MLK & Israel's Wrong

[Athena]

January 14 was Martin Luther King Day, and government offices were closed to honor this day. This man like Mahatma Gandhi of India is a great man. What makes these men great? The stood for principles of human dignity and put their own lives on the line. They were strong peace, heard around the world and yet non violent. Okay---

Martin Luther King said "Whenever you segregate a minority you invediously discriminate against them." The Zionist movement did not segregate the mayority of Palestinians, but rather these Jews segregated themselves. Calling Israel a democracy is a pervertion of the meaning of that word, because by all intent Israel is for Jews. Regardless of how tolerant Israel is of minorities, these minorites must remain minorities and basically powerless, because Israel is for Jews. Every decision Israel makes is about keeping power in the segregated Jews hands.

Further more, because the Zionist had to take this land with violence it is doomed to be a war state, used by both Britian and the US to again control of this region. Israel has no choice but to do the bidding of the more powerful nations that have given it power, money, military weapons. Congress may be saying no to the US invading Iran, but the US is supplying Israel with the planes and weapons to attack Iran.

Back to Martin Luther King, he spoke out against the war in Vietnam when he could not control the violence of state police attacking his peaceful marchers, and later the violence of angry Black people. He made the connection between people believing they are superior and therefore have special rights to exploit others, and being intolerant of these others, and the war behavior of the US. Israel came to be out of segragation and violence, and is used by those who think think themselves superior and would rule by violence.

Now shall ask the nature of the God who rules over all this? Is this a jealous, fearsome war God, or a God of love and forgiveness? For centuries Jews endured without making war, but I think with Israel, they became the tool of Satan, regardless how much they want to people of God.

[The_Genius]

I think the issue of Jews being oppressive towards the minority is more political than religious. Although, the type of injustice they inflict on Palestinians can not be justified, I think it is right to say that they are frightened and would do just about anything to ensure "Israel's survival".
They have been enslaved by Egyptians, Romans and then we all know about the Holocaust. I think it is simply a case of taking the anger out of the unarmed Palestinians.

Many orthodox Jews have never visited Israel and they think it is not the right time to go there... As far as I know, according to Jewish doctrines, their Messiah will arrive on Earth and take them to Jerusalem (kinda like Moses). Therefore, many orthodox Jews hold the view that since they went to Jerusalem themselves - insteading of waiting for the Messiah to take them - it was a mistake.

It is pretty clear that Israel's attitude is merely political and it has nothing to do with the God mentioned in the Old Testament. It's not about Judaism but Zionist political agendas...

[GHook93]

Quote by: Athena January 14 was Martin Luther King Day, and government offices were closed to honor this day. This man like Mahatma Gandhi of India is a great man. What makes these men great? The stood for principles of human dignity and put their own lives on the line. They were strong peace, heard around the world and yet non violent. Okay--- Martin Luther King said "Whenever you segregate a minority you invediously discriminate against them." The Zionist movement did not segregate the mayority of Palestinians, but rather these Jews segregated themselves. Calling Israel a democracy is a pervertion of the meaning of that word, because by all intent Israel is for Jews. Regardless of how tolerant Israel is of minorities, these minorites must remain minorities and basically powerless, because Israel is for Jews. Every decision Israel makes is about keeping power in the segregated Jews hands. Further more, because the Zionist had to take this land with violence it is doomed to be a war state, used by both Britian and the US to again control of this region. Israel has no choice but to do the bidding of the more powerful nations that have given it power, money, military weapons. Congress may be saying no to the US invading Iran, but the US is supplying Israel with the planes and weapons to attack Iran. Back to Martin Luther King, he spoke out against the war in Vietnam when he could not control the violence of state police attacking his peaceful marchers, and later the violence of angry Black people. He made the connection between people believing they are superior and therefore have special rights to exploit others, and being intolerant of these others, and the war behavior of the US. Israel came to be out of segragation and violence, and is used by those who think think themselves superior and would rule by violence. Now shall ask the nature of the God who rules over all this? Is this a jealous, fearsome war God, or a God of love and forgiveness? For centuries Jews endured without making war, but I think with Israel, they became the tool of Satan, regardless how much they want to people of God.

First off Israel is the most culturally diverse country in the Middle East, which shoots down your argument. Second, maybe the Palestinian terrorist should learn something from MLK. But they rather take lessons from the KKK on bombing and blind racially motivated violent acts.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: GHook93 First off Israel is the most culturally diverse country in the Middle East, which shoots down your argument. Second, maybe the Palestinian terrorist should learn something from MLK. But they rather take lessons from the KKK on bombing and blind racially motivated violent acts.

