Ron Paul 2008 Presidential bid...

[bishop]

Quote by: xyzer I think you are using a fair bit of editorial license in this statement brien? Is he the onlycandidate for reforming the income tax? What is true tax reform? I'll join the crowd on tax reform. I think the current tax rules are ridiculously complicated and need to be simplified. That comes up before every election and Congress does nothing but worry about the Iraqi War or some other event that does nothing to help the indivual worker in this country. Can you insure me that good old Ron can really sway his comrades in our legislature to do something? Will he have any more clout as president? Campaign rhetoric is cheap. I suggest we ignore these political creatures who mutter unintelligeable generalties as they perch on the swinging branches of media nonsense. Paul is just one more political ape!

the sad thing about the electorate is concerned is that most voters don't seem to understand that taxation and spending go hand in hand... people love to hear about tax cuts, but never have the stomach for the necessary spending cuts. others would advocate the tax cuts even without spending cuts, which is the epitomy of irresponsibility imo.

you'll be hard pressed to find a single candidate other than paul who can be trusted to both cut taxes AND cut spending. it isn't campaign rhetoric either - it's having a consistent voting record while in office.

[O-dehlay]

Paul made more cash then McCain in the 2nd quarter!

[Osborn F Enready]

O-dehlay said: Paul made more cash then McCain in the 2nd quarter!

WOW, no kidding! That is good to hear. There may still be hope for the United States.

[inthemiddle]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready WOW, no kidding! That is good to hear. There may still be hope for the United States.

yeah, but that was still more than twelve million less than Mitt Romney, and Mccain is losing it, but I guess its still a victory.

We all need to go out and post a few more banners. I see the Ron Paul Revolution banners all around.

How about Tired of Taxes? Abolish the IRS, Elect Ron Paul 2008?

Banners that reflect his meesage, banners that make people go "hmmmm thats new, thats different, that might be nice, whats this? Whos this Ron Paul guy?"

if we really want him to win, we need to get serious about this folks. We can't all just sit on our butts and blog all day, then complain if he doesnt get elected.


I have read lots of comments about how Ron Paul stands a chance because he wins all the internet polls. And that internet people are more high tech than average people, and that the rest of the people in the US are sheeple for believing the media lies.

If common people really are that retarded, we shouldn't have any problem manipulating their opinions and convincing them to vote for Ron Paul right?

How hard can that be, if Ron actually has the best ideas?

[Clarence]

yeah, but that was still more than twelve million less than Mitt Romney, and Mccain is losing it, but I guess its still a victory.

It's not a money race. He doesn't need as much

How about Tired of Taxes? Abolish the IRS, Elect Ron Paul 2008?

you're being sarcastic. Besides, he's not likely to be able to get this done in a single term. He will cut pork spending like no other before he even gets to taxes.







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[xyzer]

Bishop...I agree..

the sad thing about the electorate is concerned is that most voters don't seem to understand that taxation and spending go hand in hand... people love to hear about tax cuts, but never have the stomach for the necessary spending cuts. others would advocate the tax cuts even without spending cuts, which is the epitomy of irresponsibility imo.

And yet the politicos running for office have to make foreign policy(Iraq War) their mainstream argument for change? They fill the air and sound waves with drivel that doesn't really affect we common folk? Look at this latest immigration bill. What a terrible monstrosity that thing was...It would have created a new victim class(illegals) made them citizens without background checks, and made people waiting inline to come in wait even longer! It didn't create the resources to handle the influxe nor did it penalize people who knowingly hire illegals..ad nauseam!
Whats old Rons position on that one?

[O-dehlay]

The thing about that is that RP is opposed to all the things that the "spending" encompases.

[Clarence]

I notice people calling for revolution in support of Dr.Paul. This is highly damaging rhetoric. We should call it more of a return to our senses. After all, he's just trying to restore the original intent and cut out the cancer in our constitutionaly limited republic.

[xyzer]

I notice people calling for revolution in support of Dr.Paul. This is highly damaging rhetoric. We should call it more of a return to our senses. After all, he's just trying to restore the original intent and cut out the cancer in our constitutionaly limited republic

You speak "with straight tongue"..Kimosabee(clarence)

I guess it goes back to the Franklin Roosevelt years.The begining of.bigger government to take care of victim groups..and of course more government requires more spending...and of course this requires higher taxes ...and of course this requires bending the constitution.to unfetter the legislature...and of course this results in legislative pork cranking the costs of everything including our taxes?..

[Osborn F Enready]

Ron Paul has been getting a lot of call in support on C-Span lately. Anyone else noticing this?

[bishop]

heh... i haven't had much time to wipe myself, let alone keep up with these things..

last i knew, paul was being barred from the iowa debate/primary... any update on that situation?

imo, all of the campaigns seem to be flying under the radar these days.. probably focusing on their fund raising.

