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RebelWithanAK · Oct 8, 2003, 09:46 pm

So, Israel bombed a suspected 'terrorist training camp' deep within Syria. This is a violation of Syria's sovereignty and its borders, and as such is an act of war. Bush, the day after, condoned the bombing, equating it to "pre-emptive defense" in America's new-found logic that any military action taken by our allies is either in "defense" or "pre-emptive defense;" ie: offense. After all, one need only look in the glaring precedent that Bush has made in Iraq to know that it's alright to bomb foreign nations who don't directly threaten you.

So, Israel took this blank check given by America to mean that Bush will absolve it of all worries from uproars within its biggest threats to empire-building: Neighboring Arab states and the international eye in the form of the UN. Subsequently, the IDF has 'locked down' the Gaza Strip and the West Bank with an additional two tank regiments, knowing that anybody who questions has to go through Bush first.

So, what was that about a peace plan?

Impenitent · Oct 9, 2003, 12:40 am

peace comes when you have no enemies...

so Israel acted against Syria... Israel acts against terrorists on an almost daily basis and has since her creation... did Israel follow our lead in Afghanistan and Iraq? or did we follow Israel's lead? either way, the US and Israel are fed up with terrorists and are now willing to do something besides bitch and moan in some un meeting...

the plan for peace is there... kill those who would kill you and you'll have peace...

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 01:18 am

A) You will always have enemies
B) Israel soldiers have been ordered to execute innocent Palestinian civilians. If I was Palestinians I would be completely pissed off at the Israelis because of the quarintines and daily raids and the murder of my children.
C) If you kill those who kill you than more people will join the others cause. Killing is never the route to peace.
D) Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Most of them would like a peaceful life, and a Palestinian state. If my kids are being shot, and I haven't eaten in a week you might be a bit angry.
E) The US is fed up with paying for their oil, and need to kill a couple more thousand people to prove that we're the US so don't fuck with us. Or don't disagree with us, or don't make us pay for oil.
F) According to you then if we blew up the Earth then we wouldn've peace.

Shalom

G. Adams · Oct 9, 2003, 08:27 am

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Originally posted by Impenitent@10-09-2003 12:40 AM
peace comes when you have no enemies...

so Israel acted against Syria... Israel acts against terrorists on an almost daily basis and has since her creation... did Israel follow our lead in Afghanistan and Iraq? or did we follow Israel's lead? either way, the US and Israel are fed up with terrorists and are now willing to do something besides bitch and moan in some un meeting...

the plan for peace is there... kill those who would kill you and you'll have peace...

If thats your plan there will always be another two for each terrorist you kill. Its like a hydra's head, you have to cauterise the wound quickly as well as dealing with the heads. and that means getting rid of the causes of terrorism, as well as the terrorists.

Impenitent · Oct 9, 2003, 09:18 am

that's life...

kill or be killed, survival of the "fittest"...

I didn't make the rules, I am simply commenting on human nature...

blindly trusting your enemies is foolish... just look at clinton and north korea...

the revolution never ends, everyone wants more and fights to get it... always... fight so everyone has more... still it is more and still it is a fight...

peace when the planet is dead? yeah, that's about right...

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 10:25 am

That's life. Ha. Do you tell that to anyone who is suffering. Oh well, that's life. Instead you should try to change the world.

G. Adams · Oct 9, 2003, 12:01 pm

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Originally posted by Impenitent@10-09-2003 09:18 AM
that's life...

kill or be killed, survival of the "fittest"...

I didn't make the rules, I am simply commenting on human nature...

blindly trusting your enemies is foolish... just look at clinton and north korea...

the revolution never ends, everyone wants more and fights to get it... always... fight so everyone has more... still it is more and still it is a fight...

peace when the planet is dead? yeah, that's about right...

But it doesn't have to be that way. Its only the cynical who say such things and give up trying to change, thus furthering what is already wrong.

RebelWithanAK · Oct 9, 2003, 12:16 pm

Somehow, Kim Jong Il only threatened to turn California into a 'sea of fire' when BUSH cut off the peace talks...

