Taxes

[Blef]

I didn't write this, but I do think it is interesting. I regard all taxation as theft and I don't believe any of it is justified. Usage fees are a different matter. I believe they may be appropriate unless they are really just a tax in disguise.

I think this can stand alone without the comments at the end. I don't agree with some of the implications of those comments.

But anyway, here it is:

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries, then
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.
Put these words
upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me
to my doom..."
When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.
Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax,
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Interest expense
Inventory tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road usage t axes
Sales Tax
Recreational V ehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax
COMMENTS: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago,
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.
We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class
in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
What happened?
And I still have to "press 1" for English

[The Architect]

What is all this?

[Osborn F Enready]

It is a common sense analysis of what is coming, based on evidence we have now.

Tyranny, created and fed by unrelenting, unconstitutional taxation.

Our nation was so strong, it couldn't be defeated from the outside, and instead, has been defeated from the inside, by its own professional politicians who have manipulated the laws for the last 156+ years to maintain power, at the expense of the intrests of the American people.

[brien]

You had to remind me of all this. It is depressing. How sweet it must have been to live in Virginia in the late 19th Century. Government was small. There were very little taxes and no laws regarding personal behavior so long as it didn't affect someone else's liberty.

The one growth that has not damaged man's liberty has been in Medicine.

[G. Adams]

To claim anothers mind or abilities is slavery. Then why do we tolerate the claims upon the products of others minds? The choice is between not exercising your mind or abilities, to remain without an income, or become a slave to others. This system has been foisted upon us because we are ignorant and think government has a right to make us slaves, though we don't think in such clear terms. It is easier to simply engage in a society wide exercise of doublethink.

Additionally, taxes upon land property (your home) and restrictions such as planning permission amount to serfdom. Your council or city government, whatever it may be, acts no different from the baron who allows serfs on his land in return for a slice of their minds labour. At least, however, it was the barons land to begin with. Perhaps it would be more true to say that the council acts as a mafia.

[Blef]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready It is a common sense analysis of what is coming, based on evidence we have now. Tyranny, created and fed by unrelenting, unconstitutional taxation. Our nation was so strong, it couldn't be defeated from the outside, and instead, has been defeated from the inside, by its own professional politicians who have manipulated the laws for the last 156+ years to maintain power, at the expense of the intrests of the American people.

Well said, Os. That's exactly what it is.

[Blef]

Quote by: G. Adams To claim anothers mind or abilities is slavery. Then why do we tolerate the claims upon the products of others minds? The choice is between not exercising your mind or abilities, to remain without an income, or become a slave to others. This system has been foisted upon us because we are ignorant and think government has a right to make us slaves, though we don't think in such clear terms. It is easier to simply engage in a society wide exercise of doublethink. Additionally, taxes upon land property (your home) and restrictions such as planning permission amount to serfdom. Your council or city government, whatever it may be, acts no different from the baron who allows serfs on his land in return for a slice of their minds labour. At least, however, it was the barons land to begin with. Perhaps it would be more true to say that the council acts as a mafia.

Precisely so. What this little tax ditty demonstrates is just how hopelessly enslaved we are. And to think that people both accept this degradation, and even clamor for more, even though they may not realize what it is they are asking for when they beg the government to make them safe, healthy, and well-fed... for "nothing".

[Osborn F Enready]

Blef said: Well said, Os. That's exactly what it is.

Thanks.

Blef said: Precisely so. What this little tax ditty demonstrates is just how hopelessly enslaved we are. And to think that people both accept this degradation, and even clamor for more, even though they may not realize what it is they are asking for when they beg the government to make them safe, healthy, and well-fed... for "nothing".

The only thing I don't agree with is the part about "hopelessly".

I still have hope, arms, ammunition and will, and I will never bend or cower to the power of the state. Last year I paid no income taxes, and only purchased what was truly necessary (except my computer and internet service), and I plan on making each year better than the last at starving the state of my labor and funding.

If all people who thought as we did Blef, actually worked together on our common threads, we could starve the beast and force its position to either expose itself fully, via revolt, or the reaction to its perception of threat of revolt.

