New Direct Democracy / E-Democracy - Therory by Prax:

[Praxius]

I wrote this up a long time ago.... well.... three years or so.... and I figured, there's a lot of people here that seemed a little pissed about the governments they are under currently..... why not submit it here?

I thought it up one day, with nothing else to do except realize how much of a hole the government threw me in and how I could resolve this issue. It came to me in crystal form and I understood it completely at the time, but it was about two days later when I got a chance to write it down, so I probably forgot some corners.... but I had them all covered for the most part.

And even the parts I may have missed, I at least covered more then what the current government cares to.

Below is the long winded document I typed up..... it is a bit long, but then again, you can't revamp an entire country's government in one paragraph:

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NDD ~ or New Direct Democracy - September 13th, 2006 – Concept B-1:

There are many different types of Democracy. Some work by electing representatives for the people, and there are other’s that allow the direct opinions and decisions to fall on the citizens of the community. I am going to delve into the original “Direct Democracy” and attempt to improve on this idea.

#1 Original Definition of Direct Democracy:

Direct democracy is a political system where the people vote on all policy decisions, such as questions of whether to approve or reject various laws. It is called direct because the power of making decisions is exercised by the people directly, without intermediaries or representatives. Historically, this form of government has been rare because of the difficulties of getting all the people of a certain territory in one place for the purpose of voting. Criticism is also drawn upon the use of this term for it implies the notion of voting, while it neglects other democratic procedures such as speech and press and civic organizations. That is, these critics argue that democracy is more than merely a procedural issue.
All direct democracies to date have been relatively small communities; usually city-states. The most notable was the ancient Athenian democracy. Today, a limited direct democracy exists in some Swiss cantons that practice it in its literal form. The extensive use of referenda, as in California, is akin to direct democracy.

#2 Original Definition of Communism:

Communism is the political, social, and economic system of certain countries in which the state, governed by a single party without formal opposition, owns all property, control the production and distribution of goods and services, and, to a great extent, control the social and cultural life of the people.

~ To understand the following concepts and ideas, you must first understand the differences between the two most common governments in today’s world. Some of the following ideas I have shown previously have been told to me by some, that they are geared as Communist, however these people did not understand what true Communism is and what Democracy is suppose to be. One of my primary concepts is to remove the concept of currency from the aspect of life, both from those in political positions and the citizens they represent. Although those who have criticized this idea directly thought the concept was Communist, that political idea was still based on the government having the control over currency, therefore having the power over the country. Removing currency all together will bring a further balance between the representatives and the people they represent. Without the concept of money/power, which goes hand in hand, the only thing that would remain is to better the collective of society, the planet we live on and yourself.

Goals:
-No Currency
-Free Healthcare
-Free Education
-Everyone can work the job they dreamed
-Live for Recognition, not Money
-Global Career Recording
-Home over every Head
-No Prisons (as we know them)
-Less Crime Laws
-Legalized but Monitored Drugs
-Global Unity
-Real Democratic Decisions
-Improve way of life while keeping it familiar

NO CURRENCY –

The main problem with today’s world is Money. People want more money, so they can live easier; have more possessions, and more power. It is the current way of keeping order and control in the world. It is the way you trade goods and services. The World currently lives off of money. “Money Makes the World go Round”

This way of thinking must end, in order for Earth, and human to survive. Currency was invented back in around 2250 BC, and is an old way of trading which needs to be updated and evolved.

If suddenly money became worthless and you could no longer get paid for the job you do, what would you do? If there is no money, how do you get goods and services? This answer is covered in another section.

FREE HEALTHCARE –

A person’s health is the up most important. Why should people sit in waiting rooms for hours? Why should someone have to pay to get healed? When you are injured or need medical attention, it’s usually important. Also, how come it seems like some doctors and nurses just don’t care and it seems like they are just rushing you through, just to get on with their day? It’s because they took the job and the career, based on what would give them the most money and security in their lives. To some, it’s just a job.

But this happens in all jobs and businesses. You will always get that person who just doesn’t care, and they are just there for the money. Then if there is no money or pay, then what would be the purpose of having that career? More of this will be answered further down.