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 01:05 am

You usually don't get peace after peace talks are ended. Makes absolutely no sense.

Impenitent · Oct 10, 2003, 12:40 pm

G. cynical? yeah... so?

change what? change myself? lol... why?

8. change the world? I control only my own actions and have no wish to control the actions of others... in fact I understand that I cannot control the actions of others... how do you deter others from doing as they wish against you? by making it detrimental for them to do so... peace through superior firepower...

AK. sea of fire? yeah, it will be soon... we had a cold war with the soviets because they were afraid of dying... terrorists aren't...

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 07:18 pm

I don't wish to control anyone. I merely wish to aid in helping people to achieve equality. You always change the world, whether you want to or not.

Fallen Angel · Oct 10, 2003, 11:18 pm

Ive said this before, and I'll say it again, there is no such thing as true peace in the world, if you have peace in your country its probably because some poor bastards somewhere else are paying for it with little thanks.
Eternal vigilance is quoted as the price of peace, as true peace would'nt need guarding.
If you want to go and embrace the terrorists in some silly hope a tear will appear in their eye and they will suddenly choke up, then you have probably smoked way too much dope, which is named with a lot of accuracy.
Sure go make peace with the terrorists, but only do it on your own behalf please, and don't count on them embracing you back.

Section 8 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:06 am

Who is the real terrorists? The Israelis execution of young Palestinians would be considered just as terroristic as Hamas.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 03:10 am

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Originally posted by Section 8@10-11-2003 03:06 AM
Who is the real terrorists? The Israelis execution of young Palestinians would be considered just as terroristic as Hamas.

Theres nothing wrong with getting rid of people who are slaughtering members of your population, sorry Section 8, but all the counciling in the world is not going to change them.

Section 8 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:11 am

Not all of the Palestinians are terrorists. Most of the young men killed are innocents. The IDF is also starving innocents in the form of economic sanctions.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 03:57 am

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Originally posted by Section 8@10-11-2003 03:11 AM
Not all of the Palestinians are terrorists. Most of the young men killed are innocents. The IDF is also starving innocents in the form of economic sanctions.

Most of the young men are armed, and far from innocent.

Oct 11, 2003, 05:10 am

Most of the armed are young, and far from guilty.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 07:21 am

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Originally posted by GuidoNius@10-11-2003 05:10 AM
Most of the armed are young, and far from guilty.

There very guilty.

Oct 11, 2003, 07:30 am

Here very innocent.

Seriously, guilty of what? Being swept away by hatred of the kind you´d happily sweep them away with.

Capital punishment for everybody that ever carried a gun. Including all, each & everyone, using a gun to facilitate capital punishment.

Way to go, angel. Difficult to fall any deeper.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 07:51 am

Quote:

Originally posted by GuidoNius@10-11-2003 07:30 AM
Here very innocent.

Seriously, guilty of what? Being swept away by hatred of the kind you´d happily sweep them away with.

Capital punishment for everybody that ever carried a gun. Including all, each & everyone, using a gun to facilitate capital punishment.

Way to go, angel. Difficult to fall any deeper.

There helping a movement that is causing all the hate in the first place, open your eyes up.

