Rafah

[Mia]

I haven't been following this as much as I meant to, but I do know Israeli's killed many in a refugee camp. This has to be terrorism as WE call it. A war crime. Yet we say nothing.

Now today they opened fire on people going to the camp to demonstrate. CNN showed footage (unbelievable) of the unarmed Palestinians simply walking down the street with bombs going off around them.

40 are dead so far.

This is legitimate warfare? I guess a Hamas member many have been one of the masses walking down the street so this is OK?

I am sick to my stomach watching this and knowing my government may as well be doing it themselves since they enable Israel to.

Israel needs to be invaded for similar reasons as Iraq. I am sick and tired of this country commiting every war crime and terrorist act it wants with silence from us. Except the sound of writing more checks to them.

Watch this footage and defend it, someone.

[Pooeypants]

Both sides are guilty of Terrorism but I doubt anyone would dare invade a nation that actually HAS a stockpile of nuclear weapons.
The USA will also veto any resolutions taken out against Israel by the UN so that's why very little action has or will be taken.

Remember, shooting at old men in wheelchairs with rockets from an air gunship is AWESOME. (disclaimer last part was a very poor joke so don't flame me)

[Mia]

It's making me sick and so angry and I can tell you, it's understandable why arabs want them in the sea. You would too if you were them.

And their hatred of us for facillitating it is 100% justified.

If someone attacked our people we'd do whatever it took to repel them. And if there was a benefactor state we'd be against them too.

Want to end the hatred of the US?

Get our government to stop commiting crimes all over the ME.

They didn't make this up, it's not in their religion or culture naturally. They are pissed off for good reason.

[Pooeypants]

I'd also blame for the British gov't for forming Israel state in the first place and now they're doing nothing to stop wholesale slaughter on both sides. But an invasion that you proposed is not required, the majority of the Israelis want peace with the Palestinians, we just need to help them oust the current government.

[Mia]

Why can't we just cut funding?

We will not give one more dime until you cease all inappropriate action.

Problem solved.

Israel can't live a week w/o us. We are in complete control if we choose to be.

The world knows this and yet again, this is a huge part of the hatred of us.

We had no problems with the ME until Israel.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Pooeypants, I'd also blame for the British gov't for forming Israel state in the first place and now they're doing nothing to stop wholesale slaughter on both sides. But an invasion that you proposed is not required, the majority of the Israelis want peace with the Palestinians, we just need to help them oust the current government.

Sharon should be assasinated like he is assasinating Palestinian leaders.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Pooeypants, I'd also blame for the British gov't for forming Israel state in the first place and now they're doing nothing to stop wholesale slaughter on both sides. But an invasion that you proposed is not required, the majority of the Israelis want peace with the Palestinians, we just need to help them oust the current government.

Sharon should be assasinated like he is assasinating Palestinian leaders.[/b][/quote]
I disagree. The assassination of the Hamas leaders have lead to more hatred and martyrdom. Fighting fire with fire is not a policy I am willing to support. (Unless it is a last resort or inevitable action)
Besides, the Israelis have their hand on the latest technology from the US so it'll be quite an amazing feat...

[Mia]

Oh, I know. I'm just saying what's good for the goose....

[Mia]

In reality, he should be removed from power and tried for war crimes from all the way back to when he was a military man to now.

But the reaction to suggesting assasinating Sharon is interestig.

Why do we condone his policy of assasinations if it is wrong?

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia, In reality, he should be removed from power and tried for war crimes from all the way back to when he was a military man to now. But the reaction to suggesting assasinating Sharon is interestig. Why do we condone his policy of assasinations if it is wrong?

I don't think many nations or the UN has condoned his assassinations and the methods employed.

[Impenitent]

sure, we invade israel, and israel nukes the place... that's another reason why we don't do anything... israel can nuke anybody off the planet... remember massada... never again...

[Dieval]

It's all Israels fault! All they do is kill unarmed Pals in cold blood! The Pals are a peace loving people, who would never pick up a gun aginst anyone!
ROFL...

Could you send a link to this particular story Mia...thanks

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Dieval, It's all Israels fault! All they do is kill unarmed Pals in cold blood! The Pals are a peace loving people, who would never pick up a gun aginst anyone! ROFL... Could you send a link to this particular story Mia...thanks

I think it's pretty established that both sides kill innocent civilians in the name of their causes.

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

Let me get this straight. People object to America forcing their morality on others, but we are supposed to do it here? Frankly Israel come closer than any other country in the world to leading by reason rather than irrational religious dogma.

[Samildanach]

Yep, I'd want to wash my hands of that one too. Let them kill each other off and see whos left at the end. In fact why not speed up the process. supply the palestinians with a few nuclear weapons tell them that the israelis gave them the fingers over the wall and let the games begin.

[PatrickHenry]

Mia, why the reference to "we" when referring to the US government? Do you include yourself? I don't. Realistically, I know I am just a slave with a mouth.

Solutions? Probably the best would be a fool-proof method of tax cheating. If they run short on money they just print more, I know, but the citizens could stop paying for policy that counters our values.

The rest of you guys...so cynical with people's lives... It's a cold world and you folks are the ice.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Mia,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mia,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>In reality, he should be removed from power and tried for war crimes from all the way back to when he was a military man to now. But the reaction to suggesting assasinating Sharon is interestig. Why do we condone his policy of assasinations if it is wrong?[/b] I don't think many nations or the UN has condoned his assassinations and the methods employed.[/b]

We are not doing anything to stop it.


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Let me get this straight. People object to America forcing their morality on others, but we are supposed to do it here? Frankly Israel come closer than any other country in the world to leading by reason rather than irrational religious dogma. [/quote]

What people object to most is the double-standards we employ - this is the prime example.




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Mia, why the reference to "we" when referring to the US government? Do you include yourself? I don't. Realistically, I know I am just a slave with a mouth. [/quote]


Because "we" could do something about it. The American opinion and action on the matter can influence the government.

[VXerick]

When Israel fights they do not place civilians in among the soldiers as cover. And the soldiers are in uniform. But the terrorists dress like the civilian population and take cover in with civilians. This is what the Palestinians do. Arafat has it down to a science. He can get pictures of the Israeli soldiers firing at civilians and that's all the cameras pick up but what you don't see and don't realize is there are many terrorists in that crowd. Just how do you expect Israel to deal with that type of behavior? If they waited until there were no civilians, there would also be no terrorists around.

[Mia]

As I said, watch the news footage please before responding in that manner. You don't know the particulars of the incidents I am referring to in Rahaf this week.

I can't find it on the web yet, but it was on CNN today and I'm sure it will be re-run.

[VXerick]

Originally posted by Mia, As I said, watch the news footage please before responding. You don't know the particulars of the incidents I am referring to in Rahaf.

Whether I know the particulars of the incidents or not, in general the terrorists use civilians for cover.