What will be the future of Iran and the USA?

[Nathan Struth]

I wonder what's going to happen between the USA and Iran. I think we have to negotiate Iran out of making nuclear weapons. Abudidajad said Israel was evil and had to be whiped off the map. I'm afraid that there truely is no compromise between our conflicting beliefs of nuclear weapons and their nuclear program. What will the USA do if they go build nuclear weapons to "protect" themselves? I want a solution but I see none in sight...:rolleyes:

[Scribbler1]

The big wheels in Iran will continue to rattle our chains, and if the idiot in the White House takes the bait we will have a war. Bush shows no talent for, and no inclination TO negotiate with anyone.

[jose]

Quote by: Nathan Struth I wonder what's going to happen between the USA and Iran. I think we have to negotiate Iran out of making nuclear weapons. Abudidajad said Israel was evil and had to be whiped off the map. I'm afraid that there truely is no compromise between our conflicting beliefs of nuclear weapons and their nuclear program. What will the USA do if they go build nuclear weapons to "protect" themselves? I want a solution but I see none in sight...:rolleyes:

There is no proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, they have signed the Non proliferation treaty and agreed to international inspection
the quote ¨wiped off the map¨ is normally put in brackets as he never actually said that in Farsi,
"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".
The Truth Seeker - "WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century

How Congress Can Stop the Iran Attack or be Complicit in Nuclear War Crimes

[Praxius]

Well you gotta believe that the people in power now still want to portray the US as still having brass balls, so they'll probably try to flex their military muscle at Iran, Iran won't fall for the bluff and drag them into yet another war, either at the same time you're in Iraq, or shortly after, just before you guys can beef yourself back up and recoup.

If Iran wanted to avoid a war, or even win the war, they would try to get you guys into a war sooner, rather then later.

[BobbyO]

Quote by: Scribbler1 The big wheels in Iran will continue to rattle our chains, and if the idiot in the White House takes the bait we will have a war. Bush shows no talent for, and no inclination TO negotiate with anyone.

The United States has completely backed the negotiations which Europe has been handling for the past few years. The reason for the current problem is that the negotiations have failed because Iran wishes the bomb, and there is really nothing Europe can do to stop it. Only the USA has that ability.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Don't go encouraging an invasion of Iran, the U.S. does not currently have the ability to invade, we can lend our strong points, such as our air force, but we can't sustain such a huge invasion in our current state, not to mention the insurgency that would follow.

[Praxius]

Quote by: BobbyO The United States has completely backed the negotiations which Europe has been handling for the past few years. The reason for the current problem is that the negotiations have failed because Iran wishes the bomb, and there is really nothing Europe can do to stop it. Only the USA has that ability.

Iran wishes the bomb? They never said that. The US government is claiming they are, but the US Government also said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction as well.

To attack without proper evidence would be strike 2 in that category.

What if they were just building Nuke plants for energy? What if everybody just bombed the hell out of Iran and its Nuke plants and found no evidence of weapons?

That would pretty much piss them off I imagine, and give them enough reason to start all hell.

Perhaps they are trying to play the media into thinking that they are planning on nukes, only to not have any and look like the innocent country in the end, and painting a bad image on the countries that attack them..... that'd give them all the reason to build them then.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Praxius Iran wishes the bomb? They never said that.

Iran and Israel may end up contributing to the arms race that the US is hellbent on fostering.

Grandpa h.

[The_Genius]

Don't forget the fact Iran - a country that supplies oil to China - has more oil than Iraq. So thats another issue... Even if it costs USA billions, if they succeed in invading Iran, they will get access to more oil.

Possession of Oil = a lever to control other countries that depend on Oil.

Simple equation.....

[BobbyO]

Quote by: Praxius Iran wishes the bomb? They never said that. The US government is claiming they are, but the US Government also said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction as well. To attack without proper evidence would be strike 2 in that category. What if they were just building Nuke plants for energy? What if everybody just bombed the hell out of Iran and its Nuke plants and found no evidence of weapons? That would pretty much piss them off I imagine, and give them enough reason to start all hell. Perhaps they are trying to play the media into thinking that they are planning on nukes, only to not have any and look like the innocent country in the end, and painting a bad image on the countries that attack them..... that'd give them all the reason to build them then.

