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[G. Adams]

I never said extermination.

Anyone who supports exploitation should be argued against. But anyone who fights against a populace to maintain that exploitation should be fought against. I'll shed no tears for their death.

[Impenitent]

you didn't? just "vote" them out of society... they will fade away... the logical conclusion of that argument is extermination... but don't try to sell the line of equality and freedom... you are advocating a position of enslaving everyone into a communal society, those who don't play by your rules, or the mob's rules, are voted out... that is not equal or free, it is slavery to a new and improved system... "my way or the highway" ... too egocentric? "OUR way or the highway..." is just as exploitative...

[G. Adams]

No, "our way or the highway" rather than "my way or the highway" would be a majority in power, whereas the other would be a minority, which is the current system.

I was however talking about a revolution. I'll type this out again for you. A majority come to favour socialism or communism. They have done this in a liberal, democratic and capitalist society (all of these are prerequisites I have stated). They no longer wish a minority to exploit a majority. Thus they demand a socialist or communist system. The minority do as governments always do, seek self preservation. The only way for a government to do that against a majority is to attack the majority and its rights. Once that has happened, the majority is justified in eliminating that group which is persecuting it. Once the majority is successful, there will be no governing minority left, thus it can then proceed with building its society.

[Impenitent]

exactly... kill the minority... eliminate the scourge of the planet so that the new majority can impose their new socialist and communist system... glorious revolution... the majority got pissed and had to overthrow the ruling minority...

what makes your system any better than hitlers? he promised liberal democratic socialist utopia to his followers too... or did you miss that? promises of heaven only if we can kill and destroy the the ruling minority...

kill the world...

[G. Adams]

Hitler promised a liberal, democratic and socialist utopia to his followers? I think not. He was nationalistic. I'm not preaching that. He wanted to kill people on the basis of their ethnicity. I don't. He believed in hiearchy, and of the total submission to the leader. I don't.

I don't want to kill the capitalist minority. I would want them to listen to the majority and accept that it has no right to exploit the majority any longer. If however the use force and infringe on individual rights in order to continue their exploitation, then force against them is justified.

This has nothing to do with Hitlers ideas. He wished to cleanse the world of beings that he deemed imperfect. I want to end exploitation, and if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it, but it is a last resort.

[Impenitent]

G.

1. "Hitler promised a liberal, democratic and socialist utopia to his followers? I think not." what then did he promise? death and toil and misery? the nazis were the national socialists not the national fascists although socialists are woe to admit it... "He believed in hiearchy, and of the total submission to the leader. I don't." ... no, you believe in hierarchy of revolutionaries killing everyone who does not agree to total submission to the will of the communist mob... it is the same thing... submit to this authority, hitler or the communist mob, it is the same exploitation and I don't know why you can't see that...

2. "I don't want to kill the capitalist minority. I would want them to listen to the majority and accept that it has no right to exploit the majority any longer." I don't want to have to kill them, I want them to willingly submit themselves into slavery for the glorious communist mob... mind you they will be killed if they do not submit to the authority and exploitation of the communist mob... they don't have the right to exploit but we have the right to exploit and kill them... we are justified and they aren't... hail the glorious communist mob... seig heil

3. "This has nothing to do with Hitlers ideas. He wished to cleanse the world of beings that he deemed imperfect." but if they will not listen to the majority they must be cleansed as well... "if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it"

as I said before, when do we board the trains for Auschwitz?

[G. Adams]

Once again you assume because someone claims a name for themself it actually makes them what they say. I hope no-one ever tells you they are the messiah.
First of all 'National Socialist' is an oxymoron. Socialists are not interested in nationalism at all, they focus on class differences and are internationalists. We want to dissolve borders and states, while Hitler was wanting his to be reborn.
Hitler promised the Germans that if they did as he said he would provide them a utopia. Not a liberal, democratic one. This utopia was based upon a romantic notion of Germanies past, where all the men were strong, blonde and blue eyed, and the women were beautiful, teutonic mothers. Where strong brave Germans defeated the weak but cunning Jew's who were trying to control them.
If you look into Hitlers speech's you'll see how he attacks Jewish people by claiming that they are trying to create a liberal, or socialist, or communist state in order to protect themselves and control the German people. He attacked Marx and Trotsky because they were Jewish communists.
Hitler was a fascist, Nazism is a particular branch of fascism.

