Ron Paul 2008 Presidential bid...

[Bob652]

Quote by: Deadeye You don't care what the enemy thinks? How then are you going to fight him? What? Oh, you don't want to fight? I've go it. You want to give in to the enemy...Islamo terrorists. You like those guys. For some unknown and unfathonable reason you believe that the people of the United States would benefit if we lost to the terrorists. I am not clairvoyant. But as a military man we had to predict what the enemy would do in time of war so that we could come up with a contengency plan to thwart him. You, I believe are busy jamming your head in the sand. You are ignoring the fact that we are at war. We are AT WAR! I suggest that you remove your head from that hole in the sand and look at the situation realistically.

The real terrorists and traitors are the politicians who have been bought and paid for by the Zionist lobby to spend our American blood and money to fight those who the Israeli government perceives to be Israel's enemies. Terrorism begets terrorism. Iraq did not attacks us, they did not have WMD, and they did not crash any planes into the Twin towers.The Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, have been terrorized since the 1930's by Zionist terrorists who had already begun their ethnic cleansing to create a European style Jewish state. The underlying cancer in the region is the Palestinian issue that has been magnified by our complete disregard and disrespect for the national sovereignty and cultural heritage of the indigenous people.
This murderous fiasco in Iraq, in addition to thousands of human lives, is costing us 3 billion dollars a week while nearly 50% of our taxpayers can't afford health insurance, those that can can't afford enough of it, our schools are failing, our hurricane ridden cities are still anguishing, our economy is falling apart, our jobs are being exported, our social security system is in disarray, our constitutional rights are being violated , and scandalous abuses of prisoners and military courts have cast a shadow of shame on our country.
Getting out of Iraq would not be a defeat. It would be a first step toward protecting America first. The defeat was getting involved with it.

[Osborn F Enready]

WELL SAID BOB!

(clap clap clap clap!)

...I couldn't agree more sir.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Bob652 The real terrorists and traitors are the politicians who have been bought and paid for by the Zionist lobby to spend our American blood and money to fight those who the Israeli government perceives to be Israel's enemies. Terrorism begets terrorism. Iraq did not attacks us, they did not have WMD, and they did not crash any planes into the Twin towers.The Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, have been terrorized since the 1930's by Zionist terrorists who had already begun their ethnic cleansing to create a European style Jewish state. The underlying cancer in the region is the Palestinian issue that has been magnified by our complete disregard and disrespect for the national sovereignty and cultural heritage of the indigenous people. This murderous fiasco in Iraq, in addition to thousands of human lives, is costing us 3 billion dollars a week while nearly 50% of our taxpayers can't afford health insurance, those that can can't afford enough of it, our schools are failing, our hurricane ridden cities are still anguishing, our economy is falling apart, our jobs are being exported, our social security system is in disarray, our constitutional rights are being violated , and scandalous abuses of prisoners and military courts have cast a shadow of shame on our country. Getting out of Iraq would not be a defeat. It would be a first step toward protecting America first. The defeat was getting involved with it.

I can't respond to your post Bob. As far as I can see, you are one sick dude. I'm not trying to be disparaging or insulting. But my friend.....I can't believe what you've posted. I don't know what to say.....you have blown my mind.

[Milton Bradley]

Well Deadeye, start your Googling with The Stern Gang, and then perhaps Google a few of those reports they cite.


Isreal was created by the powers that be ( US, England, France, The UN ), after negotiating with Zionist terrorists. Then those same entities quickly adopted a "no negotiating with terrorists policy".


After all, they couldn't have both sides of the conflict using the same negotiating techniques. That might have created some sort of level playing field.


One side of this conflict has a long tradition of using unapproved tactics.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Bob652 The real terrorists and traitors are the politicians who have been bought and paid for by the Zionist lobby to spend our American blood and money to fight those who the Israeli government perceives to be Israel's enemies. Terrorism begets terrorism. Iraq did not attacks us, they did not have WMD, and they did not crash any planes into the Twin towers.The Palestinians, both Muslim and Christian, have been terrorized since the 1930's by Zionist terrorists who had already begun their ethnic cleansing to create a European style Jewish state. The underlying cancer in the region is the Palestinian issue that has been magnified by our complete disregard and disrespect for the national sovereignty and cultural heritage of the indigenous people. This murderous fiasco in Iraq, in addition to thousands of human lives, is costing us 3 billion dollars a week while nearly 50% of our taxpayers can't afford health insurance, those that can can't afford enough of it, our schools are failing, our hurricane ridden cities are still anguishing, our economy is falling apart, our jobs are being exported, our social security system is in disarray, our constitutional rights are being violated , and scandalous abuses of prisoners and military courts have cast a shadow of shame on our country. Getting out of Iraq would not be a defeat. It would be a first step toward protecting America first. The defeat was getting involved with it.