FREE EDUCATION –

Why? Because ignorance is not bliss. Many people who take small paying jobs, or jobs they don’t enjoy, is because they can’t afford the education they need to do the job they really want to do in their lives. Humans are on this planet to learn and explore, so why limit this to only those who can afford it? Those who can afford it, usually just take it, because it will give them more money down the road. They may not want to do it out of enjoyment, but if the money is there, then who cares?

With free education, anybody who wanted to do something with their talents, can do so and get a job in the field they trained in, because they’ll be more apt to do a better job, because they care, rather then the guy motivated by money. With no currency and free education, it would lead up to people choosing what they want in life, they’ll have more possibilities, more self esteem, more happiness in their lives.

EVERYBODY CAN WORK THE JOB THEY DREAMED –

Quite frankly, if there was no money motivation, then there would be fewer situations of people trying to take what another has, because everybody would be on the same level. Every job in the world is just as important as the next. The guy who runs the power plant, the guy who cleans up the building at night, the people flipping burgers for your meal, to the guy keeping all the planes in the air. Every job should be considered equally important and with that, those who enjoy what they do (For whatever reason) should feel proud of their job. There would always be someone to do a job, or the job wouldn’t exist.

Once you had the education, and once you found a place to live and settle down, you can look for a job in your living area that relates to your expertise. Those who you apply to will see your work history and your past work and as long as you keep your interest in the job you do and love, then there would be no reason not to hire you.

If you lose interest in the career you took, just go and learn something new. Life is about learning. Nobody can be expected to know what they want to do with their lives right away. Sometimes it has to be trial and error.

LIVE FOR RECONITION NOT MONEY / GLOBAL CAREER RECORDING-

With the job that you do, there would be a global recording system made, kind of like your Social Insurance Number, but more dynamic. With each job you get hired onto, and every college degree you take, it would all be recorded into a personal database for employers and yourself to view at anytime. History like your marks in the courses you took, the jobs you worked on and samples of each would all be stored on your account, so that when you look back on your life, you’ll be able to see everything you worked on, and it’d be stored under your name in the future, never to be forgotten. Family members and friends who want to learn about you, can access your database after your passing away, so that they would have some form of record of your life.

You would go down in history, without being forgotten, which is the core urge for all humans. Not to be forgotten when they are gone.

Employers and other people would be able to place in note and references into this database as well, commenting on your performance and personality, etc.

[Praxius]

HOME OVER EVERY HEAD-

With everybody working or learning, everyone would be contributing to society in one way or another. Since there would be no money, everyone would be able to have a house, or apartment, no matter what your income would have been.

Those who are in school are bettering themselves, which in turn, will better the rest of society when they finally start to work. Those who work are doing so already. How would you cover bills? How would you get food?

You just go into your job like every other day and go home like every other day. Except you don’t waste time with bills. Power is still running in your home, the TV is still on. You have your vehicle, and you have your bus drivers. Life would continue on, like it does now, but with a lot of other stresses gone.

There will always be the person who enjoys diving cabs, being police, flying airplanes, keeping the power flowing, cleaning up, fixing your shoes, or glasses. Those people’s reward: The thanks and Credit where credit is due.

“This guy makes the best pizzas!” “This guy can draw amazingly!” ~ If the credit and the recognition are not adequate for the person, then perhaps they are not in the job position they truly want to be in and are still finding themselves. The support is there for these people to get them where they want to be.

The other thing is art, acting and music. They are also considered contribution to society. Without the arts, there is no humanity. Those who wish to take up art in any way will still feel secure that they are contributing to society and will be remembered.

As long as you are contributing to society and you are bettering yourself at the same time, then you have a roof over you head. If you have no job and find it difficult to help out in society, there will always be those who enjoy helping you find the career for you.

For those who can not decide on a career, would be placed in a temp job somewhere, like McDonalds or some other “Unimpressive” Career, in order to help them realize they don’t want to do that with their lives and make them think of something better quick. Teenagers and those who are just getting into work would be placed in the un-popular jobs, until they figure out what they want to do.

