education for hatred towards Israel

[Athena]

Palestinians have been using Jordanian and Egyptian textbooks for their grade school students. The following Israelis site objects to what is said in these text. This arguement is religious one, but it is a religious arguement with so much political importance that we could be entering WWIII, so I am putting this in a politics forum. I think we urgently need to realize the political consequences of these religious arguments.

Is what Jordanian and Egyptian text saying true?

If Israel and Palestine were to share the text books, how should they present truth?

Personally when I read the Christian bible, I see the truth of the Jordanian and Egyptian text are saying. And I say this as someone to thinks the God of Abraham is a myth, and semitic includes Abrabs!

SPOTLIGHT- Incitement- Antisemitism and Hatred of Israel in Palestinian school textbooks 3. Following are some examples of incitement, hatred towards Israel and antisemitism, according to subject: The Jewish people - the textbooks are replete with antisemitic expressions of hatred and hostility towards the Jewish people, including references from the Koran attesting to the corrupt, dishonest character of the Jews, who are also anti-Islam. They claim that, according to the Talmud, the Jews believe that the human animal was created to serve them and that it is permitted to deceive the gentiles, who have satanic souls.

PS can anyone explain why Israelis are saying semitic people are insiting antisemitism in their text books?

[Krazyjuice]

It's all religious propaganda that each side argues to justify their own cause.

[Athena]

Quote by: Krazyjuice It's all religious propaganda that each side argues to justify their own cause.

I don't think you gave that much thought. How about this- if the US wants the mid east to be more like the US, maybe it should be making the text books children use. Jordan and Egypt are forming the minds of Palestinians, not the Israelis or US. Do you realize the power in controlling what children are taught?

This is not just about what Jordanians and Egyptians are teaching Palestinians, but also about what Jewish Israelis are teaching. They are teaching Jews are Gods choosen people. In the Christian bible, it says Jews can own slaves but can not be slaves because of their special relationship with God. It tells Jews to not eat food after it is something like 4 days old, but they can feed it to non Jews. Are these things that should be taught? What might result from an education that tells people they are special to God and they are to treat each other differently than the rest of humanity?

[The_Genius]

I really hate seeing Muslims hating Christians and Jews. As a Muslim, I criticize myself first before blame others. I should rectify my faults first, then point fingers at others. Muslims should be more thoughtful because...

Prophet Mohammed (saw) is the role model for all Muslims. He never hated the Jews. In fact, he made pacts with Jews of the city of Yathrib (currently known as Medina). Those Jews and Mohammed (saw) had a very good understanding until the Jews made a pact with Meccan Pagans to wage war against Muslims. However, Mohammed (saw) never insulted Christians / Jews or their religious beliefs because He knew that they were people of an earlier revelation.

Anti-semitism had never existed in the Arab world until the Israeli occupation of Palestine. There are Jewish communities currently living in Egypt and Iran. It shows majority of Muslims ummah are not anti-semitic but anti-Zionist.

[GHook93]

QUOTE=The_Genius;331509: I really hate seeing Muslims hating Christians and Jews.

Very respectable

As a Muslim, I criticize myself first before blame others. I should rectify my faults first, then point fingers at others

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Not true

Anti-semitism had never existed in the Arab world until the Israeli occupation of Palestine. .

Come on you know this is true!

There are Jewish communities currently living in Egypt and Iran. It shows majority of Muslims ummah are not anti-semitic but anti-Zionist

So you might even bring up there is a Jewish Member of Parliment in Iran. Nevertheless, they are seen and treated as second class citizens. They are treated in a similar discriminating fashion as the African-American in the early 1900s!

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: GHook93 Come on you know this is true!

I don't even care, that much, but of course it isn't true. History shows us that there have been conflicts between Jews and Muslims long before the current Israel/Palestine conflict. In addition, if you're so concerned with Semantics, and I do realize semitic people are not limited to Hebrew speakers, then you should come to really understand the word "context". The word "semitic" is a linguistics term. Anti-semitic (a different word) is a sociological term.