We can do this, we must do this, if not, people like you and I might as well die tomorrow, since without liberty life is not life, it is a prison sentence.

Each day longer that this goes on, the worse the costs will be, the longer the road to recovery, the more painful the personal sacrifice required to stop it.

[Blef]

Os, I have hope and will too, although I'm a little short of arms and ammunition perhaps. If you are self-employed and careful, you can avoid having to pay taxes. If you are employed, as I am, you can't avoid having taxes withheld from your pay.

It's going to have to get a lot worse, I'm afraid, before most people truly begin to wake up. If Bush could run for president again, I'd be willing to bet that most of the stupid sheeple would vote for the dufus again, despite his present low approval ratings. The country is still caught up in a nationalistic (i.e., fascist) fervor with widespread approval of flag-waving and chest-beating plans that call for trampling the rest of the world and throwing American weight around while discounting the costs.

It will have to get worse before it can get better.

[Osborn F Enready]

Blef said: It will have to get worse before it can get better.

I fully agree with the entire post, and I can only ask folks who think like you to join us in New Hampshire in the Free State Project, where like minds are always welcome.

I plan on being in New Hampshire within 4-5 years, if not Montana or Idaho.

Check this out if your unfamilliar:
[ Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime ]

as well as my signature links......

[jose]

In defending themselves against a federal government they claim is operating outside the government's jurisdiction, Ed and Elaine Brown have filed 42 motions in Concord, New Hampshire's, US District Court and had every one denied. The couple then spent three days in court last week listening to the federal government try to build an income tax case against them. "Of course the government failed. They didn't prove a thing. There's nothing to prove. We didn't violate a statute because there is no statute, and they don't even have jurisdiction. In fact, the court is operating out of a building that New Hampshire never ceded to the federal government--as the law requires in order to have jurisdiction over anyone who has ever been tried in that court!"

Yannone: Will Plainfield be another Waco?
Update: 01/14/07

The nationwide call has gone out on Rick Stanley's Standing Up For America Radio Show for Americans to peacefully assemble at Ed and Elaine Brown's property line--armed with weapons and cameras-- to protect them with a virtual "wall of Americans."

[Osborn F Enready]

Thanks for that link Jose.

[Blef]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I fully agree with the entire post, and I can only ask folks who think like you to join us in New Hampshire in the Free State Project, where like minds are always welcome. I plan on being in New Hampshire within 4-5 years, if not Montana or Idaho. Check this out if your unfamilliar: [ Free State Project - Liberty in Our Lifetime ] as well as my signature links......

I'm familiar. The effort may succeed after a fashion, but I doubt that it will achieve the statement of intent. Too many of the FSP members are white middle-class Republicans who happen not to like the modern Republican shift toward big government and invasion of privacy, but they are still essentially authoritarian in outlook. Many are Bush-lovers and some are war-hawks and a disturbing number of them are Christians (and I mean that in a bad way). You can't be Christian (or JCIZ in general) and pretend you are for liberty. The philosophy of obedience to gods and the philosophy of liberty are mutually exclusive.

You've got FSP members active in politics in NH who espouse common law "religious" beliefs like the doctrine of quiet enjoyment. You've got those who misunderstand the concept of freedom of association and think that it means that a majority in an community has the right to pass laws to restrict the rights of others to do things the majority disapproves of. Restricting prostitution and public nudity, for example. How is that different from so-called democratic society or the kind of society that Epistomologist espouses? It isn't, and it doesn't even vaguely resemble a free society.

The FSP membership is not, by and large, libertarian in philosophy, although they quote the buzzwords and recite the liturgy and revel in the novelty of pretending to be rebels and activists. They tend to drive off the categorical libertarians who see through their double-speak. Some claim to be minarchist, but they still approve of state coercion to enforce a bare minimum of law, supposedly with controls to prevent government from growing to serve itself. There's no such thing. When push comes to shove, they mostly will vote Republican, not Libertarian. Not that Libertarians are so great; even they have backed down from many of their principles in a "ends justifies the means" campaign to win popular support.

