Iraq wants no part of more U.S. soldiers

[Fonceai]

I seriously doubt Bush is capable of any decision beyond what he wants to buy when he hears the ice cream truck music.

It's the people behind him, the puppeteer administration, that runs the show. They just shove their hand up Goober W. Bush's rear end, pass him a creamsicle, and tell him what to say.

They are all people who are trying to make things irreversible now because they know that come 2008, things will change.

What should be more disturbing is that those people are trying to set us on an unchangeable course after they are gone.

[spudnick]

After 9/11 there already was an unchangable course. We didnt make the course the people who attacked us did. In my opinion we have no choice but to combat these terrorists before they steal our freedoms.

[Praxius]

Quote by: spudnick After 9/11 there already was an unchangable course. We didnt make the course the people who attacked us did. In my opinion we have no choice but to combat these terrorists before they steal our freedoms.

I agree. Something had to be done..... Afghanistan was kinda a gray area of how to go about things. I was against it, but now that were there, US and Canadian + other countries, it's gotta be finished.

It all went right to hell as soon as Bush went for Iraq..... he thought he was on a roll and he fokked it all up.

Something had to be done, but this wasn't it.

The Terrorist attacked your country, yes..... but anything after that was your country's actions. They may have forced you guys into a battle, but you guys decided on how that was going to be done, so blaming all of the mess that's going on in the world squarely on the terrorists isn't correct. It takes two to start a war.

[spudnick]

I belive that the current situation is in fact dreadful. However, given the surcumstances, I think we had no other choice, especially since we have never fought a war like this. Hopefully after all if this is over, win or loose, we will have a better idea for combating these people in the future so we will not make the same mistakes again. Under the surcumstances with our given knowledge or belived knowledge at the time I think Bush did the only thing he possibly could.
BTW it does not take 2 to start a war, it takes 2 to fight one.

[Praxius]

Quote by: spudnick I belive that the current situation is in fact dreadful. However, given the surcumstances, I think we had no other choice, especially since we have never fought a war like this. Hopefully after all if this is over, win or loose, we will have a better idea for combating these people in the future so we will not make the same mistakes again. Under the surcumstances with our given knowledge or belived knowledge at the time I think Bush did the only thing he possibly could. BTW it does not take 2 to start a war, it takes 2 to fight one.

At least one to attack and at least one to retaliate.

[RickSp]

Quote by: spudnick After 9/11 there already was an unchangable course. We didnt make the course the people who attacked us did. In my opinion we have no choice but to combat these terrorists before they steal our freedoms.

Excuse em. So after Pearl Harbor you would have us declare war on which country? Thailand? Sweden?

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, was no threat to us and never attacked us, so King George goes off and attacks Iraq. Bin Laden did attack us but King George lets him escape at Tora Bora because he pulled out the best troops to attack Saddam.

Using 9/11 to justify invading Iraq is an insult to those who died on 9/11.

[bishop]

i don't usually post cartoons, but this one's on the money.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp Iraq wants no part of more U.S. soldiers The American people, the majority of the military establishment, and even the Iraqis oppose Bush's escalation of the war in Iraq, yet Bush insists of staying the course" with more of the same. Does anyone believe that it is a good idea to jump deeper into a civil war that we barely understand? Does anyone believe that 20,000 more troops will make any difference?

The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops. Your article says:

The Shiite-led government here has not opposed more troops.

Besides....most of the Iraqi's that were oppressed do not want us to leave until we help fix what was destroyed in War. It would be bad to abandon them.

More troops will make a difference. However, we must all pray for a strong and good Iraqi leader to rise up and take control of things, too.

[RickSp]

Quote by: deedee The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops. Besides....most of the Iraqi's that were oppressed do not want us to leave until we help fix what was destroyed in War. It would be bad to abandon them. More troops will make a difference. However, we must all pray for a strong and good Iraqi leader to rise up and take control of things, too.

Deedee, would you care to back up your completely false statment - "The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops"? Care to support it with more than just your opinion?

The overwhelming majority of Iraqi want the US to withdraw immediately.

Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers. In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post. Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp Deedee, would you care to back up your completely false statment - "The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops"? Care to support it with more than just your opinion? The overwhelming majority of Iraqi want the US to withdraw immediately. Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show

Your article says and I quote:

In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.

^^^^^ I would like to know the specifics on this poll.


Perhaps this video clip will help with regard to what I am trying to express to the reader of this thread:

LiveLeak.com - People gathering on the streets in Iraq after Saddam's execution


The prime minister of Iraq does not want the U.S. to pull out. (Nouri al-Maliki)

Let me cut to the chase right here and right now, Rick....because I know you just luuuuv the media.

Firstly.....everybody should know that Iran will run out of oil around 2015. We, the United States have that knowledge. Iran is trying to position themselves in Iraq so that they feel they have some world control.

Secondly.....Iran has been doing an excellent job with false media and they have been trying to take advantage of the more uneducated Iraqi people in telling them that the U.S. is evil and yada, yada, yada.