NO PRISONS (AS WE KNOW THEM)-

With a society like this, those who were in prison for crimes in the past would have to be released (depending.) But not before training for entering a new world. They would have to realize that money is no more, and be taught what the big picture means for them. They no longer have to rob, deal drugs, or anything else for that matter, if they were in for lack of education and money.

Those who murder and commit more serious crimes would require special treatment and weather or not they could contribute to a new society, would remain to be seen.
There would be prisons in a sense, because you can never remove crime 100% but these would not be the prisons one would imagine they would be. For those who commit crimes in the new government would still face a trial and dealt with as appropriately as possible. Since in this new society, current laws and how to approach them would be reformed, and in the long run there would be a lot less types of crimes to deal with, therefore prison population would theoretically be smaller. These prisons would also actually be true “Correctional Facilities” where instead of being isolated for years, weeks and months without proper rehabilitation, and the general promotion of further criminal behavior from other inmates, there will be support there for them, so they can realize that they are not a lost cause. Additional details for extreme cases still remains to be organized.

LESS CRIME LAWS–

Within time, society may evolve into something that may not require crime or laws at all. Everyone would be able to get what they want, when they need it, they can do whatever they want in their lives, so long as it doesn’t interfere with another’s.

With everyone doing what they want with their lives, without the worries of money, then why would they commit crimes?

Once again, there will still be the Mentally Disturbed and people who may become serial killers, because the cause of these is still unknown or in the grey area of understanding, but with people who are passionate of their careers in the Military, Police and security, then you should feel confident that the best of society will track them down and protect you.

LEGALIZED BUT MONITORED DRUGS-

We all know that with the majority of laws dropped, money being gone, and freedom being explored further, there would be no need for laws against drugs. Everything from Caffeine to Crack would then become legal, however proper research and tests would have to be taken place on all drugs, and made known to the public, all pros and cons of each. Once again, education should be free and open.

Drugs are a personal thing, and at 18 years of age, nobody should be told what they can and can not do with their lives and their bodies. That’s what life is, personal experience, lessons and natural selection. The education would be there for them, and if they misuse that information, or don’t use it, then they will learn the hard way, and others will learn from their mistakes.

Programs will have to be out there to help people manage what they do. Some people like to drink a lot, and others like to go to a trance bar and dance with E. All experiences should be allowed, but help should always be there, so you don’t feel alone and you can take back your life, if worse case comes. With responsibility finally thrown into each and everyone’s hands, and the full spectrum of understanding is given to them about the consequences of their actions, society will no longer be treated as children under the government who don’t know what is best for them, when actually they do.

GLOBAL UNITY-

This method of government could work for one country, or the entire planet, if one so wished.

Some may wonder, “Ok, so your country has no currency, so how do you trade with other countries that still use money?”

Each country has a value in their lands, or something that another country can use. What you would do is something like this situation:

Let’s say Canada dropped currency. Now Canada exports lumber, fresh water, and many other things around the globe. If we were going to trade with the U.S., then what we would do is calculate the value (Money wise) of the amount of vehicles or computers we are to get from the US. Instead of paying for them, we do a goods trade, and say “We’ll take X amount of vehicles at this cost, and we’ll give your country X amount of lumber or water to this company in your country. The money they would pay us, just get them to pay the vehicle company. That way, their money is still flowing, they still get what they needed, and we get what we needed and all is balanced.

If a country did not want to trade this way, then too bad. Humans do not require things from other countries to live. Maybe to make things easier in life, but a country can still survive on it’s own with this system of government. If a country will not give you something you really need, because you would not trade currency, then you get your Scientists (Who enjoy their career and are there because they are the best) to help find alternatives to keep you going.

We all have to look out for one another and make each other’s lives better.

REAL DEMOCRATIC DECISIONS-

Along with the Global Employment Records for each person, they would be issued their own hand-held devices for voting on the fly and making decisions that will affect their society and country.

First thing would be to remove all politicians from the government and replace them with all new officials who are interested in making their country and the people in it, better and happier, not for money and a comfy place in life. These new politicians would not be in any position of real power, since the real power would be of the people for once. These new politicians would be mediators, to voice the majority of people they are run by.

If there are issues of health, or construction required for a location, the party member of that location would receive notification of a new official poll made up by the community, and would voice this poll to the political collective, and receive assistance from across the country, when needed.