Oct 8, 2003, 09:46 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	So, Israel bombed a suspected 'terrorist training camp' deep within Syria. This is a violation of Syria's sovereignty and its borders, and as such is an act of war. Bush, the day after, condoned the bombing, equating it to "pre-emptive defense" in America's new-found logic that any military action taken by our allies is either in "defense" or "pre-emptive defense;" ie: offense. After all, one need only look in the glaring precedent that Bush has made in Iraq to know that it's alright to bomb foreign nations who don't directly threaten you. So, Israel took this blank check given by America to mean that Bush will absolve it of all worries from uproars within its biggest threats to empire-building: Neighboring Arab states and the international eye in the form of the UN. Subsequently, the IDF has 'locked down' the Gaza Strip and the West Bank with an additional two tank regiments, knowing that anybody who questions has to go through Bush first. So, what was that about a peace plan? . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 9, 2003, 12:40 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	peace comes when you have no enemies... so Israel acted against Syria... Israel acts against terrorists on an almost daily basis and has since her creation... did Israel follow our lead in Afghanistan and Iraq? or did we follow Israel's lead? either way, the US and Israel are fed up with terrorists and are now willing to do something besides bitch and moan in some un meeting... the plan for peace is there... kill those who would kill you and you'll have peace... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Oct 9, 2003, 09:18 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	that's life... kill or be killed, survival of the "fittest"... I didn't make the rules, I am simply commenting on human nature... blindly trusting your enemies is foolish... just look at clinton and north korea... the revolution never ends, everyone wants more and fights to get it... always... fight so everyone has more... still it is more and still it is a fight... peace when the planet is dead? yeah, that's about right... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Oct 9, 2003, 12:16 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Somehow, Kim Jong Il only threatened to turn California into a 'sea of fire' when BUSH cut off the peace talks... . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 10, 2003, 12:40 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	G. cynical? yeah... so? change what? change myself? lol... why? 8. change the world? I control only my own actions and have no wish to control the actions of others... in fact I understand that I cannot control the actions of others... how do you deter others from doing as they wish against you? by making it detrimental for them to do so... peace through superior firepower... AK. sea of fire? yeah, it will be soon... we had a cold war with the soviets because they were afraid of dying... terrorists aren't... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Oct 9, 2003, 01:18 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	A) You will always have enemies B) Israel soldiers have been ordered to execute innocent Palestinian civilians. If I was Palestinians I would be completely pissed off at the Israelis because of the quarintines and daily raids and the murder of my children. C) If you kill those who kill you than more people will join the others cause. Killing is never the route to peace. D) Not all Palestinians are terrorists. Most of them would like a peaceful life, and a Palestinian state. If my kids are being shot, and I haven't eaten in a week you might be a bit angry. E) The US is fed up with paying for their oil, and need to kill a couple more thousand people to prove that we're the US so don't fuck with us. Or don't disagree with us, or don't make us pay for oil. F) According to you then if we blew up the Earth then we wouldn've peace. Shalom

Oct 9, 2003, 10:25 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	That's life. Ha. Do you tell that to anyone who is suffering. Oh well, that's life. Instead you should try to change the world.

Oct 10, 2003, 01:05 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	You usually don't get peace after peace talks are ended. Makes absolutely no sense.

Oct 10, 2003, 07:18 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	I don't wish to control anyone. I merely wish to aid in helping people to achieve equality. You always change the world, whether you want to or not.

Oct 10, 2003, 11:18 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Ive said this before, and I'll say it again, there is no such thing as true peace in the world, if you have peace in your country its probably because some poor bastards somewhere else are paying for it with little thanks. Eternal vigilance is quoted as the price of peace, as true peace would'nt need guarding. If you want to go and embrace the terrorists in some silly hope a tear will appear in their eye and they will suddenly choke up, then you have probably smoked way too much dope, which is named with a lot of accuracy. Sure go make peace with the terrorists, but only do it on your own behalf please, and don't count on them embracing you back.

Oct 11, 2003, 03:06 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Who is the real terrorists? The Israelis execution of young Palestinians would be considered just as terroristic as Hamas.

Oct 11, 2003, 03:11 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Not all of the Palestinians are terrorists. Most of the young men killed are innocents. The IDF is also starving innocents in the form of economic sanctions.

Oct 11, 2003, 05:10 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
GuidoNius Guest Posts: n/a	Most of the armed are young, and far from guilty.

Oct 11, 2003, 07:30 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
GuidoNius Guest Posts: n/a	Here very innocent. Seriously, guilty of what? Being swept away by hatred of the kind you´d happily sweep them away with. Capital punishment for everybody that ever carried a gun. Including all, each & everyone, using a gun to facilitate capital punishment. Way to go, angel. Difficult to fall any deeper.