Turkey and Dubai are two far better examples than Israel when it comes to culturally diverse places. Westerners would certainly feel that way...

By the way, Ghook, why are you sending me hate PMs? How old are you?

[GHook93]

Quote by: The_Genius Turkey and Dubai are two far better examples than Israel when it comes to culturally diverse places. Westerners would certainly feel that way... By the way, Ghook, why are you sending me hate PMs? How old are you?

For Israel Diversity:

The growth rate of the Israeli Arab population, is 2.5%, while the growth rate of the Israeli Jewish population is 1.4%!

Wow, the racist Israeli state has a larger increasing Arab population growth rate than Jewish.

According to the 2005 Israeli census, Israel's population of 6,990,700 is broken down into the following ethnic groups: Jewish - 5,313,800, Arab - 1,377,100, and close to 300,000 "unaffiliated" - mostly non-jewish new immigrants from the former USSR.

Wow, 20% of the population are Arabs in the racist Jewish state.

Ethnicity broken down by religion: Jewish - 5,313,800, Muslim - 1,140,600, Christian - 146,000, Druze - 115,200, Unclassified by choice - 272, 200. This data includes legal citizens of the State of Israel, not including any Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other citizen living under the Israeli-occupied lands administrated by the Palestinian Authority

16% are Muslim in the racist Jewish state. Amazing

Among Jews, 68% were Sabras (Israeli-born), mostly second or third generation Israelis, and the rest are olim — 22% from Europe and the Americas, and 10% from Asia and Africa, including the Arab countries

Parts of the world that make up Israel: Germany, France, Eastern Europe, Germany, France, and Eastern Europe, Spain, Portugal, Russia, India, China, Pakistan, Greece, Italy, England, the Netherlands, Morocco, Turkey, North Africa, the Mediterranean area, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, United States, Latin American Countries, Greece, Kazahstan etc.

Judism is a religion, not a national orientation. All these different countries create a melting pot, from every part of the world.

For Turkey Demographics of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nominally, 99.0% of the Turkish population is Muslim, of whom a majority belong to the Sunni branch of Islam. A sizeable minority of the population is affiliated with the Alevi sect.[5] The remainder of the population belongs to other beliefs, particularly Christian denominations (Greek Orthodox, Armenian Apostolic, Syriac Orthodox), Judaism, Yezidism and Atheism. There is a strong tradition of secularism in Turkey. Even though the state has no official religion nor promotes any, it actively monitors the area between the religions. The constitution recognises freedom of religion for individuals whereas religious communities are placed under the protection of the state[6]

99% are one religion! LOL now that is diversity for you.

The largest group of non-Turkic ethnicity are the Kurds, a distinct ethnic group concentrated in the southeast. The 1965 census determined that Kurdish was the mother tongue of 7.1%

Wow the largest on Turkish minority group makes up 7.1% of the population. lol that diversity for you.

So, the immense diversity observed in the published figures for the percentages of Turkish people living in Turkey (ranging from 75 to 97%) totally depends on the method used to classify the ethnicities, mainly whether to exclude or include Kurds

So the Turkish population could make up as high as 97%. Now that is diversity for you baby.


Mr. G you stand corrected. Don't let your blind hatred of Jews make your ignorant to the facts!

By the way, Ghook, why are you sending me hate PMs?

Because I think you should change your user name, it doesn't even come close to fitting you.

[rez]

Quote by: The_Genius I think the issue of Jews being oppressive towards the minority is more political than religious. It is pretty clear that Israel's attitude is merely political and it has nothing to do with the God mentioned in the Old Testament. It's not about Judaism but Zionist political agendas...

The concept of Zionism is religious in nature, therefore, your conclusion is wrong. Care to elaborate why you dishonestly decided to separate religion from politics when really they are working in unison to corrupt the world?

[GHook93]

Quote by: The_Genius Dubai are two far better examples than Israel?

So out of all the giant sized Countries in the Middle East, North Africa and Muslim Dominated Asia Countries. The best example is a country of 1.3 mil people (which Israel has nearly as many Arabs as that) in a country that is 5x smaller than even Israel. LOL

This country relies on nearly 100,000 Western foreigners, they call expatriates, since the government does not offer any form of naturalization or permanent residence to expatriates. So out of the population is made of 7% Western. That kills Israel's right? LOL

[The_Genius]

Quote by: rez The concept of Zionism is religious in nature, therefore, your conclusion is wrong. Care to elaborate why you dishonestly decided to separate religion from politics when really they are working in unison to corrupt the world?

yes, Zionists are trying to corrupt the world. I don't think 'Jews' are trying to corrupt the world. Zionism and Judiasm are two different things.