When a party member seems to not be doing their job correctly, there are no 4 year waits for election, if the majority wishes for them to be replaced. Once again, all of this would be done by the hand-held devices, each person would be issued.

With today’s technology, it is possible to create these devices, or the necessary programs and tools required can be easily implemented into the common cell phone.

Political party members would consist of people who are interested in the people around them, care for their community and will do what is best for the majority.

No spur of the moment decisions would be made by this party. Ideas may arise, but must be presented to the country and approved by the people. 24 hour voting processes would have to be in place. Each day, you would check your Voting device and a list of decisions would be on them. If you did not have time to go through them at a part in the day, you would have 24 hours to place your vote, before the polls are closed and the final decision is made.

Pure Democracy, AKA: Direct Democracy, unlike today’s government, where you vote someone in, and they just start making decisions on their own and you got to suck it up.

[Praxius]

IMPROVED WAY OF LIFE WHILE KEEPING IT FAMILIAR-

With all of this in place, the system would work in upon itself, maintaining the society, and keeping everyone happy. Changes maybe noticeable right away in life, but still remain similar to what we are used to.

You go about your work day. You work whatever hours are required (8 hours max) and the rest of the day and the weekends are yours.

In order to keep people from taking more then they need in society:

Each person who works in society, would be entitled to one 2 week vacation a year, and allowed to travel anywhere they like in the world. Pilots and other crew, who enjoy their jobs, would love to take you to a nice resort somewhere, and let you explore the planet. Vacations can be added up, and you can take a year off if you liked.

Every 5 years, you are allowed to take 1 year off from study and work, to explore and better yourself and the planet.

Each person in society would be entitled to one luxury item per month, be that a car, or a stereo, etc. to help build their lives to what they dreamed. When starting a new home and family, you are allowed to get the basics required in a home to live (Couch, TV, Bed, Fridge, etc.) and accumulate more items down the road.

Food and Groceries – Each week, the amount you are allowed would be based on your household and health, which all would be stored on the Career Database, with everything else. Every month, you are allowed to get extra, if you wanted to hold a party or get together. Those households that are recorded as taking more then the average would be investigated into and addressed.

[Praxius]

This of course is not perfect, and there is plenty of room to improve apon this, since I forgot many of the aspects I thought of.... but it's a good starting grounds in my opinion, in evolving us away from our current democracy.

Any and all opinions are welcome.... so long as you actually read the above and don't respond with silly comments and questions that are already answered above.

[Osborn F Enready]

Totally against it, I wouldn't support it, and it goes against essential values I wouldn't relinquish until death.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Totally against it, I wouldn't support it, and it goes against essential values I wouldn't relinquish until death.

Which are.... and why?

[Osborn F Enready]

Basic individual rights, that are inherant by birth and limited by nature.

I abhor the concept of direct democracy, as it always results in abysmal failure.

It reminds me, for good reason, of several socialistic planks, to which I am naturally pre-dispositioned against.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Basic individual rights, that are inherant by birth and limited by nature. I abhor the concept of direct democracy, as it always results in abysmal failure.

Provide examples, please.

Grandpa h.

[Autolykos]

This will help you understand the truth: Opportunity Cost - Wikipedia

- Rob

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Basic individual rights, that are inherant by birth and limited by nature. I abhor the concept of direct democracy, as it always results in abysmal failure. It reminds me, for good reason, of several socialistic planks, to which I am naturally pre-dispositioned against.

Yeah, you are pretty vague on the details....

.... and based on the time is took me to copy paste, edit and post this thread and the time you took to respond would either point to:

A. - You're a very good speed reader... or

B. - You didn't read it all, if any.

There is nothing there in my list that I can see that clearly or even nearly infringes on any human rights...... if anything, there's more human rights then there are now.... so you got me at a loss.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Autolykos This will help you understand the truth: Opportunity Cost - Wikipedia - Rob

uh..... so by showing me the link, am I to assume that I have not looked over all the foreseeable problems? If that is what you are implying, that's the reason why I posted it..... to get feedback and opinions on how to improve apon this plan.