I believe in the hiearchy of revolutionaries killing oppressors? Not quite. I believe that if the ruling, exploitative minority does not peacefully hand over power to the majority then there will be a clash of forces. There is no hiearchy in this. Both sides will try and defeat each other. If the ruling minority succeeds, it will only be temporary, because the original problems that caused the revolution will not disapear. However if the majority wins, then the problems will disapear with the exploiting minority.

Submit to the authority of hitler or the communist mob...why can't you see that currently the majority have to submit to the authority of the ruling minority? Any attempts to change things for the better for the majority, without damaging the rights of minorities, leads to suppression? Trade Union rights get cut, protesters and strikers are attacked, dispersed or killed. Government intelligence agencies spy on people for enacting their democratic rights, all in the name of protecting democracy? What hyppocracy. The ruling minority seeks to maintain its position over the majority. At least if the rulers are the majority, a majority benefit rather than a single minority.

[G. Adams]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
G.

1. "Hitler promised a liberal, democratic and socialist utopia to his followers? I think not." what then did he promise? death and toil and misery? the nazis were the national socialists not the national fascists although socialists are woe to admit it... "He believed in hiearchy, and of the total submission to the leader. I don't." ... no, you believe in hierarchy of revolutionaries killing everyone who does not agree to total submission to the will of the communist mob... it is the same thing... submit to this authority, hitler or the communist mob, it is the same exploitation and I don't know why you can't see that...

2. "I don't want to kill the capitalist minority. I would want them to listen to the majority and accept that it has no right to exploit the majority any longer." I don't want to have to kill them, I want them to willingly submit themselves into slavery for the glorious communist mob... mind you they will be killed if they do not submit to the authority and exploitation of the communist mob... they don't have the right to exploit but we have the right to exploit and kill them... we are justified and they aren't... hail the glorious communist mob... seig heil

3. "This has nothing to do with Hitlers ideas. He wished to cleanse the world of beings that he deemed imperfect." but if they will not listen to the majority they must be cleansed as well... "if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it"

as I said before, when do we board the trains for Auschwitz?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

2. I don't want them to submit to the communist majority, I want them to agree with, support and engage with the communist majority. And they will not be killed fo disagreeing or for not submitting to the communists, it is when they attack the majority to retain there own power that their killing becomes justified.
And it is not a case of the majority exploiting the minority, the minority will be removed from power and then, like everybody else, will work for themselves from the public, collective resources (though will not be allowed to do so at other expense). The change is that instead of other people working for them, now they will work for themselves.
And the majority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation.

3. The communists majority would not be cleansing the exploitative minority. They would be fighting against them. It is not the case of Germany, where an innocent minority was rounded up and executed. This would be the minority attacking the majority, and the majority respondin likewise.

And I will repeat my quote that you so happily cut to make it look bad.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
I want to end exploitation, and if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it, but it is a last resort.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

[Impenitent]

G.

1. promises of heaven are promises of heaven... utopia? follow me...
the foolish leading the stupid... utopia is still a pipe dream and your perfect society is exactly as brutal as hitlers... if you don't agree, we'll kill you... a tyrant is a tyrant... die for god, die for the reich, die for the communists... all you do is kill and call it equal and better... seig heil

2. ..." However if the majority wins, then the problems will disapear with the exploiting minority." ... and when we have finished killing all the jews the glory of the reich will shine for all... seig heil

3. -"The ruling minority seeks to maintain its position over the majority."
no, the free individual struggles to remain in free control over himself by growing stronger... submission to the group, any group, especially the democratic benevolent communist majority is exploitation...

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2. "I don't want them to submit to the communist majority, I want them to agree with, support and engage with the communist majority." I don't want them to submit to the communist authority, I just demand they become enslaved to the communist majority... you don't give them the option of remaining free, you sentence them to death...
"And they will not be killed fo disagreeing or for not submitting to the communists, it is when they attack the majority to retain there own power that their killing becomes justified." but when they refuse to submit to the will of the communist majority they are against the will of the communist majority... that justifies your killing them? but if they don't physically attack you are you justified in killing them? it seems all you want to do is murder for the communist mob...
"And it is not a case of the majority exploiting the minority, the minority will be removed from power and then, like everybody else, will work for themselves from the public, collective resources (though will not be allowed to do so at other expense)." until the majority becomes the slave masters and demands certain behavior from everyone...
"The change is that instead of other people working for them, now they will work for themselves." that is no change... people work for themselves as it is... people need to work for the collective so that no one has anything and all have equal misery? sorry... the communist/anarchist system doesn't work...
"And the majority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation." and the minority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation... but the glorious reich shall rise like the phoenix and burn all those who dissent with the righteous majority... seig heil