[Athena]

Quote by: GHook93 First off Israel is the most culturally diverse country in the Middle East, which shoots down your argument. Second, maybe the Palestinian terrorist should learn something from MLK. But they rather take lessons from the KKK on bombing and blind racially motivated violent acts.

Can we consider attitute verses altitude? Ideally the Jews are about altitude (virtues and God), but when it comes to Israel, they are attitude (ego and worldly). As Kuldeep says, we are all one. Our experience of life is our reactions to each other. We create our reality by how we participate in it.

I have seen many demonstrations of the prejudice problem in Israel, resulting from ethenic separation. The Isrealis are doing racial profiling, and where I live, we have laws against that. There is a discrimination problem in Israel not unlike White discrimination against Blacks. It is as MLK said. Your justication of it doesn't resolve the problem does it? You may think Isrealis are powerless to resolve the problem, but by justifying it (atitude), you become part of the problem. I do not believe if you replace attitude (ego/worldly) with altidude (God), you can be part of the solution. It is not easy to end racism, but at least an effort should be made, because it is the will of God that matters, not a group of people.

Number one, all children should have equal opportunity to the same education, not separate schools where each is taught a different history, perpetuating a conflict. You all need to sit together and come to an agreement about the best way to tell history, and then all children need to learn same history of Israel. End the ethical separate of different tellings of history. I am often shocked by the Israelis understanding of the history of Israel. It is devoid of unpleasant truths, and this is a major part of the problem.

I have seen the discrimination of which MLK speaks, repeatedly on television. Just the other night I watched a program about a Muslim Arab girl who was a Karate champion. She cared nothing about the Arab/Isreal conflict. As a teenager she didn't care at all about politics. She only cared about herself and winning. Yet she was harrassed at a competition and so upset by it, she lost. I could see she was going to loose by her reaction to the harrassment, and it hurt to see her loose because of conflict complete beyond her control, of which she wanted no part. Where I live we no longer tolerate this behavior. People still do it, but we have laws to prevent the racial harrassment, rather than justifying it as Israelis are doing, and prejudice Whites have done. It is our participation in reality that is the reality we manifest. Check what you are manifesting.

Again and again, we see examples of Isreal hatred of Muslim Arabs, and clearly the separation that makes the hatred so terrible. Just as MLK said, separation results in the problem, and it does exist. It is very much a part of the separate education of different children, racial profiling and land laws and policy in Israel. If you like, I will post links to clarify this truth.

When studying public policy, my professor explained only Jews are in the legitimate power circle. Palestinians do not have anything near an equal vioce in the power circles. Isreal would not be the Zionist dream if all had an equal say in the legitimate power circle. Be honest please. You are either decieving yourself or you are not well informed. Either way, until you are better informed and replace attitude (Jewish worldly ego for which God has punished the Jews many times), with altitude (God) you can not be part of the solution. There are things you can do to be part of the solution. Would you like to know what they are?

[The_Genius]

Quote by: GHook93 Wow, the racist Israeli state has a larger increasing Arab population growth rate than Jewish.

Hahaha... You don't even know what leads to lower birth rates. e.g- Alcohol abuse, divorce, miscarriage due to late marriages etc. These things happen a lot more in Israeli society and thus, affect a couple's reproductivity.

Huge percentage of Jews in Israel are immigrants. Don't forget, Jews are occupants... Arabs are natives.

16% are Muslim in the racist Jewish state. Amazing

It's their legit home. Do you blame them? 16% is very low considering Palestine is a nation with world's largest number of refugees.

Don't let your blind hatred of Jews make your ignorant to the facts!

no need to get emotional. I don't hate Jews.

Because I think you should change your user name, it doesn't even come close to fitting you.

Coming from you?

[Athena]

Quote by: The_Genius Hahaha... You don't even know what leads to lower birth rates. e.g- Alcohol abuse, divorce, miscarriage due to late marriages etc. These things happen a lot more in Israeli society and thus, affect a couple's reproductivity. Huge percentage of Jews in Israel are immigrants. Don't forget, Jews are occupants... Arabs are natives. It's their legit home. Do you blame them? 16% is very low considering Palestine is a nation with world's largest number of refugees. no need to get emotional. I don't hate Jews. Coming from you?

