don't scare me...I'll put sum Hot sauce on it. So by your reasoning Bush should still be trying to learn to read, hangin outwith some kids...Maybe your right, that would look a whole lot better than jumpin on AF1 and flying around like you were even scared of something.


Young

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Well, that is the reasoning I was speaking of. But specificlly I meant your assumption that he was reading to children just because he said so (in such a convincing manner). Likely the authority was passed on to someone that knew what was going on, but since there was not time to react it really does not matter.

BTW: Just because only the POTUS has the power to order such an attack legally, does not mean someone with enough power to do so illegally would not have had it been possible, and risked the courts martial. They caught us with our pants down and you want to blame the POTUS, how cute.

EDIT: When the life of the POTUS is in danger the secret service does not accept orders to be brave and daring. Besides what could he have done? Played Rambo and leaped onto the offending aircraft? You watch too many movies.

[Young]

as of august 6th 2001 Bush knew of possible attaks in NY and DC, but Guiliani said he wasn't informed, a month and 5 days...and no one calls the maor of NYC.


Young

[PhanthomOps]

VXerick:

I know what I would do also. Many on this post might not like it, but they can either get over it or under it.


Young:
Quote: "Phantom haveyou read the following website? www.wanttoknow.info Every Statement is backed by a major media source. Even a child can add 1 + 1. If you are the President and your the only person who can order a commercial airliner shot down...Volumes are spoken about what kind of leadership you can provide while you sit and listen to children read for 15 Minutes after you learn of the second attack. Your great leader didn't not act because he's an idiot, he didn't act because he needed the Pentagon to be hit to...the people who were working in the area struck must have known too much."

Yeah, major media sources aimed at discrediting President Bush, and causing divisions in the American polulous - just what the terrorists want and like since they don't have to pay for it.

If I am not mistaken, the first hit was considered an accident, and after the second one the Secret Service immediately removed him from the classroom. And his being placed on Air Force 1, is Secret Service SOP in cases of this nature - and if he was so scared, why did he go to Iraq???

Boy do you have a serious case of "conspiracy theory" that must really be eating away at you. If as you say you have so much proof, then why not run for office???

GreatWyrm:
Very good points - Thanks :)


Young:
The word "possible" has many ambiguous meannings - where? when? by what means? by who exactly? etc. Mayor Guilliani was aware of the possibility - but what can he or the federal government do without specific information? Let's be real, you assssssume too much.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, Young: Quote: "Phantom haveyou read the following website? www.wanttoknow.info Every Statement is backed by a major media source. Even a child can add 1 + 1. If you are the President and your the only person who can order a commercial airliner shot down...Volumes are spoken about what kind of leadership you can provide while you sit and listen to children read for 15 Minutes after you learn of the second attack. Your great leader didn't not act because he's an idiot, he didn't act because he needed the Pentagon to be hit to...the people who were working in the area struck must have known too much." Yeah, major media sources aimed at discrediting President Bush, and causing divisions in the American polulous - just what the terrorists want and like since they don't have to pay for it. If I am not mistaken, the first hit was considered an accident, and after the second one the Secret Service immediately removed him from the classroom. And his being placed on Air Force 1, is Secret Service SOP in cases of this nature - and if he was so scared, why did he go to Iraq???

Checking my all too vivid recollection of that day, I remember watching it live and hearing the commentators speculate as to the cause of the first tower crash. Off-course business jet, small private plane, etc. Nobody had a clue, which was certainly understandable. They were still guessing when I saw the second plane come into the side of the picture. They didn't even seem to notice that one until it hit.

