Ron Paul 2008 Presidential bid...

[O-dehlay]

They say they made the decision on who to invite way in advance and cannot make changes or exceptions. The radio host does a good job of showing why this is senceless.

[Osborn F Enready]

O-dehlay said: They say they made the decision on who to invite way in advance and cannot make changes or exceptions. The radio host does a good job of showing why this is senceless.

It's quite sensible, if you have an agenda that is hurt by the public being informed and able to access non-biased, presentation of information.

If you are an average citizen however, it is quite the detriment to justice and the spirit of the law in the United States in relation to being a nation by the people, of the people, for the people.

[xyzer]

Lets address reality here..If we are looking at a Republican candidate doesn't this set of experience and qualifications far exceed Pauls antiwar nonsense?

Fred Thompson Qualifications - Served on the US-China Economic Review Commission - AEG Scholar specializing in Diplomatic Relations and Foreign Intelligence - Special Counsel to both the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations under President Reagan - Chairman of the International Security Advisory Board currently; a high-level panel charged with evaluating long-term threats to U. S. security - Member of the powerful Senate Committee on Finance, which has jurisdiction over, among other things, international trade. - Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence - Member of the National Security Working Group, which observes and monitors executive branch negotiations with foreign governments. - Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, an organization that promotes improved understanding of international affairs through public and private discussion. - Member of the American Enterprise Institute for Policy Research, studies national security and intelligence, with a focus on China, North Korea, and Russia. - Chairman of the Government Affairs Committee 1997-2001 - Ranking Republican Minority Member of the Government Affairs Committee 2001-2003 - Chairman of the Youth Violence Committee 1995-1997 - Chairman of the Senate Government Oversight Committee - Foreign Relations Committee, 1995-96 - Member, Judiciary Committee, 1995-98 - Member, Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights, 1997-98 - Member, Technology, Terrorism and Gov't. Information, 1995-98 - Member, Finance Committee, 1999-2002 - Finance subcommittees Member, International Trade, 1999-2002 Member, Taxation and Oversight, 1999-2002 Member, Social Security and Family Policy, 1999-2002 Member, Health Care, 1999-2002 - Earned "Restoring the Balance" Award from National Conference of State Legislatures; given annually to national policymakers committed to federalism and its impact on issues involving state legislators - Recognized by Citizens Against Government Waste for his report documenting the federal government's staggering levels of waste, abuse, and mismanagement. Thompson presented the report, which includes his recommendations for addressing those problems, to Office of Management and Budget (OMB) Director Mitch Daniels at a press conference in Washington. Report includes analysis of the four biggest challenges facing the federal government: workforce management, financial management, information technology management, and overlap and duplication. In addition, the report includes an agency-by-agency appendix citing examples of waste, fraud, and abuse. The report also contains a list of the "Top Ten" worst examples of mismanagement in the government. CAGW is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization, dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse in government.

Why would the Republicans support Paul, when they have really experienced smart candidates like Thompson?

[Autolykos]

I don't care about "qualifications". I care about ideas.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

- Rob

[brien]

Why would the Republicans support Paul, when they have really experienced smart candidates like Thompson?

Smart, smart????.....Dr Paul happens to be a Physician, no less of an accomplishment not lost on an actor. Dr Paul has more recent Congressional experience than Thompson as as well. And since when was it "smart" to support the invasion of another sovereign nation based upon manufactured evidence that turned out to be false. I suppose Hitler did it. I suppose Hirohito approved of it. Smart indeed....

[xyzer]

Is this a serious post Auto?

don't care about "qualifications". I care about ideas.

You may be right delivering 4000 babies and obseving countless female genitalia may make one somewhat of an expert on the human condition but I'm not sure it qualifies one for presidential duties(Bill Clinton excepted)

And then there is this one..from brien?

Dr Paul has more recent Senate experience than Thompson as well

Does serving as a Congressman in the House count as Senate time brien? If so since when? Does the House(Pelosi excepted) deal with foreign policy? Look it up brian.

Do I hear the cornflakes crunching?

[brien]

Does serving as a Congressman in the House count as Senate time brien? If so since when? Does the House(Pelosi excepted) deal with foreign policy? Look it up brian. Do I hear the cornflakes crunching

Well, inmy haste to post, I promoted Dr Paul to the Senate, but I have corrected the mistake.

The point is Dr Paul has more recent Congressional experience than Thompson. But if you want to impune R Paul for his House experience by invoking Senate experience, then it really is irrelevant because the executive qualifications for the President are usually best filled by Governors who have no FP experience at all. The US usually gets its Executive Officers from the Governor's office, not the Congress.

Now what's that about cornflakes?

[Autolykos]

Quote by: xyzer Is this a serious post Auto?

Of course it is.

You may be right delivering 4000 babies and obseving countless female genitalia may make one somewhat of an expert on the human condition but I'm not sure it qualifies one for presidential duties (Bill Clinton excepted)

What?

Is this supposed to be a rebuttal to my statement?

To make myself clear, I don't see how you've addressed any ideas with this so-called response. Try again, or I will conclude that you cannot respond effectively to me here.

- Rob

[Clarence]

There's a Fred Thompson thread. He's already done btw. Soon as he formally joins in the debate, instead of this pretending not to run nonsense, he'll get shot down. That's why he's hiding. Ron Paul is the man to beat and nobody has figured out how yet. That's why Xyzer is here in this thread. Moving on.