In conclusion....I would have to see the report that the Washington Post is referring to because the "Intellect" in Iraq are not wanting the U.S. to withdraw.

[RickSp]

Give me a break. Deedee. If you want to ignore well documented facts, at least be honest about it. The vast majority of Iraqis want us out regardless of your silly blather.

In conclusion....I would have to see the report that the Washington Post is referring, too because the "Intellect" in Iraq are not wanting the U.S. to withdraw.

The Washington Post article refers to multiple polls which all the show the same results. All are available on line.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp Give me a break. Deedee. If you want to ignore well documented facts, at least be honest about it. The vast majority of Iraqis want us out regardless of your silly blather. The Washington Post article refers to multiple polls which all the show the same results. All are available on line.

Generalizing, I see. ^^^^ If you cannot be more specific, then so be it.

On the other hand....I wil be specific. The PRIME MINISTER OF IRAQ does not want us to withdraw.




We can agree to disagree...........












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[RickSp]

Quote by: deedee Generalizing, I see. ^^^^ If you cannot be more specific, then so be it. .

I knew that you wouldn't bother to Google any of the sources. The fact that al Malaki, little more than a US puppet, nominally supports the policy isn't too surprising or impressive.

Most Iraqis Want U.S. Troops Out Within a Year

A new WPO poll of the Iraqi public finds that seven in ten Iraqis want U.S.-led forces to commit to withdraw within a year. An overwhelming majority believes that the U.S. military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing and there is growing confidence in the Iraqi army. If the United States made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would strengthen the Iraqi government. Support for attacks on U.S.-led forces has grown to a majority position—now six in ten. Support appears to be related to a widespread perception, held by all ethnic groups, that the U.S. government plans to have permanent military bases in Iraq.

Most Iraqis support attacks on US troops.

Support for attacks against U.S.-led forces has increased sharply to 61 percent (27% strongly, 34% somewhat). This represents a 14-point increase from January 2006, when only 47 percent of Iraqis supported attacks.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp I knew that you wouldn't bother to Google any of the sources. The fact that al Malaki, little more than a US puppet, nominally supports the policy isn't too surprising or impressive.

Thanks! Here is an excerpt from your article:

The growth of militias, in many cases allied to political parties, has been a deeply troubling phenomenon.

I agree with the above. This is why I have said:

Iran will run out of oil in 2015. They want some kind of oil control and they are taking advantage of the "southern" uneducated Shia and they are doing a superb job in telling them that the United States is evil.

I feel like a broken record.....again....the Prime Minister of Iraq does not want us to cut and run.

Another excerpt from your poll link says:

The poll was fielded by KA Research Limited/D3 Systems, Inc. Polling was conducted September 1- 4 with a nationwide sample of 1,150, which included an oversample of Arab Sunnis.

** To the reader of this thread:

The keyword for today is OVERSAMPLE. The poll included an oversample of the Sunnis. :rolleyes:

This poll was conducted before the execution of Saddam.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Sep06_rpt.pdf


For more sentiment of the Iraqi people....please refer to my signature. Have a good day.

[RickSp]

Your denials and silly tangents get really boring. Your statement was "The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops" which is patently false, even if Malhaki, a US puppet, is an exception.

[Gods_Mercenary]

You'd think they might start death squads to defend U.S. troops if they loved them so much.

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp Your denials and silly tangents get really boring. Your statement was "The Iraqui's do not oppose more troops" which is patently false, even if Malhaki, a US puppet, is an exception.

To the audience:

RickSp gave us a poll that included an oversample of the Sunni. Need I say more?

I rest my case.


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[RickSp]

Quote by: deedee To the audience: RickSp gave us a poll that included an oversample of the Sunni. Need I say more? I rest my case. .

DeeDee beyond demonstrating your ignorance of polling and statistics what are you trying to prove? Are you suggesting that you know more about scientific polling than the statisticians at World Public Opinion or the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland? Do you understand why oversampling is used or how it impacts the estimated margin of error? I didn't think so.

Why not admit that this is just more nonsense to avoid the obvious fact that your claims are absurd and wholly unsupported by reality?

[deedee]

Quote by: RickSp ......what are you trying to prove? Are you suggesting that you know more about scientific polling than the statisticians at World Public Opinion or the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland?

Again for the feeble minded.....

The poll you gave us included an oversample of the Sunni. The Sunni are not happy about sharing democracy with the Shia. Get it? The poll has a healthy number of pissed of Sunni who have to share the good jobs with the Shia. The oversample means there were more Sunni who voted in the poll vs. the Shia.

Saddam was a Sunni. The Sunnia are predominanlty pissed off at the Shia. Now do you get it?

Sheesh....I swear.:rolleyes:

[RickSp]

Quote by: deedee The oversample means there were more Sunni who voted in the poll vs. the Shia.

No DeeDee, that is not what it means at all.

Your innumeracy is impressive DeeDee. You do not understand the polling so you dismiss it. Your characterization of the how the polling was done is absolute nonsense.

And by the way a poll, referenced earlier, conducted by the State Department yielded virtually exactly the same results. Your insistence on denying reality is ridiculous.