3. "The communists majority would not be cleansing the exploitative minority. They would be fighting against them." fighting against them?!? slapping them around with dead fish? fighting them with kisses? give me a break! at least have the balls to say what you are going to do... if you want the minority to wither away so the majority can have their fun, say so... quit trying to hide your desire to kill everone who doesn't agree with the communist plan... you have said it plenty times before "I want to end exploitation, and if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it, but it is a last resort." all you want is bloodshed because very few will go along with your communist scheme... you say I cut your quote to make you look bad? all you do is argue for organized murder, that looks bad enough on its own...

[G. Adams]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
G.

1. promises of heaven are promises of heaven... utopia? follow me...
the foolish leading the stupid... utopia is still a pipe dream and your perfect society is exactly as brutal as hitlers... if you don't agree, we'll kill you... a tyrant is a tyrant... die for god, die for the reich, die for the communists... all you do is kill and call it equal and better... seig heil

2. ..." However if the majority wins, then the problems will disapear with the exploiting minority." ... and when we have finished killing all the jews the glory of the reich will shine for all... seig heil

3. -"The ruling minority seeks to maintain its position over the majority."
no, the free individual struggles to remain in free control over himself by growing stronger... submission to the group, any group, especially the democratic benevolent communist majority is exploitation...

II
2. "I don't want them to submit to the communist majority, I want them to agree with, support and engage with the communist majority." I don't want them to submit to the communist authority, I just demand they become enslaved to the communist majority... you don't give them the option of remaining free, you sentence them to death...
"And they will not be killed fo disagreeing or for not submitting to the communists, it is when they attack the majority to retain there own power that their killing becomes justified." but when they refuse to submit to the will of the communist majority they are against the will of the communist majority... that justifies your killing them? but if they don't physically attack you are you justified in killing them? it seems all you want to do is murder for the communist mob...
"And it is not a case of the majority exploiting the minority, the minority will be removed from power and then, like everybody else, will work for themselves from the public, collective resources (though will not be allowed to do so at other expense)." until the majority becomes the slave masters and demands certain behavior from everyone...
"The change is that instead of other people working for them, now they will work for themselves." that is no change... people work for themselves as it is... people need to work for the collective so that no one has anything and all have equal misery? sorry... the communist/anarchist system doesn't work...
"And the majority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation." and the minority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation... but the glorious reich shall rise like the phoenix and burn all those who dissent with the righteous majority... seig heil

3. "The communists majority would not be cleansing the exploitative minority. They would be fighting against them." fighting against them?!? slapping them around with dead fish? fighting them with kisses? give me a break! at least have the balls to say what you are going to do... if you want the minority to wither away so the majority can have their fun, say so... quit trying to hide your desire to kill everone who doesn't agree with the communist plan... you have said it plenty times before "I want to end exploitation, and if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it, but it is a last resort." all you want is bloodshed because very few will go along with your communist scheme... you say I cut your quote to make you look bad? all you do is argue for organized murder, that looks bad enough on its own...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

*sighs* Your not even trying to understand what I write are you? I hate language too, such a shoddy tool for conveying ideas, but its the best I've got right now, so your gonna have to try.

Heaven is something you may find yourself in when your dead. Utopia is something we can work towards while we are alive.

1. No, I don't want to kill people who disagree. I want to stop people exploiting others, get it? If they don't agree, fine, as long as they don't attack us. That minority can seperate away from the rest of us if they want. Hell, we could offer them a big chunk of land and they can practice their capitalism there in peace. If they don't all kill each other trying to define who owns the resources that is. But the minority of individuals has no right to stop a majority of individuals pursuing their goals, as long as the majority is not infringing the minorities human rights.

Actually, if all the capitalists were moved out of their power and onto a country of their own, I would bet that if they didn't all kill each other, they would form some sort of socialist society, because they would then realise that the only way everyone in society can live decent lives is through a socialist model.

2. The Jews were an innocent minority. They did not take power and use that power to exploit the majority. There was no reason for them to be slaughtered.

