Ron Paul 2008 Presidential bid...

[Osborn F Enready]

Thanks bishop.

I will double check the listing to see for sure.

[bishop]

was he on?

we were out shopping, but i set it to record for the house of reps..

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: bishop was he on? we were out shopping, but i set it to record for the house of reps..

Didn't tune in until 9:20, and no Ron Paul to be seen.

[brien]

RP support marches on...

10,001...and counting! May 23, 2007 At 4:46 p.m. ET today, Congressman Ron Paul's YouTube channel registered 10,001 subscribers! Dr. Paul now has nearly twice as many subscribers as Barack Obama who is in second place. Here are the current numbers: Paul - 10,001 Obama - 5,768 Clinton - 3,212 Edwards - 2,764 Romney - 2,014 Kucinich - 1,732 Giuliani - 1,389 McCain - 1,259 Gravel - 885 Richardson - 790 Biden - 589 Hunter - 402 Dodd - 230 Huckabee - 205 Tancredo - 190 Brownback - 96 Gilmore - 50. Ron Paul 2008 YouTube Channel YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Osborn F Enready]

I didn't see Paul on last night Bishop, but we only get C-Span 1 & 2.

Glad to see the post Brien, thanks for the update, and the link.

[brien]

Hey OS; It just goes to show how R Paul's influence can grow in a unfettered media. Imagine if the major mediums were really free? Wow.

[xyzer]

Autokylos asks about Pauls snivelling reference to 9/11?

"Have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years," he said

This tidbit reprised on CNN Com..http://http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05...tin/index.html

Where did Paul get these incorrect facts? How does his tangled mind relate Al Qaeda/s 9/11 attack to our bombing Iraq in Desert Storm? I think this shrill squawker is a cipher, not a real candidate for anything except a place on the conspiracy theory board!

[Autolykos]

Quote by: xyzer Autokylos asks about Pauls snivelling reference to 9/11? This tidbit reprised on CNN Com..http://http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05...tin/index.html Where did Paul get these incorrect facts? How does his tangled mind relate Al Qaeda/s 9/11 attack to our bombing Iraq in Desert Storm? I think this shrill squawker is a cipher, not a real candidate for anything except a place on the conspiracy theory board!

Do you deny that one of Osama bin Laden's reasons for his fatwas against the United States was the continued US aggression against Iraq?

Speaking of facts, here are two more links which you might find useful:

Gulf War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iraq sanctions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

- Rob

[brien]

Quote by: xyzer Autokylos asks about Pauls snivelling reference to 9/11? This tidbit reprised on CNN Com..http://http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05...tin/index.html Where did Paul get these incorrect facts? How does his tangled mind relate Al Qaeda/s 9/11 attack to our bombing Iraq in Desert Storm? I think this shrill squawker is a cipher, not a real candidate for anything except a place on the conspiracy theory board!

xyzer: Here is the real truth:


Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?

May 16, 2007

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe. When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report. "Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe."

So, forget CNN and thie obvious bias against Dr Paul and understand the the truth of the mattter.

[xyzer]

autokylos..posts

Do you deny that one of Osama bin Laden's reasons for his fatwas against the United States was the continued US aggression against Iraq?

More conspiracy theories that don't jive with the facts?
The old, tired, indirect consequences argument rears it questionable head again? The US,years back, prior to Desert Storm had tried to help Iraq in its struggle with Iran? It had previous to that tried to keep the Shah of Iran in his relatively friendly role as ruler.But Iran went over to the Mullahs and the religious frenzy that we see today?

Fact!!! The USA was asked to help after Kuwait was attacked an occupied bt Iraq? http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War
Read the reference and discover that Iraq not only conquered Kuwait but also launched attacks on Saudia Arabia and others in it benign attempt at peace in the middleeast?
Your infomed hero Paul is sucking political air or he doesn't have a clue of what the reasons were for the US bombing of Iraq..Even the UN approved that one?
Oh yes. and Bush #1 didn't even push on to Baghdad because he believed in the good faith of Saddam. Guess what, Saddam started shooting at US aircraft flying patrol in accordance with the peace agreement?

Osama revealed his fatwah intentions well before that time! His hatred of the USA resulted from his hatred of Israel and Jews in general..he figured the US was subsidizing Israel and he was right on that one?