[The_Genius]

However, we should not ignore the fact that even if Jews are treated as second class citizens in Arab countries, its not nearly as bad as the way Palestinians are treated.

[GHook93]

Quote by: The_Genius However, we should not ignore the fact that even if Jews are treated as second class citizens in Arab countries, its not nearly as bad as the way Palestinians are treated.

True, but that is due to the fact that they are in active combat against one another. If Jews in Iran started bombing themselves up in crowded Iranian market-places, how many do you think would still be there? None, they probably all would be dead!

The only thing we might agree on is that Palestinians deserve their own country, but it is unacceptable the means they are taking to get it.

[Athena]

Quote by: The_Genius I really hate seeing Muslims hating Christians and Jews. As a Muslim, I criticize myself first before blame others. I should rectify my faults first, then point fingers at others. Muslims should be more thoughtful because... Prophet Mohammed (saw) is the role model for all Muslims. He never hated the Jews. In fact, he made pacts with Jews of the city of Yathrib (currently known as Medina). Those Jews and Mohammed (saw) had a very good understanding until the Jews made a pact with Meccan Pagans to wage war against Muslims. However, Mohammed (saw) never insulted Christians / Jews or their religious beliefs because He knew that they were people of an earlier revelation. Anti-semitism had never existed in the Arab world until the Israeli occupation of Palestine. There are Jewish communities currently living in Egypt and Iran. It shows majority of Muslims ummah are not anti-semitic but anti-Zionist.

I am confused. I thought Arabs are semitic. Doesn't semitic mean a group people who speak semitic languages? This includes Assyrian, Aramaic. Syrian, Canaanitic, Pheonician, Hebrew, Arabic, and Ethoipic. It is my bet the word anti-semitic meant people who culturally were more semitic than European. You know, not Aryian, or Anglo-Saxon. Actually, the history of this human clash could be very revealing. Aryians start in Persia and Persians hate Arabs. Aryians spread through India and Europe, evolving to Hitler wanting a perfect Aryian race and persecuting Semitic people. I am not sure of this history, and hope someone can correct me if I am wrong. I think we have something to gain by being clear on the history.

[Athena]

Quote by: GHook93 True, but that is due to the fact that they are in active combat against one another. If Jews in Iran started bombing themselves up in crowded Iranian market-places, how many do you think would still be there? None, they probably all would be dead! The only thing we might agree on is that Palestinians deserve their own country, but it is unacceptable the means they are taking to get it.

What is unacceptable is the British allowed this problem to happen in the first place. They encouraged the Arabs to fight the Turks, and supplied the Arabs with the weapons. The Arabs thought they would get control of the territory that they drove the Turks out of. However, to get money for the weapons, the British promised the land for Israel to Rothchild. Then the Brits assisted in the immigration of Jews and prevented the people who had lived in this region for centuries, from doing any thing about the immigration of Jews.

Later the Brits did attempt to limit the immigration of Jews, but the Jews already were strong enough to fight for the territory, and so the fight began. The Arab countries didn't have much say in UN decisions, leaving the powerful countries who cared nothing about Arabs, to determine what happened. These none Arab people divided Arab territory as they pleased and made a mess of things. They have always ignored the Arabs leaving in the Palestine. Like native American tribes, they are divided from the good land to the land that is almost unless. These patches of Palestinians towns are separate from each other, leaving Israel with intolerable control over the region and those who live there. The Arabs who remain fight for the region no one had the right to take from them. How are they wrong for this? I fault all the Allied countries for doing this to the Palestinians, and not doing enough to right the wrong.

This thread is about what people are taught to perpetuate the conflict. I do not know the Jewish thinking and how they see themselves as innocent victims, but they do not teach their children the history I have just explained.