Similarly, there is no reason for us to just kill the capitalists. If they follow the democratic principle and allow a communist movement to grow unhindered, eventually gracefully stepping down from power as they should, then there would be no reason for bloodshed.

However, if in a bid to stay in power they begin killing and attacking the communists, the communists are justified in protecting themselves and their movement.

There is no comparision here between my proposals and Hitler. So stop making tired, twisted comparisons.

3. No, the ruling minority does seek to stay in control. Read your Machievelli. This is why communists and anarchists oppose a government to control the system. The free individual only remains so under capitalism by exploiting others. Few are free under capitalism.

4. In what way do these people become enslaved?? Under capitalism I must work for somebody else. Under communism, I work for ME. The fruits of my labour may be distributed to others, but only in the knowledge that they likewise return the favour. Under capitalism the fruits of my labour go to the owner, in the knowledge that I get less than a 10th of what I put in back.

Until the majority enslave the majority? You mean, !!SHOCK HORROR!! everyone has equal power over each other, rather than a minority ensaving the majority? Oh no, how terrible.

5. As I have stated the minority will not be exploited by the majority. The minority will lose their power, and then have as much as everyone else. Thus they become part of the majority. Creating a classless society.

6. I was correct and particular about saying we would be fighting not cleansing. Cleansing suggests there is something impure to be cleansed. That is not what is happening. The minority is trying to continue to exploit the majority (which you seem to have no problem with), and the majority are trying to end that. The minority attack the majority. The majority attack back. Yes there will be bloodshed. Yes many will be killed. But I will not sit around watching the many being exploited by the few, people dying of starvation for the profit of a few. I will not do these things in order to save lives. Why live if you live in abject misery, you only purpose being to sustain this minority, that cares not in the slightest about you.

[Impenitent]

G.

1. "Your not even trying to understand what I write are you? " yes I understand completely what you are saying, contradictions and pretty flowery LIES to convince yourself that you are justified in your dreams of world domination... it ain't cutting it here... "Utopia is something we can work towards while we are alive." utopia for who? like minded sheeple?!? no, you want to impose your utopia on everyone but are afraid to admit it...

"No, I don't want to kill people who disagree. I want to stop people exploiting others, get it? " by exploiting the exploiters... I see all too clearly...
"as long as the majority is not infringing the minorities human rights." who is to stop them? the mob police? the human rights police? very governmental...

"Similarly, there is no reason for us to just kill the capitalists. If they follow the democratic principle and allow a communist movement to grow unhindered, eventually gracefully stepping down from power as they should, then there would be no reason for bloodshed. "

If they'd only be good communist slaves we wouldn't have to kill them...

roll over and play dead like a good doggie...

"There is no comparision here between my proposals and Hitler. So stop making tired, twisted comparisons." a TOTALITARIAN is a TOTALITARIAN... hitler or the communist party... same difference, you are a slave but you don't see it... oh no government, just the communist mob making demands about how you live...

"No, the ruling minority does seek to stay in control."

everybody... EVERYBODY wants to rule the world... especially your communist mob

"Under capitalism I must work for somebody else. "

right, and your paycheck goes directly to this someone else, you are not compensated at all...

"everyone has equal power over each other" and NO ONE HAS POWER OVER HIMSELF

"As I have stated the minority will not be exploited by the majority. The minority will lose their power, and then have as much as everyone else."
the minority will lose their power? that IS EXPLOITATION... STEALING THAT WHICH ISN'T YOURS... but everyone will have it then... no, that is not how humans work..."Thus they become part of the majority. Creating a classless society." no all that creates is dispoessed people who are peeved at you for stealing from them, the cycle of violence continues...

"I was correct and particular about saying we would be fighting not cleansing" same difference... one is dead for motive x, the other is dead for motive y... dead = dead...

"The minority is trying to continue to exploit the majority (which you seem to have no problem with), and the majority are trying to end that." by exploiting them back? no that will not work... have to kill them... " The minority attack the majority. The majority attack back. Yes there will be bloodshed. Yes many will be killed." the new majority exploits the new minority... fractions split, human emotions run high and free, greed flourishes and the minority attack the majority again... never ending cycle of death and rebirth...

"But I will not sit around watching the many being exploited by the few, people dying of starvation for the profit of a few. " so instead of giving them bread you decide to murder the evil capitalist baker so no one gets bread... how equal of you!

"I will not do these things in order to save lives. " have fun on your communist jihad...