What you have pointed out is that Religion is the cause of terrorism, and perhaps behind the related war in Iraq.

Clearly religion of an Islamic nature is involved, the Jewish religion and nationality is involved, and our right-wing Christian fundamentalists are likewise involved - in support of Israel, which might be one motive for the Islamic hatred of America.

This would mean that somehow religions have unconsitutionally taken control of our government relative to our international policies concerning the middle east can at other Islamic locations. As the Christians are hoping the Jewish people rebuild the temple so that bilblical predictions can happen relative to the return of Jesus. And a Islamic monument is now built in that location. So we are spending millions (billions) to defend our self from those Islamic religions that know about this plot and are attacking us for our support of Israel and it's highly conservative government.

Therefore, religious fundamentalism is attempting to direct governmental policy, both here, and in many Islamic governements, and now in Israel. Not sure if the U.N. is so influenced based on those factors, but clearly the majority of U.N. nations view islamic countires as being unstable, radical, or not trustworthy (as evidenced in current rules being demanded to not allow Iran to have nuclear abilities). And yet the U.N. does not treat the Jewish or Christian nations being controlled by religious fundamentalism equally.

Therefore I do not think that Jewish fundamentalism is totally to blame, but feel that "religious fundamentalism" per-see is to blame, as expressed by more then just one religion and/or country.

[Osborn F Enready]

I don't think Deadeye understands the meaning of "blowback" regarding foreign policy.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Well Deadeye, start your Googling with The Stern Gang, and then perhaps Google a few of those reports they cite. Isreal was created by the powers that be ( US, England, France, The UN ), after negotiating with Zionist terrorists. Then those same entities quickly adopted a "no negotiating with terrorists policy". After all, they couldn't have both sides of the conflict using the same negotiating techniques. That might have created some sort of level playing field. One side of this conflict has a long tradition of using unapproved tactics.

I have never seen Israelies as terrorists. As I see it they have turned the land that they occuppy into a very successful place and they have not attacked their Arab neighbors until they have been struck. If left alone Israel would create even more prosperity in the region, which would aid the Arab who live there as well.

Also Israel supports the establishment of a Palestinians state. Something that would aid the Palestinians as well. I'm sure that the Israelies would aid the new Palestinian State as well. They'd probably fund investment, job growth and help rebuild the place.

You can hate Jews all that you want, and it appears obvious to me that you do and will continue to do so, no matter what the Jews to in order to make the place peaceful and prosperous.

I'm wondering what the super rich Arab states have done for the Palestinians.......let's see, I'm thinking........how about zilch?

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I don't think Deadeye understands the meaning of "blowback" regarding foreign policy.

You're right. I don't think I've ever heard the term. I'd probably understand the concept however. I'm pretty good that way.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Technosoul What you have pointed out is that Religion is the cause of terrorism, and perhaps behind the related war in Iraq. Clearly religion of an Islamic nature is involved, the Jewish religion and nationality is involved, and our right-wing Christian fundamentalists are likewise involved - in support of Israel, which might be one motive for the Islamic hatred of America. This would mean that somehow religions have unconsitutionally taken control of our government relative to our international policies concerning the middle east can at other Islamic locations. As the Christians are hoping the Jewish people rebuild the temple so that bilblical predictions can happen relative to the return of Jesus. And a Islamic monument is now built in that location. So we are spending millions (billions) to defend our self from those Islamic religions that know about this plot and are attacking us for our support of Israel and it's highly conservative government. Therefore, religious fundamentalism is attempting to direct governmental policy, both here, and in many Islamic governements, and now in Israel. Not sure if the U.N. is so influenced based on those factors, but clearly the majority of U.N. nations view islamic countires as being unstable, radical, or not trustworthy (as evidenced in current rules being demanded to not allow Iran to have nuclear abilities). And yet the U.N. does not treat the Jewish or Christian nations being controlled by religious fundamentalism equally. Therefore I do not think that Jewish fundamentalism is totally to blame, but feel that "religious fundamentalism" per-see is to blame, as expressed by more then just one religion and/or country.

