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Old Jan 13, 2007, 04:23 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Official Racism

Where does hate start?
Hint: A fish rots from the head first.

America began on the wrong foot. Columbus was an evil man, but his accomplice the Church, blessed his evil.
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Christopher Columbus: The Untold Story

Pope Gives the Americas to Spain
Following Columbus' discovery, Pope Alexander VI issued a May 4, 1493, papal bull granting official ownership of the New World to Ferdinand and Isabella. To these monarchs, the Pope declared:


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"We of our own motion, and not at your solicitation, do give, concede, and assign for ever to you and your successors, all the islands, and main lands, discovered; and which may hereafter, be discovered, towards the west and south; whether they be situated towards India, or towards any other part whatsoever, and give you absolute power in them." [9]
This decree did not go unchallenged. Francis I of France, for example, later quipped: "The sun shines on me as well as on others. I should be very happy to see the clause in Adam's will which excluded me from my share when the world was being divided." [10]
Nonetheless, the Pope's declaration ultimately had dire consequences for native inhabitants of the Americas. Beginning in 1514 Spanish conquerors adopted "the Requirement," an ultimatum in which Indians were forced to accept "the Church as the Ruler and Superior of the whole world" or face persecution. If Indians did not immediately comply, the Requirement warned them:
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"We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as their Highnesses may command; and we shall take away your goods, and shall do all the harm and damage that we can." [11]
Often the Requirement was read to Indians without translation, or in some cases even from ships before crew members landed to kill Indians and take slaves. [12]


Teddy Roosevelt said “The only good Indians are the dead Indians”

At a1939 Americanism rally (for George Washingtons Birthday) in Madison Square Garden, the other Roosevelt (Franklin) was booed by 20,000 nazi sympathizers. The same crowd, heiled Hitler. (Note: This says more about the people than the leadership. It is the kind of people that allow and elect hateful representation)

Pope Eugenius IV outlawed Catholics from eating and drinking with Jews.

Martin Luther recommends burning synagogues and razing of Jewish homes. Cash and treasure of gold and silver should also be taken from the Jews, according to Luther. They should then be driven out of the country.

Pope Pius IX declared the Jews were “dogs”

Pope Pius Xii blessed Hitler in 1939.
(the above facts were gleaned from the text "Understanding Prejudice and Discrimination" by Scott Plous)

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Allports Scale

The scale
Allport’s Scale of Prejudice goes from 1 – 5.

Scale 1, Antilocution
Antilocution means a majority group freely make jokes about a minority group. Speech is in terms of negative stereotypes and negative images. This is also called hate speech. It is commonly seen as harmless by the majority. Antilocution itself may not be harmful, but it sets the stage for more severe outlets for prejudice.

Scale 2 Avoidance
People in a minority group are actively avoided by members of the majority group. No direct harm may be intended, but harm is done through isolation.

Scale 3 Discrimination
Minority group is discriminated against by denying them opportunities and services and so putting prejudice into action. Behaviours have the specific goal of harming the minority group by preventing them from achieving goals, getting education or jobs, etc. The majority group is actively trying to harm the minority.

Scale 4 Physical Attack
The majority group, vandalise minority group things, they burn property and carry out violent attacks on individuals or groups. Physical harm is done to members of the minority group. Examples are lynchings of blacks, programs against Jews in Europe, tarring and feathering Mormons in 1800s and British Loyalists in the 1700s.

Scale 5 Extermination
The majority group seeks extermination of the minority group. They attempt to liquidate the entire group of people (e.g., Indian Wars to remove Native Americans, Final Solution of Jewish Problem, and Ethnic cleansing in Armenia.).
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Old Jan 13, 2007, 04:40 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Great post. I wish I could recommend it twice
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Old Jan 13, 2007, 04:59 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Where does hate start?
Hint: A fish rots from the head first.

America began on the wrong foot. Columbus was an evil man, but his accomplice the Church, blessed his evil.