[Clarence]

Ron Paul 2008

[The Decider]

Quote by: xyzer; Osama revealed his fatwah intentions well before that time! His hatred of the USA resulted from his hatred of Israel and Jews in general..he figured the US was subsidizing Israel and he was right on that one?

Did you get this claim from the 911 Commission Report or your vivid imagination? The 911 Commission Report identified Osama's "Declaration of War" fatwa as a call to expel US forces from Saudi Arabia. That was Ron Paul's point. Not only did we attack Kuwait (which, by the way, Osama wanted the Saudis to do), we stationed troops on Saudi land...holy land. That the Saudis invited us is not relevant. We had a choice and chose wrong. Eventually we left Saudi Arabia, a belated admission of the policy's initial error.

See Chapter 2 of the 911 Commission Report, especially Section 2.4 on page 59.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf

[The Decider]

Ron Paul may appear on Bill Maher's show tomorrow night. Has anybody heard this?

[Osborn F Enready]

Yes, just read about it about an hour ago, but haven't verified it yet.

I don't watch Maher, but some here do I think.

[Hmm]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Yes, just read about it about an hour ago, but haven't verified it yet. I don't watch Maher, but some here do I think.

Yep, it's verified on Paul's Youtube channel:

May 25, 07 | 10:00 PM Buy Tickets HBO (11:00 PM) Los Angeles, CA US Congressman Ron Paul will be in studio this Friday night (11:00 p.m. ET) for an interview on Bill Maher's "Real Time." P.J. O'Rourke and Ben Affleck will join Maher to discuss the issues with Dr. Paul. "Real Time" is on HBO.

[Osborn F Enready]

Thanks Hmm.

I wonder if anyone who gets it will post it, or a link, or explanation? (hint)

[bishop]

well, that will be interesting to see paul on maher's show for the 2nd time - especially after that pitiful interview maher did the 1st time around. hopefully this time, maher will ask questions a bit more current than paul's position on the civil war.....

HBO Schedule: REAL TIME WITH BILL MAHER 104:

[xyzer]

Decider?

Not only did we attack Kuwait (which, by the way, Osama wanted the Saudis to do), we stationed troops on Saudi land...holy land.

WHAAAAT? Where did you get the fact we attacked Kuwait????Out of your ear?
We attacked at Kuwaits request the Iraqi Army that had occupied the country of Kuwait? From what part of LaLa Land did your assumption we attacked Kuwait come from?
We had a few troops in Saudi Arabia with their permission. Is that threatening Saudi Arabia? Get real!

[brien]

New Video: Educating Rudy Press Conference


May 25, 2007

Congressman Ron Paul and Dr. Michael Scheuer, former chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit, held a press conference yesterday at the National Press Club to educate Rudy Giuliani on American foreign policy in the Middle East. Dr. Paul gave Mr. Giuliani a reading assignment which is at the end of the 13-minute video clip.

Video
YouTube - Educating Rudy Press Conference

[xyzer]

Interesting find brien.
What struck me immediately is the assertion by Paul that our foreign policy has indirect consequences with other nations? Is Osama a representative of a foreign nation or is he a terrorist? He was chased out of Saudi Arabia way before Kuwait? and is in hiding? Is Al Qaeda a fighting force of a nation? Or is it just a band of murderous thugs? And so on down through the scattered terrorists and organizations that attack us?

If reactions to our foreign policy by international renegades are what should guide us we are in trouble. Then it would would be like swatting flies. Reacting to the idealistic malcontents that inhabit the earth? Consider that? Paul doesn't.

Foreign policy is made in the interests of the nation making it. Thus our policy in the middle east has always been to protect a major energy supply by achieving stability in the region. Thats to your an my benefit. Should we make our policy only after consulting with the UN or some foreign nation with different interests?. Their feelings should be considered but not considered paramount. Hey, the UN approved the toppling of Saddam!
Should the UN be blamed along with Britian and the US for it?

The other speaker on the video took much the same tack as Paul. A rather ridiculous one IMNSHO.
e.g. Marines in Lebanon were there at the request of the Lebanese government. I'm not sure they fired a shot in anger? So a religious leader didn;'t like it? Is that our fault? If it was then we would never stir off our rearends to help any country..with humane aid or economic support? Even if they ask?