I've been picking away at it for the last few years, so I didn't just rush to a final solution and say that's it.....

Currently there is an independent politician in the Canadian Government who has been dabbling with his own "Digital Democracy" which when I read it, it falls along the same lines as the above (Just not as detailed) but still flawed..... but many citizens and myself agree it is the step in the right direction.

Our current form of government is old and outdated and to hang onto laws and government from centuries ago, will not help evolve the human society..... imo.

As time goes by, older laws and regulations don't always fit for today's needs. What is needed is an evolving constitution for each country that could be modified every.... oh.... I don't know..... 50 years or so...... and with the above government, it would be easier to make sure everything is agreed apon by the general population that it directly affects.

[Autolykos]

Did you read the link (yet)?

Basically I was responding to your stated goal of abolishing currency. However, a clarification is in order. Currency is not money -- it is merely the standardization of money. In any case, I can tell that you are really talking about the abolition of money itself, which is a far more serious matter.

I posted the link because it reveals an important truth about money. To put it briefly, money exists because of opportunity cost.

- Rob

[Praxius]

I abhor the concept of direct democracy, as it always results in abysmal failure.

Direct democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^ Seems like it succeeded a few times near the bottom:

Direct democracy was experimented in the ancient Athenian democracy of ancient Greece (beginning circa 508 BC (Finley, 1973)), which was governed for two centuries by a general assembly of all male citizens, by randomly selected officials, and ten annually elected representatives charged to command the army of the city (strategos). The restrictive conditions for citizenship such as slaves and women did not have any rights in the Athenian democracy and the small size (population about 300,000) of the Athenian city-state minimized the logistical difficulties inherent to this form of government. Also relevant is the history of Roman democracy beginning circa 449 BC (Cary, 1967). The ancient Roman Republic's "citizen lawmaking"—citizen formulation and passage of law, as well as citizen veto of legislature-made law—began about 449 BC and lasted the approximately four hundred years to the death of Julius Caesar in 44 BC. Many historians mark the end of the Republic on the passage of a law named the Lex Titia, 27 November 43 BC (Cary, 1967). The presence of citizen lawmaking in Rome's governance was a contributing factor in the rise of Rome, and its Greco-Roman civilization. (Cary, 1967). Polybius (c.200-120) immortalized the Roman Republic's constitutional "citizen lawmaking" in Book VI of his The Histories. Since Athenian democracy, however, this form of government has rarely been used (some governments have implemented it in part but few as fully as in ancient Athens). Modern mass-suffrage democracies generally rely on representatives elected by citizens (that is, representative democracy). Modern-era citizen lawmaking began in the towns of Switzerland in the 13th century. In 1847, the Swiss added the "statute referendum" to their national constitution. They soon discovered that merely having the power to veto Parliament's laws was not enough. In 1891, they added the "constitutional amendment initiative". The Swiss political battles since 1891 have given the world a valuable experience base with the national-level constitutional amendment initiative (Kobach, 1993). Many political movements seek to restore some measure of direct democracy or a more deliberative democracy (based on consensus decision-making rather than simple majority rule). Such movements advocate more frequent public votes and referenda on issues, and less of the so-called "rule by politician".

Also scroll down to "Direct democracy in Switzerland" "United States" and "Direct democracy in Canada" ~ You'll notice that it's not as doomed to failure as you claim.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Autolykos Did you read the link (yet)? Basically I was responding to your stated goal of abolishing currency. However, a clarification is in order. Currency is not money -- it is merely the standardization of money. In any case, I can tell that you are really talking about the abolition of money itself, which is a far more serious matter. I posted the link because it reveals an important truth about money. To put it briefly, money exists because of opportunity cost. - Rob

Ah... well it is true, if you look into the system I have listed, it could still be considered "currency" ~ So yes.... abolishing money is what I am gearing towards.... my mistake....

Opportunity Cost can still be managed in a lot less unbalanced manner then it currently is..... as it stands now, the rich get richer, while the poor.... well you know....

I did have a list of procedures in order to transition from having money, to none, and steps on how to start off with a prototype town or city to test for a year or two to make sure things work out.

In theory, this method could not only sustain a country, but the country could still interact effectively with other countries who still use money.