Nope, it's just not so.

Christianity has nothing whatsoever with the formation of American foreign policy, or our actions in the Middle East.

We do and have supported Israel and it has nothing to do with religion. We believed in 1948 that the establishment of an Israelie state in Palestine was a good idea. We also felt very sorry for the WWII experiences of the Jews. Furthermore it appeared that Palestine was in turmoil and we believed and rightly so that and Israel presence would bring prosperity to the region. It has and would be even more successful today that it is if the Arab nations would just all agree to allow the place to be.

The source of friction in the Mid-East is based upon a deep seated Muslim hatred of the Jews. Sure it's more complex than that, but if the Arab nations would embrace the Jewish presence peace would be so much more at hand.

Seems to me that a lot of people posting here hate Jews. It seems very strange and old fashioned to me. It also seems very wrong.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Deadeye I have never seen Israelies as terrorists.

I wasn't asking you to take my word for it.

Quote by: Deadeye Also Israel supports the establishment of a Palestinians state.

Good to know, but I don't think that will go very far towards making the situation any better. ( Your feeling about it that is. )

Quote by: Deadeye You can hate Jews all that you want, and it appears obvious to me that you do and will continue to do so, no matter what the Jews to in order to make the place peaceful and prosperous.

Hmmm, I'm not aware of hating Jews per'se, just the lying, agenda driven, Zionist Jews whos inability to get along with their neighbors ( of their own choosing ), has caused the conflict to involve the entire world.

Quote by: Deadeye I'm wondering what the super rich Arab states have done for the Palestinians.......let's see, I'm thinking........how about zilch?

I thought that's who Israel blamed for all the financing to justify those attacks


Anyway, it probably has more to do with how those recieving the aid choose to spend that money. Like Isreal takes the billions of American humanitarian aid we give them, and then turn, and spend that exact amount on arms.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Deadeye Nope, it's just not so. Christianity has nothing whatsoever with the formation of American foreign policy, or our actions in the Middle East. We do and have supported Israel and it has nothing to do with religion. We believed in 1948 that the establishment of an Israelie state in Palestine was a good idea. We also felt very sorry for the WWII experiences of the Jews. Furthermore it appeared that Palestine was in turmoil and we believed and rightly so that and Israel presence would bring prosperity to the region. It has and would be even more successful today that it is if the Arab nations would just all agree to allow the place to be. The source of friction in the Mid-East is based upon a deep seated Muslim hatred of the Jews. Sure it's more complex than that, but if the Arab nations would embrace the Jewish presence peace would be so much more at hand. Seems to me that a lot of people posting here hate Jews. It seems very strange and old fashioned to me. It also seems very wrong.

I have no resentment about Jews, having once dated on and often attended their religious gatherings with her, " dancing through the fire'.

I do not like the right-wing consevative government now in power in Israel.

The present day people in America support Israel for the reason that I stated. Ronald Reagan was one example of that.

Anyone who has attended a Christian religion here in the USA that teaches about the "end times" relative to biblical writings knows what I am talking about.

[Osborn F Enready]

Deadeye said: You're right. I don't think I've ever heard the term. I'd probably understand the concept however. I'm pretty good that way.

Well, here is a prime opprotunity for you to educate yourself on the term, its use, meaning and application.

Main Entry: blow·back
Pronunciation: 'blO-"bak
Function: noun
: an unforeseen and unwanted effect, result, or set of repercussions
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary

An article concerning the term as used in the context of this discussion:
Blowback

A clippet on youtube, regarding blowback.
YouTube - Blowback definition

Ron Paul schooling Hannity on blowback:
Crooks and Liars » Ron Paul Schools Hannity on “Blowback”

Mises speaks to Ron Pauls take on blowback due to foreign policy:
Ron Paul on Blowback - Mises Institute




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