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Old Jan 19, 2007, 11:32 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Senate Democrats to America: "Shut Up!"

Read this and let me know what you think. Here's a quote:

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Quote by: Gary North
From Congress's point of view, there is a growing problem. That problem is the Internet. It allows people to communicate with each other almost free of charge.

An email can be sent to a million people at little or no marginal cost. A mailing list becomes a tool of instant education and motivation.

All over the wired world, politicians are finding that every government leak gets to a large audience within hours. I call this the Drudge-Lewinsky factor.

Every audience has a hot button. Politicians today cannot pass any bill, short of a national emergency, in which they do not inevitably press some special-interest group's negative hot button.

If people on an email list are alerted to what the politicians are planning to do to them, they will in turn send an email, phone their representatives, or even – I am not making this up – sit down, write a letter of protest, put it in an envelope, stamp the envelope, and mail it to their political representative. (Yes, such things are still done. Or so I'm told.)

Worse, from the politicians' point of view, the Internet allows organizations to remind people on their mailing lists which politicians voted the wrong way. The subscribers would normally forget within six months, but not if they keep getting reminded.

The Internet makes it cheap to remind them.

The Internet is therefore a tool of voters to impose their will on recalcitrant politicians. So far, the politicians have been powerless to stop this.

This is about to change.
I plan on writing opposition letters to both of my Senators.

- Rob


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Old Jan 19, 2007, 12:04 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Sounds like they got a problem with freedom of speech, education, and us knowing what the hell they're doing.

They don't like it? They can suck a fart from my arse. Get used to it, because it's reality.

They just don't like the fact that we're no longer becoming sheep that are easily brainwashed and enclosed from the rest of the world and their points of view. It's harder to keep control over us for what they want to do, so now they're gonna try and make it otherwise........

I would seriously like to see them try. I really would.

Is it just me, or is it everyday that goes by, I hear something in the news about the Government attempting to restrict our liberties and freedoms for their own benefits a piece at a time?
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Old Jan 19, 2007, 12:05 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Excellent idea........might also want to place a link in the first post, showing "how to contact your reps".

I have seen quotes from both the UN, wanting to tax all of us on our access to the web--without a vote or ratification of a treaty by the Senate as required by the US Constitution; and one from Hillary Clinton, saying that there needed to be regulation of its content, because anyone can say anything on here.

If we don't apply the same fervor of activism that motivates the ersatz 'peace' movement, then the poor will suffer disconnect worst of all..........as usual.

Taxes ALWAYS hurt the poor more than the rich, so I find it a trifle contradictory that the left portray themselves as for the underdog, when they're the ones always squealing to be allowed yet further into the pockets of the working stiff.

I demand justice for our citizenry, not semantical gyrations designed solely for the obfuscation of their only real priority--their OWN continued power and wealth.

You cut the very underpinnings of capitalistic motivation to succeed, every time a new tax is levied or a present tax is increased. Yea, the very underpinning of freedom--which rests on the besieged but yet solid foundations of the right to own private property, without which your other 'freedoms' mean little.

Private ownership is the very context for other freedoms, the motivation for getting one's fat ass out of bed every day......it is the birthright given us by the spilt blood of our forfathers and we are little more than shirkers if we stand meekly by and allow the government to continue stealing more and more of it with some manufactured tax.

Thank you for your participation, you do great service to us all.



As you were...........(climbs off soapbox)


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Old Jan 19, 2007, 01:31 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Update: A member of another board writes:

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The Senate passed the bill this morning, but that section of the bill was excised by a vote of 55-43 that removed the grassroots lobbying provision from the larger bill.
Looks like we can rest easy for the time being.

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Old Jan 19, 2007, 01:38 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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yeah, i was about to post the same.

Senate passes Democrats' ethics, lobbying bill - CNN.com


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Old Jan 19, 2007, 01:51 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Thanks, Bishop, for posting that link! :)

Also, I'd like to thank Senator Robert Bennett (R-UT) for pushing the amendment to remove the grassroots-lobbying section.

If I believed in such a concept as "Traitors to the American People", those 43 opposing Senators would definitely fall under it.

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Old Jan 19, 2007, 05:32 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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I agree Rob.


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Old Jan 19, 2007, 06:36 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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They'll be bock....


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Old Jan 22, 2007, 03:48 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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They have been back every few years, for the last 156.

When they are gone, their replacements carry on in their name, so why is it as if they had ever left?


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Old Jan 23, 2007, 09:47 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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one question i had was whether/not this bill's deviousness was intentional - or, did the dems just get overzealous without considering the consequences?


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Old Jan 23, 2007, 03:41 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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I've given up on the "benefit of the doubt" argument when talking of poltics. It NEVER turns out that way, EVER.

“I can do any Goddamned thing I want. I'm President of the United States. I take care of my friends and I fuck with my enemies. That's the way it is. Anybody who doesn't like it can take a hike.”
-Bill Clinton, in a White House staff meeting, as reported by Capitol Hill Blue's Doug Thompson in his column on 1999-Apr-8, regarding sicking the IRS on Ken Starr

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