[Osborn F Enready]

Gramps said: Provide examples, please.

Examples of why rights are inherant by nature?

Sure.

Firstly, I control what thoughts of my own I put into action. I own my body, thusly.

Based on that....

I am born with a voice-box, which I control. I have a right to free speech, should I choose to defend it against those who attempt to take it away, man or beast. My speech is a product of my nature, my education, my experience, my thoughts, my perception, regardless of what was input originally. This makes the process, mine, entirely, and its use at my whim, entirely.

I am born with two hands, that have opposeable thumbs. This makes me as a human, unique when coupled with our brains capacity and inclination toward logic, and problem solving via thoughts provoking reason, prompted by me into action, to create tools to make nature more appealing and useful for my needs. This gives me a right to property, since I can not only claim property (myself included), I can defend it using the tools I make to do just that, be it club, spear, pike, bow and arrow, sling, hatchet or gun. I can convert natural substance into a tool, using labor that is mine, thoughts that are mine, and results in something that is not natural, but is man made, by me. Nature is all of ours, and it is only law that keeps men respectful of what others call their own, but nobody can deny that nature is natural, and tools are a product of man, influencing nature, which requires/demands compensation for what was not there before, if it has value to the one seeking it. All living things require property, if not only for the physical space they consume, and the food that keeps them alive. This makes property elemental in the equation of man and nature.

That is the natural equation of property, labor and natures interaction.
Man requires property to live, whether discussing physical entity, needs for nourishment, or ability to function, which is surely natural.

Animals, insects, fish and all other forms of life including plants have "defensive" mechanisms, humans simply are by nature, the top of the natural chain of natural selection, and their brain coupled with their opposable thumbs, gives them the natural ability to create tools, and exploit nature for his own purpose, since man is the master of all things natural except nature itself, by any standard.

I have a right to property(myself and that which I gain natural or legal admission of), a right to defense of that property using force (since as we see in all forms of nature, each life form exhibits a form of defense and creation).

I have a right to labor for myself, since it is only I who can decide to labor, or not. It is only I who decide what gain and loss is acceptable for the value of that labor, and that is exhibited by my choice to labor or not.

I have a right to move, because I am naturall able to move, and can exercise that ability at will, to the extent that I can defend it.

I have a right to eat, as much as my ability will allow by nature, limited by nature and my fellow man only, seeing as how I can attain and consume food natural and alive, from whatever source I find digestable, to the extent that I can defend that right.

I have a right to live as I believe is right for me, since only I know what I value and what I despise. My right to pursue happiness is limited only by the equal rights that I afford my fellow man in protection of my own, in a mutual agreement between men that we are equals.

I have a right to privacy, in so much as I can defend my privacy. As technology increases, this threat is the most insidious since it attempts to de-value that which has the most value, information, gained from labor by those with intrest and the natural ability to pursue it with pleasure.

These are just some of humans natural rights, and a large basis of why they were inlcuded into our bill of rights in the United States. All things have natural rights, that are limited by nature itself. We are the most free from natures grasp, which allows us the most ability to influence and change nature to benefit ourselves, individually or collectively, directly or indirectly.

Rights naturally exist, and they are inherant by nature, but not equal by nature. Man, especially in the American society, have tried to equalize rights for those not blessed by nature with equal rights by birth defect, disease, or other issues that affect a childs natural abilities among men and women.

Gramps said: Provide examples, please.

Of the failures of democracies? Sure.

Firstly, what is a direct democracy?

It is absolute power of one percentage of people (the majority) over a group of another percentage of people (the minority) by vote.

If it is a form of government, as opposed to the schoolyard, there is a level of force that comes attached to that majority rule. The vote is all about power, in the end, and as power is used and abused, retribution enters the mix for every consecutive vote in succession.

Nothing is sacred in democracy, no limitations are imposed upon the ruling body, by the masses, since the masses are DUPED into believing they control the system. Its enemy lies in subjectivity of humans, and ignorance of our common threads, and with each voted encroachment of a large group of values not necessarily shared with the "majority", comes a new generation of people seeking retribution through legal and other means.

