A New Government - United America:

[Praxius]

Ok... a lot of people are talking about how much they hate their current government in the US. Here in Canada, we're pretty PO'd about ours as well, for different reasons, yet similar due to democracy being taking advantage of with loopholes and being stuck voting for the lesser of two or three evils.

There was also speculation and talk of some or all of Canada being merged with the US a while back in the 90's.... roughly around the time Quebec was moaning about separation and being their own nation.

I was totally against the idea of merging with the US, and some people in the US were against having some of Canada added to the US. One country would not want the other country's government, because they're used to their own.

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So I figured with all the semi-intelligent people in this forum, if we all got together and brainstormed a government that we would like to see in place to replace the current system.

Both governments so have their positives, but also many negatives. Perhaps implement the parts of the current system that you do like and add or change around those as a foundation to start from.

If someone has one idea and explains it, and you like it, but want to change something, quote it and bold the section you would like to change or remove. Explain why and see what others think. Work on one section at a time until it's pretty solid and then work on the next agenda.

When one part of the theorized government is completed, and the majority are pleased, I'll copy and paste that section and store it. Once it's all completed, I'll post it all into one large PDF or in another thread to start it all off clean and then go over it one more time with a fine comb.

I was kinda trying to do this with my other thread about Direct Democracy, but I think it got taken the wrong way or I explained things improperly. That government theory I started was to be picked apart and changed (A grounds to start from) ~ but ended up more of an argument of why it won't work (Which was obvious, hence why I posted it in the first place.)

Anyways, if anybody's got some ideas they want to throw out there to start on, that'd be great.

I called the title of this thread "United America" Because in this forum, we'll probably have input from people both in Canada and the US.... and those who are interested outside of these two, you're more then welcome to join in. But if there is input from people in both countries, I imagine if in the end of this thread, if everything is made in a decent agreement, then this theory could be placed for both countries.... and if both countries have the same government guidelines, then it'd be logical to form one large country and combine our forces as one.

So without anymore delay.... let the games begin.

[another day]

The larger the government and the larger the area it controls, the less effective it will be, and the less representation there will be for the people. In effect it would be stunting democracy to do such a thing. Small, municipal government is the key to successful and effective governing.

Besides, as a Canadian I want nothing to do with the government of the USA, as they have showed themselves to be corrupt, incompetent, evil, warmongers who would rather go to foreign countries and shoot people they don't know then focus on building a better country.

[Praxius]

Quote by: another day The larger the government and the larger the area it controls, the less effective it will be, and the less representation there will be for the people. In effect it would be stunting democracy to do such a thing. Small, municipal government is the key to successful and effective governing. Besides, as a Canadian I want nothing to do with the government of the USA, as they have showed themselves to be corrupt, incompetent, evil, warmongers who would rather go to foreign countries and shoot people they don't know then focus on building a better country.

Ah.... ok... this isn't about saying it's not going to work. This is for those who want, to spit out some ideas.

This is also about removing both Canadian and US governments as we now know them.... this is to fix corrupt, if possible or at least reduce. I don't want anything to do with the US government either, nor do I imagine the US would want ours.

And the larger a country is wouldn't have an effect on how... er.... effective the government would be, if you plan for that problem.... which this is for.

This is a hypothetical debate:

If both the US and Canada were to merge as one new country and we had the control as to how the government would run, what would you do?

[PatrickHenry]

The original US constitution did not forecast the growth of government to the overfed moster it has become.

What are the legitimate functions of government? Envisioned in the US Constitution are a common currency, a common trade policy with uniform tariffs, a common postal system, a nationally funded navy to forestall piracy, a military defense of the states under national leadership, and representation of both the state governments and the people in the national legislature. I think national diplomacy was also a part of the plan, and so was law enforcement.

Can we find common ground in some of these areas?

[Praxius]

Quote by: PatrickHenry The original US constitution did not forecast the growth of government to the overfed moster it has become. What are the legitimate functions of government? Envisioned in the US Constitution are a common currency, a common trade policy with uniform tariffs, a common postal system, a nationally funded navy to forestall piracy, a military defense of the states under national leadership, and representation of both the state governments and the people in the national legislature. I think national diplomacy was also a part of the plan, and so was law enforcement. Can we find common ground in some of these areas?

Those are a good start.... I'll search around for the basics of the Canadian Constitution....... and then we can pick one section at a time and chew it up for a while.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications.../print/ca.html

As an affluent, high-tech industrial society in the trillion dollar class, Canada resembles the US in its market-oriented economic system, pattern of production, and affluent living standards. Since World War II, the impressive growth of the manufacturing, mining, and service sectors has transformed the nation from a largely rural economy into one primarily industrial and urban. The 1989 US-Canada Free Trade Agreement (FTA) and the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) (which includes Mexico) touched off a dramatic increase in trade and economic integration with the US. Given its great natural resources, skilled labor force, and modern capital plant, Canada enjoys solid economic prospects. Top-notch fiscal management has produced consecutive balanced budgets since 1997, although public debate continues over how to manage the rising cost of the publicly funded healthcare system. Exports account for roughly a third of GDP. Canada enjoys a substantial trade surplus with its principal trading partner, the US, which absorbs more than 85% of Canadian exports. Canada is the US' largest foreign supplier of energy, including oil, gas, uranium, and electric power.