I see personal attacks here. This time Genius, I will fault you on incorrectly explaining the low birth of Jews. Then I will point out the difference in birth rate would not be a problem, except that Irael wants to claim to be a democracy, and therefore, Jews must outnumber Palestinians, because they must maintian the majority. This has everything to with controlling land use and decisions that keep Palestinians refugees. That is, the defense of Israel Jews, is part of the an explanation of the problem.

Why do we choose to have small families or do not choose to do so, is a matter of values. What are the values of those who choose small families, verses having large families? Would one set of values tend to lead to alcoholism and divorce more than the other set of values? Is one side meeting emotional human needs better than the other? How about ego needs verses social needs? Is this conflict in values resolvable? What happens when such conflicts in values are not resolved? This us verses them thinking is part of the problem. Can these two sides use a shared understanding of God to get beyond this? What is the highest principle?

[GHook93]

Quote by: The_Genius yes, Zionists are trying to corrupt the world. I don't think 'Jews' are trying to corrupt the world. Zionism and Judiasm are two different things.

No the Islamic Terrorist and Muslim Extremist are trying to Corrupt the world!
The Zionist just want their own country (one of the smallest in the world) and to be left alone.

[arielmessenger]

Quote by: GHook93 No the Islamic Terrorist and Muslim Extremist are trying to Corrupt the world! The Zionist just want their own country (one of the smallest in the world) and to be left alone.

If this were true, they would have asked for a homeland in the old Khazar kingdom north of Turkey in one of the souther Russian states where Ashkenazis came from, Ashkenazis comprising 92% of all Jews in 1961.

Israel is the Ashkenazi fraud perpetrated on the whole world that has produced so much evil in the Middle East with European Ashkenazis successfully lobbying Western powers and their control of the U.N. to create a new European colony of primarily European Jewish converts in Israel through the removal of Semitic Palestinians from their own homeland.

I agree with the Neterei Karta Jews that modern Israel is an abomination to God.

[GHook93]

QUOTE=The_Genius; Hahaha... You don't even know what leads to lower birth rates. e.g- Alcohol abuse, divorce, miscarriage due to late marriages etc. These things happen a lot more in Israeli society and thus, affect a couple's reproductivity.

Don't hate the Jews huh. This argument is streaming with hatred!

Huge percentage of Jews in Israel are immigrants. Don't forget, Jews are occupants... Arabs are natives.

Nearly 70% were born there. And every country has immigrants. The less tolerate ones have more, I guess that leaves out the majority of middle eastern countries

It's their legit home. Do you blame them? 16% is very low considering Palestine is a nation with world's largest number of refugees.

God, are you even capable of getting a point. I didn't even hint to the fact that they shouldn't be their or should leave. Actually I love the fact that they are there. It proves that Arabs and Jews can live in peace as brothers.

Actually I stated this as a point that Israel is diverse. Not only are there people from all over the world as Israeli citizens, but there are 1.3 million Israeli non-Palestinian Arabs

I gues you forgot to read this line - "not including any Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other citizen living under the Israeli-occupied lands administrated by the Palestinian Authority."

That number doesn't include Palestinians. Imagine where it would be if it did.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: arielmessenger If this were true, they would have asked for a homeland in the old Khazar kingdom north of Turkey in one of the souther Russian states where Ashkenazis came from, Ashkenazis comprising 92% of all Jews in 1961. Israel is the Ashkenazi fraud perpetrated on the whole world that has produced so much evil in the Middle East with European Ashkenazis successfully lobbying Western powers and their control of the U.N. to create a new European colony of primarily European Jewish converts in Israel through the removal of Semitic Palestinians from their own homeland. I agree with the Neterei Karta Jews that modern Israel is an abomination to God.

I couldn't say it better.

[The_Genius]

One of the main reasons behind Israeli-Palestinian conflict is 'misunderstanding of religious history'. The Jews think they own the region because:

1. Abraham (ancestor of Christians, Jews and Muslims) lived in that region.
2. God promised them that land.
3. Moses took them to the region.

Now I will explain why these three points should not apply…

1. Abraham was the ancestor of Jews (who are Isaac’s offspring) but he himself was not a Jew (many uneducated people claim such). He was a Hebrew, means someone who came from the other side of the Euphrates. It has been mentioned in the Old Testament that Abraham was a stranger in Israel and he came from a place called ‘Ur of Caldes’ (near Mesopotamia), modern day Iraq. Therefore, he was more of an Arab than Jew.