As for the FSP, well, Jason Sorens is certainly a dashing young man who had a fascinating but impractical idea, and he is even moderately interesting to listen to.

[Osborn F Enready]

Blef said: I'm familiar. The effort may succeed after a fashion, but I doubt that it will achieve the statement of intent. Too many of the FSP members are white middle-class Republicans who happen not to like the modern Republican shift toward big government and invasion of privacy, but they are still essentially authoritarian in outlook. Many are Bush-lovers and some are war-hawks and a disturbing number of them are Christians (and I mean that in a bad way).

I have to question the generalizations and the attitude, but its not my place except to say I disagree. From what I have seen there are many in the FSP from every perspective except extreme authoritarians or extreme socialists.
One thing they all have in common, at least all I have contacted, have been focused on individual rights.

Blef said: You can't be Christian (or JCIZ in general) and pretend you are for liberty. The philosophy of obedience to gods and the philosophy of liberty are mutually exclusive.

I disagree. I am not religious, but I have no problem with people who place religion where it should be, which is in their mind, if they subscribe to it. I do have a problem with people who put religious beliefs before reality, such as those who think politics and religion intermingle freely outside the individual, or for example, a politician who takes (a) God before his oath of office(of the people), and to the Constitution.

That's one reason I fall in the Libertarian, as opposed to Constitutionalist party if labeled.

Blef said: You've got FSP members active in politics in NH who espouse common law "religious" beliefs like the doctrine of quiet enjoyment. You've got those who misunderstand the concept of freedom of association and think that it means that a majority in an community has the right to pass laws to restrict the rights of others to do things the majority disapproves of. Restricting prostitution and public nudity, for example. How is that different from so-called democratic society or the kind of society that Epistomologist espouses? It isn't, and it doesn't even vaguely resemble a free society.

That may be, but no step toward success wouldn't be gradual, except armed revolt. Armed revolt causes a large (and in this nation) extremely dangerous power vaccuum, and I think should be avoided until the support for it is overwhelming (which it isn't....yet), or the government(s) take steps against the people using outright force.(Such as Hitler, disarming the Jews)

Blef said: The FSP membership is not, by and large, libertarian in philosophy, although they quote the buzzwords and recite the liturgy and revel in the novelty of pretending to be rebels and activists. They tend to drive off the categorical libertarians who see through their double-speak. Some claim to be minarchist, but they still approve of state coercion to enforce a bare minimum of law, supposedly with controls to prevent government from growing to serve itself. There's no such thing. When push comes to shove, they mostly will vote Republican, not Libertarian. Not that Libertarians are so great; even they have backed down from many of their principles in a "ends justifies the means" campaign to win popular support.

I am sensing you too are mini-archist, or anarchist?

Blef said: As for the FSP, well, Jason Sorens is certainly a dashing young man who had a fascinating but impractical idea, and he is even moderately interesting to listen to.

I don't see how its "impractical" at all, its limited risk with massive potential for gain, and has a public show of support, but a nod toward the rest of your opinion.

[Blef]

My apologies. My boss yelled at me today, so I took it out on this thread. Besides, I happen to be drunk.

I'm abolitionist, not minarchist. It's the state that I wish to abolish. Some call that anarchist, but the meaning of that term has been distorted beyond understanding, so I don't use it.

I attended the 2004 Porc Fest, so I think I have a good handle on the character of the FSP participants. They are nice to nice people whom they understand and relate to. But that's it. I befriended the disfavored who were largely looked down upon by the majority; no one else tried to make them feel welcome or knew what to make of them.

Guess I'm still in a bad mood.

[Osborn F Enready]

No offense at all Blef.

I support freedom of speech, with a touch of mutual respect.

I also have to say you may have more "on the ground" experience than I with the FSP, since I have not set foot in a "Porcfest" or New Hampshire yet, to my dismay.

Perhaps, and hopefully, in the near future.

I would like to question your views more, but perhaps another thread would be appropriate. Regardless, I for one appreciate your input and honesty, and wish more people typed, and spoke as well as you do when drunk.

Cheers'