You mean Iran has not presently started "all hell?"

[Praxius]

Quote by: BobbyO You mean Iran has not presently started "all hell?"

Well if you think this is hell now, wait another 5 years or less.

[InTheFlesh?]

I agree with the grandpa. What will the US get if the israelis and iranians begin a full scale arms race. Minted, I think is the word.

MAD is a great way of preventing nuclear war, and making millions on the arms sales.

Also if a country is scared witless of nuclear war, they forget problems like the third world and the middle class abandons the poor for self interested concerns. And low, a revival the stifling class system.

[InTheFlesh?]

Rest assured that no country would do anything that would cost it too much money. Protection of the country is one thing, but protection of profit will win every time.

[Nathan Struth]

@ Praxius, every country wants the bomb to protect itself. If the USA has one, Iran has the right to the nuclear fusion and fission bombs. But thanks for whoever cleared the "whiped off the map" issue. Fissile material is just a few steps away from weapons grade...Iran's definitely getting it.

@Genius, my dad's an oil economist. He works for OPEC and Pira. We didn't go to Iraq for oil, and we're not going to Iran for oil. If we invaded Iran, most exports would be lower and that would hurt the USA. Do you think we want to hurt ourselves? No...the USA also hasn't even stolen oil from Iraq yet...let alone going to Iran. It's been 4 years since the war, it's all a sham; there's either a much bigger goal to these wars, or we're just stupid and have a tendency for violence. Iraq wasn't done for oil, trust my dad please.'

I don't want a war between the USA and Iran, but I'm allmost %100 sure that's what's going to happen. The USA won't back down from Iran having those weapons, no question the Iranians will make nuclear weapons once they get nuclear reactors set up. Just like Israel did.

[Gods_Mercenary]

I kinda wish Iraq was done for oil, it'd make the whole thing seem to have some purpose.

[Scribbler1]

It may yet turn out that was the reason. The US, particularly Bush giving a damn about a dictator in a far away country, especially one who WAS friendly to us at one time, makes no sense.

[Gods_Mercenary]

We gave a damn about vietnam, granted, that was a fight against communism, but it was still just jungle. And I think you put far too much faith in the reliability of our politicians to have a reason for the things they do.

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose There is no proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, they have signed the Non proliferation treaty and agreed to international inspection the quote ¨wiped off the map¨ is normally put in brackets as he never actually said that in Farsi, "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." The full quote translated directly to English: "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time". The Truth Seeker - "WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century How Congress Can Stop the Iran Attack or be Complicit in Nuclear War Crimes

Aw Jose,

So gullible. Iran has just tested missiles. Infered from there actions, they are doing there best to created a nuke.

And yes without a doubt he stated and meany Israel's destruction.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Don't go encouraging an invasion of Iran, the U.S. does not currently have the ability to invade, we can lend our strong points, such as our air force, but we can't sustain such a huge invasion in our current state, not to mention the insurgency that would follow.

Occupying forces don't work! This is evident from Iraq and Vietnam. However, the old style American war, which is fighting the entire countries, alia Japan and Germany, and let them rebuild on there own (with obvious help), is the what America needs to do if they fight Iran. Not stating we should war with Iran, but if we do we need to revert back to what worked.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: GHook93 Occupying forces don't work! This is evident from Iraq and Vietnam. However, the old style American war, which is fighting the entire countries, alia Japan and Germany, and let them rebuild on there own (with obvious help), is the what America needs to do if they fight Iran. Not stating we should war with Iran, but if we do we need to revert back to what worked.

I believe that requires two things. One, an actual military to fight and two, a population that will be happy we are there. If we go to war against Iran I don't think either conditions will exist. Our experience in Iraq should be a VERY good example to any other countries in that region.