2. The Jews are offspring of Isaac and Muslims are offspring of Ismail. Thus, both have equal rights to live in Palestine. However, that does not happen in racist Israel.

3. Moses was not a Jew either. The name ‘Jew’ comes from Judah. Moses was a descendant of Levite, not Judah.

Let’s discuss recent events. After the Holocaust, Jews were given Palestine and Palestinians became refugees. One should think twice before calling the Palestinians “terrorists”; although radicals do outrageous things, some of them are fighting for liberation from colonist Israel.

Athena, I understand what you mean by their ‘ego’. I think the idea of being “God’s chosen people” would make most people egotistic. However, that type of mentality is not sensible. Just as you can always claim to be chosen, I can disagree.

Politically there is no solution in this conflict. It is widely known how Israel mistreats it’s Arab minority. There are thousands of examples of such racist, discriminatory acts carried out by Israeli Army. Palestinians can’t decide on any random ridiculous solution since it would always be a lose-lose situation for them. They are the ones living as refugees in their motherland.

[shrike]

One of the main reasons behind Israeli-Palestinian conflict is 'misunderstanding of religious history'. The Jews think they own the region because: 1. Abraham (ancestor of Christians, Jews and Muslims) lived in that region. 2. God promised them that land. 3. Moses took them to the region. Now I will explain why these three points should not apply… 1. Abraham was the ancestor of Jews (who are Isaac’s offspring) but he himself was not a Jew (many uneducated people claim such). He was a Hebrew, means someone who came from the other side of the Euphrates. It has been mentioned in the Old Testament that Abraham was a stranger in Israel and he came from a place called ‘Ur of Caldes’ (near Mesopotamia), modern day Iraq. Therefore, he was more of an Arab than Jew. 2. The Jews are offspring of Isaac and Muslims are offspring of Ismail. Thus, both have equal rights to live in Palestine. However, that does not happen in racist Israel. 3. Moses was not a Jew either. The name ‘Jew’ comes from Judah. Moses was a descendant of Levite, not Judah

Again this religious bullshit. This has nothing to do with history and real facts.
Anyway there were several Jewish states in Israel along the history. Since the destruction of the last Jewish state. There were no other independent entities in this area until again the creation of Jewish state.

Let’s discuss recent events. After the Holocaust, Jews were given Palestine and Palestinians became refugees. One should think twice before calling the Palestinians “terrorists”; although radicals do outrageous things, some of them are fighting for liberation from colonist Israel.

The refuge problem was created only because Arab states brutally attacked newly created Israel. If they wouldnt do so. There could be Palestinian state 60 years ago.

Politically there is no solution in this conflict. It is widely known how Israel mistreats it’s Arab minority. There are thousands of examples of such racist, discriminatory acts carried out by Israeli Army. Palestinians can’t decide on any random ridiculous solution since it would always be a lose-lose situation for them. They are the ones living as refugees in their motherland

There would be no solution until Arabs will accept Israel existence and Jewish right for self determination.

[shrike]

Here is what MLK has to say about anti-Zionism

Another position is that criticism of Israel or Zionism is not in itself antisemitic, but that anti-Zionism can be used to hide antisemitism. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., in response to a question from the audience after a lecture at Harvard University shortly before his death in 1968, said: "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews; you are talking anti-Semitism."[16]

Anti-Zionism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[The_Genius]

Quote by: shrike Again this religious bullshit. This has nothing to do with history and real facts.

Truth hurts? Religion playes a big role man...

Anyway there were several Jewish states in Israel along the history. Since the destruction of the last Jewish state. There were no other independent entities in this area until again the creation of Jewish state. The refuge problem was created only because Arab states brutally attacked newly created Israel. If they wouldnt do so. There could be Palestinian state 60 years ago.

Israelis massacred Palestinians villages. Why are you ignoring that?

There would be no solution until Arabs will accept Israel existence and Jewish right for self determination.

Why should Palestinians pay with life, land and blood for what Hitler has done to the Jews?

[shrike]

Truth hurts? Religion playes a big role man...

Only your fairy tales are not verified by scientific community,

Israelis massacred Palestinians villages. Why are you ignoring that?

And why you ignoring that Jews was constantly massacered by Palestinians?

Why should Palestinians pay with life, land and blood for what Hitler has done to the Jews?

Its not their land.