[The Decider]

Quote by: O-dehlay Paul made more cash then McCain in the 2nd quarter!

And despite the cash influx into Paul's campaign, his statewide New Hampshire polls remain flat lined at 1.3% as of July 11. Paul can't even surpass Newt Gingrich, an unannounced candidate with 3.9% support. Paul's new money hasn't translated into political support yet.

However, perhaps in New Hampshire independents can vote in the Republican primary. I don't know. If so, then maybe Paul's numbers are higher than those reflected in the surveys of Republican voters. If not, I see little evidence for much optimism right now.

http://www.pollster.com/ANHReps.php
Pollster.com

[Osborn F Enready]

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.


Simply more reasons to vote for Ron Paul. He understands the value of integrity.

[Osborn F Enready]

Congressman Ron Paul Archives, at Lew Rockwell, dating back to 1994:

Congressman Ron Paul Archives

[Jubloz]

Not to mention that Ron isn't talking about nuking Iran. That's a big plus in my book.

[Osborn F Enready]

I would agree Jubloz.

[Jubloz]

Osborn, you seem pretty knowledgeable about the guy. Do you know anything about his views on evolution? I tried some googling but didn't come up with much and, given that the politics pertaining to evolution will directly affect my profession after college, it's a pretty big issue for me.

[Osborn F Enready]

Jubloz said: Osborn, you seem pretty knowledgeable about the guy.

Well, I am trying to stay up to date, but its hard without media help.

Jubloz said: Do you know anything about his views on evolution?

I only know he is a religious man, but he doesn't put his religion on the public stage, because he doesn't feel it should be mixed in with politics.
From what I have seen him speak on the topic, he feels religion is a personal issue, and not a platform for election, which I respect immensely.

Jubloz said: I tried some googling but didn't come up with much and, given that the politics pertaining to evolution will directly affect my profession after college, it's a pretty big issue for me.

While I can't speak confidently on "his views", I can speak confidently that he doesn't think government should be ruling on non-objective realities, one of which, religion, which is entirely subjective.

What related to evolution do you think is required to know about a canidate? Perhaps this would be a great You-Tube debate question for Paul and others?

[Osborn F Enready]

Some results on Paul and his views on Evolution:

Austro-Athenian Empire » Ron Paul in the Debate

"Ron Paul did not raise his hand on the evolution question, I think he looked down in shame that it was even asked, and that three of his fellow debaters raised their hands, I mean the guy is an MD, I think he understands science well enough to hold that evolution occurs."

Bill's TN Paradise: GOP Debate: Congressmen Ron Paul gives fellow candidates a lesson on Republican values and policy. Also: 3 candidates don't believe in evolution.

"Also, when Sen. McCain was asked if he believed in evolution, he responded "yes." When the moderator asked, "Is there anybody on the stage that does not agree and does not believe in evolution?" Showing ignorance and a contempt for modern science, candidates Brownback, Tancredo and Huckabee all indicated that they do not believe in evolution, an essential part of any science curriculum."

Why I’d Vote For Ron Paul « Heal The Land With Spiritual Warfare

“Moyer, you idiot, why would you vote for him?” Well, it’s a hard decision to make, so I’ll explain myself. All of the Democratic candidates are socialists at this point. They don’t even try to hide it; they all want socialized health care and the living wage and every other socialist program you can imagine. The Republicans are only slightly better. They at least make an attempt to promote free markets but they end up growing the size of the government anyway. Except for Ron Paul, who at heart is a Libertarian. The benefits of having a Libertarian as president, even for only one term, would be countless. Ron Paul wouldn’t just cut government size and spending, he would slay it. He would literally do as much as possible to destroy every socialist program in existence. Paul would change our country for the better in an even more significant way than Reagan. That is why I would vote for Ron Paul. Every other Republican candidate talks about tax cuts and smaller government but if elected they would change little. A Libertarian would overturn years and years of socialization. That’s what America needs, desperately. America is not going to crumble because we withdrawal from Iraq. America isn’t going to fall because of a nuclear attack (God forbid). America will fall because we will abandon our commitments to freedom and submit to government control and power in hopes of security and safety. I believe this country will crumble as a result of socialism from the inside long before any foreign force could defeat it from the outside."

You can go here to see his speeches:
Congressman Ron Paul

I hope this helps.

[Clarence]

I can speak confidently that he doesn't think government should be ruling on non-objective realities, one of which, religion, which is entirely subjective.

that's a good way to say it. Most of our current 'issues' can't be discussed without this precursor statement.

Mostly I just wish more people understood that a gov't has to be objective even if the reasons are subjective. pfft! imagine this discussion at a presidential debate.