[Osborn F Enready]

I don't know how many watched the "democratic debates forum" on PBS Thursday night, but it was as disturbing as any debate I have seen so far.

Seven out of Eight canidates, are total "corporate/special-intrest/central government lap-dogs in my opinion.

I am starting to think that a "Ron Paul/Mike Gravel" ticket would be the ticket to victory for people who again want a Constitutional Republic, and could actually win with the wave of public support that is forming around each canidate.

Similarities?

Ron Paul AND Mike Gravel want to abolish the income tax, are both anti-war for corporate intrests and entangling alliances, are both anti-centralization of government, are both anti-Drug War, are both as well as many other similar positions.

Check this out:
Ron Paul 2008 — Hope for America
Gravel 2008 | 2008 Presidential Candidate: Senator Mike Gravel

Anyone have an opinion on this, relating to positives and negatives?

[brien]

Os, I didn't see the debates but I can imagine the hand wringing over the SCOTUS decisions, the Immigration Bill, and the Fairness Doctrine that both were decided in the Senate yesterday.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that is truly NOT a warmonger. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is for true tax reform. And so far, Ron Paul is the only candidate that truly has the electorate's interests in mind.

The media continues to ignore him where they can, but he kicked ass up in NH last weekend.

June 28, 2007

On Friday June 22nd, Congressman Ron Paul made his third trip to New Hampshire. The first stop was the recording of Arnie Arnesen's television show "Political Chowder" which aired on Sunday the 24th. "Political Chowder" is seen in over two million households across New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Vermont and Maine. The program is also broadcast on public access channels across the state during the week. Dr. Paul then taped two radio shows at WXKL studios in Concord. One was for WXKL's 1450 AM political news, and the other for New Hampshire Taxpayer Radio with Ed Naile and Jane Aitken, likely to air in July. He then attended a dinner with New Hampshire pro-life activists at the Chateau Restaurant in Manchester, arranged by Barbara Hagan. The turnout was excellent, with over 30 pro-life leaders showing up to meet Dr. Paul and hear him speak about issues that are important to the pro-life community. Jared Chicoine New Hampshire Coordinator

I hold my nose with regard to the pro life position, but it really isn't a issue for me because there isn't much he could do as President to overturn Roe v Wade. All he could possibly do would be to appoint conservative judges to the SCOTUS

[Osborn F Enready]

Have you done any study on Mike Gravel yet Brien?

Please do, and let me know your opinion if you don't mind and have the time.

[brien]

I check the link. Thanks Os..

Edit to add; Just did a cursory reading.

I like his National Initiative idea. We need this to tame the Congressional snobs.

I am for scrapping the income tax. Everyone wants a fair tax. I have no problems with a consumption tax so long as the income tax sunsets forever.

Medical vouchers is a great idea to get insurance companies out of the loop between the Dr and the patient. We needed them yesterday.

As for Iraq and Iran, I am in full agreement. Iran is already being set up as the next theater in the Middle East. There is dangerous war mongering and sabre rattling going on as we write our posts.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: brien I am for scrapping the income tax. Everyone wants a fair tax. I have no problems with a consumption tax so long as the income tax sunsets forever.

WTF ???


How can everybody be in support of a "fair tax"?


I hope you're not talking about a Flat Tax.


( edit to add )


Sorry, dont mean to derail the thread.

[brien]

I hope you're not talking about a Flat Tax.

I am not talking at all. I was referring to Mike Gravel's tax plan.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: brien I am not talking at all. I was referring to Mike Gravel's tax plan.

Sorry, emotional day for me. I'm ready to throttle somebody. Didn't mean to take it out on you buddy. :(

[xyzer]

Ron Paul is the only candidate who is for true tax reform.

I think you are using a fair bit of editorial license in this statement brien?
Is he the onlycandidate for reforming the income tax?
What is true tax reform?

I'll join the crowd on tax reform. I think the current tax rules are ridiculously complicated and need to be simplified. That comes up before every election and Congress does nothing but worry about the Iraqi War or some other event that does nothing to help the indivual worker in this country.

Can you insure me that good old Ron can really sway his comrades in our legislature to do something? Will he have any more clout as president? Campaign rhetoric is cheap.
I suggest we ignore these political creatures who mutter unintelligeable generalties as they perch on the swinging branches of media nonsense. Paul is just one more political ape!

[Clarence]

if you want the candidate with the most clout vote for Hillary.

Thanks for dropping in and letting us know you still got nothing on him.

[GHook93]

The more I read about this guy the more I do like him.

However, 2 issues I have strong opinions on he doesn't support. 1 of the issues means very little to most on these boards and the other probably means alot.

Healthcare: Ron Paul is against UHC. I think its essential (I won't debate it in this thread), he doesn't.

Israel: He doesn't support Israel, or any foreign country for that matter. However, this is also an essential trait for any candidate for me. Like I said this probably means very little to most.

[xyzer]

if you want the candidate with the most clout vote for Hillary

What do you mean by 'clout', Clarence? Clouting her ithyphallic husband in the head for dallying with an array of young females?
Certainly Hillary doen't have much executive experience? She hasn't done anything but campaign for 6 years? She is among the least experienced candidates...Maybe you mean 'media exposure' instead of clout.