Essential to democracy is believing we are all equal. This does not mean we are the same. It means God has no favorites, and therefore, never gave any human beings something that was not given to all human beings. This irradicates the whole concept of being a Jew. No Jews, no people special to God, no Israel. Now how did the conflict between Jews and Arabs happen if we are all equal under God? How do they even know who is one of us and who is one of them, if they are a democracy? IF YOU HAVE A DEMOCRACY THERE IS NO THEM AND US. RELIGION, CREATES "THEM" AND "US", AND NATIONALISM CAN CREATE "THEM" AND "US". BUT DEMOCRACY IS WHAT ENDS THE DIVISION OF "THEM" AND "US".

THE ORGINAL WRONG TEACHING IS THE THEM AND US TEACHING. JUDISM BEGINS WITH THIS WRONG TEACHING. THIS TREAD IS ABOUT EDUCATION. WHAT PEOPLE ARE BEING TAUGHT THAT RESULTS IN CONFLICT.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: The_Genius However, we should not ignore the fact that even if Jews are treated as second class citizens in Arab countries, its not nearly as bad as the way Palestinians are treated.

Again, not true. There just aren't that many Jews stupid enough to stay in these countries. Their lands are often siezed, they've been expelled from nearly a dozen islamic states, jews aren't allowed back in, and YES they have also been killed. Its just that no one wants to risk their life to live in those gay ass countries, so Jews don't occupy that area.

[Krazyjuice]

Quote by: Athena I don't think you gave that much thought. How about this- if the US wants the mid east to be more like the US, maybe it should be making the text books children use. Jordan and Egypt are forming the minds of Palestinians, not the Israelis or US. Do you realize the power in controlling what children are taught? This is not just about what Jordanians and Egyptians are teaching Palestinians, but also about what Jewish Israelis are teaching. They are teaching Jews are Gods choosen people. In the Christian bible, it says Jews can own slaves but can not be slaves because of their special relationship with God. It tells Jews to not eat food after it is something like 4 days old, but they can feed it to non Jews. Are these things that should be taught? What might result from an education that tells people they are special to God and they are to treat each other differently than the rest of humanity?

I have given it much thought. That's all I was willing to say in response to your post.

Organized religion is the root of all evil, no matter what country its followers are from. Israel, Palestine, India, Pakistan, USA, Iraq, Afghanistan. As a non-religious person in the USA, I do feel sometimes that Christianity(as well as Judaism in Miami Beach) is shoved down my throat.

If people actually fought for what is right and not for what is in some religious text this world would be a much better place.

[Athena]

Quote by: Krazyjuice I have given it much thought. That's all I was willing to say in response to your post. Organized religion is the root of all evil, no matter what country its followers are from. Israel, Palestine, India, Pakistan, USA, Iraq, Afghanistan. As a non-religious person in the USA, I do feel sometimes that Christianity(as well as Judaism in Miami Beach) is shoved down my throat. If people actually fought for what is right and not for what is in some religious text this world would be a much better place.

I so agree with you! But tell me, do you think what Jordan and Egypt text books say about Jews is fair? When I read the Christian bible which is suppose to come from the Jewish Torah, I get a very strong message that the Hebrews saw themselves a different from all others and did have different rules for the relationships they had with each other and the relationships they have non Jews. Is what the Jordan and Egypt text says, true?

[Athena]

Quote by: Suburbanite Again, not true. There just aren't that many Jews stupid enough to stay in these countries. Their lands are often siezed, they've been expelled from nearly a dozen islamic states, jews aren't allowed back in, and YES they have also been killed. Its just that no one wants to risk their life to live in those gay ass countries, so Jews don't occupy that area.

The question of this thread is about the truth of what Jordorian and Egyptian text are saying about Jews. I got the quote from a Jewish site and it is a Jewish objection to what the text are saying. What is the truth that should be printed in children's text books? The difference the answer to this question makes is peace or war.