Teddy Roosevelt said “The only good Indians are the dead Indians”

At a1939 Americanism rally (for George Washingtons Birthday) in Madison Square Garden, the other Roosevelt (Franklin) was booed by 20,000 nazi sympathizers. The same crowd, heiled Hitler. (Note: This says more about the people than the leadership. It is the kind of people that allow and elect hateful representation)

Pope Eugenius IV outlawed Catholics from eating and drinking with Jews.

Martin Luther recommends burning synagogues and razing of Jewish homes. Cash and treasure of gold and silver should also be taken from the Jews, according to Luther. They should then be driven out of the country.

Pope Pius IX declared the Jews were “dogs”

Pope Pius Xii blessed Hitler in 1939.
(the above facts were gleaned from the text "Understanding Prejudice and Discrimination" by Scott Plous)

:::does his best imitation of the anti-minority posters of volconvo:::
But gr8fuldaniel, shouldnt we just let the past stay in the past? forget everyting, not learn anything, and just move on, even if the effects of the hate and discrimination are still felt and seen today? derrrrr
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Old Jan 13, 2007, 05:45 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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:::does his best imitation of the anti-minority posters of volconvo:::
But gr8fuldaniel, shouldnt we just let the past stay in the past? forget everyting, not learn anything, and just move on, even if the effects of the hate and discrimination are still felt and seen today? derrrrr
Its true that we should move on and leave the past where it belongs...

However, we should not sacrifice learning history in the process.
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Old Jan 13, 2007, 05:56 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Thanks GHook.

ByaKya, I know you are being sarcastisc,
but racism is so insidious that it will take ages to exterminate, if ever.

Stereotypes are perpetuated by society, both voluntarily and involuntarily.
Its a conditioned reflex.

We are groomed, programmed and conditioned from a young age to be competetive. We have been taught in school and at home and by peers that whites are a superior race when that is not true at all. In fact there is something called a one drop rule, that is worth looking into.

The White Supremecists got started too late. Every white person on the planet need only go to their 50th cousin to find some black blood in their family.

Official hate is not punished. This sends the wrong message to kids. Hateful kids are a symptom of hateful parents, teachers and leaders.

3/4 million people can be murdered by a president without any repercussions. But, the victims are dehumanized as only brown people. So he gets away with it.


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washingtonpost.com: Nigger: The Strange Career of a Troublesome Word

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President Harry S Truman called Congressman Adam Clayton Powell "that damned nigger preacher."

Nigger was also in the vocabulary of Senator, Vice President, and President Lyndon Baines Johnson. "I talk everything over with [my wife]," he proclaimed on one occasion early in his political career. Continuing, he quipped, "Of course . . . I have a nigger maid, and I talk my problems over with her, too."
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Old Jan 13, 2007, 06:27 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Thanks GHook.

ByaKya, I know you are being sarcastisc,
but racism is so insidious that it will take ages to exterminate, if ever.

Stereotypes are perpetuated by society, both voluntarily and involuntarily.
Its a conditioned reflex.

We are groomed, programmed and conditioned from a young age to be competetive. We have been taught in school and at home and by peers that whites are a superior race when that is not true at all. In fact there is something called a one drop rule, that is worth looking into.

The White Supremecists got started too late. Every white person on the planet need only go to their 50th cousin to find some black blood in their family.

Official hate is not punished. This sends the wrong message to kids. Hateful kids are a symptom of hateful parents, teachers and leaders.

3/4 million people can be murdered by a president without any repercussions. But, the victims are dehumanized as only brown people. So he gets away with it.


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exactly right, we should work together and educate some of the champions of "blacks arent slaves anymore, so were all even" faction. Mainly cephus, chancellor, and kemehameha.

i even linked to a study where people with simply white sounding names on resumes got 50 % more callbacks then people with simply black sounding names on resumes. And yet this study is dismissed out of hand!

We arent even talking about how huge a gap there is between whites and blacks when it comes to FACE to FACE interview, im gonna guess its even worse. and i think said this is most likely a major factor in why blacks nationwide are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites.

Its been this way for a while, black unemployment rate is twice the white employment rate, no matter if the economy is good or bad. in fact the statistics show that even when the economy improves, the gap remains exactly the same!

But no, this has nothing to do with racism or discrimination or anything of the sort, no sir ee bob, nope.:rolleyes:
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