As far as Bush going to Iraq though, I think that was a dumb stunt for two reasons. One, it was a dumb PUBLICITY stunt to show the masses that the war was well in hand and our man from Crawford was the ballsy, take-charge kind of guy he wants us to think he is. And slipping in, feeding a dozen or so soldiers Thanksgiving dinner and slipping out again was pointless. Bob Hope showed his support for the troops and exposed himself to danger much more than Bush's media event.
Two, he had no business going there in the first place. Even if there's a HINT of danger, the fool should remember he is the PRESIDENT and was not elected to take personal risks. This solidifies my belief that this was a stunt, nothing more. It reminded me of the first Star Trek series, where at the first sign of peril the captain would make a beeline for the transporter and head for where the danger was. Good TV but stupid in real life. The second series did it better, where the second in command would say. "yo captain, you stay put like you're supposed to and I'LL go to the hot spot".

I've made no secret of my feeling that George Bush is (although likable and amiable) ignoratnt, arrogant, and an intellectual ightweight (who doesn't read the news anyway) who had no business being elected president. Having said that though, unless shown absolutely rock-solid PROOF of his involvement, I can never believe that he could have known specifically that 9/11 was goiung to happen or have had any involvement in it. I can (and do) believe an awful lot of nasty crap about people, but that charge even stretches MY ability to embrace that possibility.

[PhanthomOps]

Scribbler1:

You make some very good points.

However, UN Resolution 1441 passed vith a 15-0 vote. Personally, I feel at this time if the UN hadn't put their collective tails up their collective wimp a--es and acted to enact the "consequences" clause as they had threatened, perhaps Saddam would have backed down, especially as he now faced not only the UN working together (hope beyond hope), but their consent for military action.

I respect you position, and appreciate your openness. :) :)

[Young]

Phantom - Major media sources wanting to DEcredit Bush like FOX news, Or Christian Science monitor? Your also wrong on the second strike, Andy Card is video taped telling Bush of the Second attack and then 15 Minutes pass before Bush Leaves Emma Elementary look ( http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...restingday.html ) This is a timeline of Bush's movements on that day, all video documented. Now if you'll just go back and fully read www.wanttoknow.info and then Look Up...Think...Bush planned 9/11? Without it...No Iraq, Pipelines through or Herion coming out of Afghanistan, and his Presidency amounts to what...CRAP!



Young

[PhanthomOps]

Young:

Could it have been that since he could not change the events, and they were still checking the facts, he didn't want to frighten the children as they would learn soon enough.

Right Bush planned 9/11. If that was so and could be proven, do you think for one minute that the Democrats wouldn't have been all over him like fleas/fly on s--t???????

Get real, this is exactly what they would have used not only to discredit him, but impeach him, tar & feather him, and ride him out of town on a rail.

I'm sorry that you wish to believe the worse in people, and your blinders are on so tight it is affecting your reasoning abilities. :( :(

Originally posted by VXerick, We are not being overcharged for oil, including gasoline. We'll pay what the market will bear. If you don't want to pay the asking price, don't buy it. If enough people stop using it, the supply would overtake the demand, and prices would drop of their own accord.

This is true, but unfortunately not realistic. People are going to continue to consume gasoline to commute to thier jobs and go about their lives just as sure as they will breathe deep and take in oxygen and nourishment.

Oh, and as far as my flag goes? Men and women have died for that flag, and I will wave it where and when I damn well please, and I WILL fight anyone who tries to stop me.

[PhanthomOps]

URnotmeRU:

I like your name - welcome aboard - from your comments so far, you are going to have a ball!!!!! :)

Quote: "Oh, and as far as my flag goes? Men and women have died for that flag, and I will wave it where and when I damn well please, and I WILL fight anyone who tries to stop me."

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT-ON - AS A DAV (USAF) I AGREE - LOCK & LOAD

Thanks for the welcome, and I do believe you're right. I will enjoy my stay here.

[PhanthomOps]

URnotmeRU:

Rock On, Keep On Trucking, Let's Rock & Roll & Kick Some Butt !!! :) :)

[Young]

Whose Butt? Some Democrats?...I'm a Republican, but this False Prophet Bush of yours isn't Republican. We should wave Our flag, but first one of you will need to retrieve Our flag from the people who have stolen it and Our country.


Young