The success of democracy rests in the constant consumption of its own, which can only be sustained until no more will fight for the flag that defines it, and instead turn in against themselves with arms instead of votes.

I don't have a problem with democracy that is limited, and not permitted to infringe upon the rights of individuals, but that is not a direct democracy, and direct democracy caters to the collective, whatever shape the majority takes.

The things that seperates man from nature is individualism, and it is quite natural. Direct Democracy attempts to ignore this, and places the collective good above the individual good that make up the collective. Eventually all people are disenfranchised to the point of rebellion, for individual causes, dissolving the collective.

[Osborn F Enready]

Praxius said: Yeah, you are pretty vague on the details.... .... and based on the time is took me to copy paste, edit and post this thread and the time you took to respond would either point to: A. - You're a very good speed reader... or B. - You didn't read it all, if any.

I am a fast reader, but not a speed reader.
I didn't read it entirety, but nearly all before posting.
I have since read it all.

I posted after seeing essential "flaws" or what I would deem flaws that would lead to in my mind, logical failures.

Praxius said: There is nothing there in my list that I can see that clearly or even nearly infringes on any human rights...... if anything, there's more human rights then there are now.... so you got me at a loss.

I think the devil here, is in the details, and I don't consent to the idea of anything that requires labor, being an entitlement.

I disagree on many points, but my post to gramps covered most of them.

[Autolykos]

Quote by: Praxius Ah... well it is true, if you look into the system I have listed, it could still be considered "currency" ~ So yes.... abolishing money is what I am gearing towards.... my mistake.... Opportunity Cost can still be managed in a lot less unbalanced manner then it currently is..... as it stands now, the rich get richer, while the poor.... well you know....

If you had read the article, you should realize that opportunity cost cannot be managed. It is a fact of life.

I did have a list of procedures in order to transition from having money, to none, and steps on how to start off with a prototype town or city to test for a year or two to make sure things work out.

I'd like to see that list, when you have time.

In theory, this method could not only sustain a country, but the country could still interact effectively with other countries who still use money.

I guess that depends on what you mean by "interact".

- Rob

[Praxius]

I think the devil here, is in the details, and I don't consent to the idea of anything that requires labor, being an entitlement.

Oh yeah, that should be re-worded if it seemed to imply that. Nobody has to be forced into labor work. In this form of government what I meant by high school students and/or those who have no carrer goals working the "Crap" jobs.... I meant as jobs that don't require any secondary education.... ie: part time positions in the workforce.

For those who have no clue as to what they want to do, they'll have a list of available positions in all the available work fields they would be qualified for until they had further education. If they didn't want further education, then they could remain in the job they are in and still have an equal lifestyle to those who have secondary education.

If you are talking about having to be forced to work regardless.... that's not exactly the case. So long as you are a productive part of society in any form, that is your job. If you are in college learning, that's your job for the time being.... if you want to be a comedian, that's a job, etc.

To be able to just sit home and do nothing with your life and mooch off society isn't the way things should be..... it's happening now a days with people sucking in unemployment and people hate it.... why would it be permitted in this system?

Your above examples of why you are against my idea don't match to anything I was talking about. You would still have your property and you'd still be able to accumulate your property.... you'd also be fully allowed to defend your property and life for that matter.... none of that is being infringed apon in this method.

Please keep in mind, this is not the original "Direct Democracy" nor is it near the current Democracy we are living in today.... both of these methods are/were flawed, which is why I thought this one up.

Majority rule of 51% isn't fair indeed.... which is why each community would have each of their laws that affected them to be judged by themselves. General Human rights and methods of running the country would be a national issue and if it wasn't a majority vote one way or another, then it would have to be worked on further.

Then again, Anarchy doesn't work either..... it'd be nice, mind you.... but in the big picture, it holds too many problems and loses the essence of what humanity is about..... imo.

I have a right to privacy, in so much as I can defend my privacy. As technology increases, this threat is the most insidious since it attempts to de-value that which has the most value, information, gained from labor by those with intrest and the natural ability to pursue it with pleasure.

True, privacy is a big issue, including myself.... sorta.... my section on "Global Carrier Recording" is exactly that.... it's meant for your professional side of life.... one resume or anything else that yo