Ignorance of those who attack Islam

[saif]

It is quite disturbing the ignorance that flows from peoples minds and toungues reguarding Islam and its Practices. This can be seen from the Senate Intellegence committee (who have no idea the differences of sunni and shi'ite) to the common person who has repeated these assumptions without any type of validation on their part. the majority of the populace here in the US have become parrots repeating their favorite heroes and taking what they say as the absolute truth. Whether they receive their dalal from Pat Robertson, George Bush or the State Department, they have no true inclination as to what Islam is nor the significant history prior to this engagement. But that is what to be expected from people who have no understanding of their own Christian faith, who practice blindly without ever really caring to reveal the Truth.

[Jack]

Then there are those of us who don't buy into theism at all, who consider all believers in a god as trying to defend the indefensible.

[saif]

Well, it must be obvious that you have failed to do your own investigation upon religion. More than likely the reading was too much for you and have decided that it is much easier to discredit the existence of a Higher power. It is unfortunate that for most people the craziness is all they see.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: saif But that is what to be expected from people who have no understanding of their own Christian faith, who practice blindly without ever really caring to reveal the Truth.

Well said! And that, along with many wanting to be politically correct in thought or the appearance of it, is why they do not have a clear understanding of the threat that Islam poses.

How many times have we heard we are in a war against "terrorism." That is just rediculous! Terrorism is not a thing to war against. Terrorism is a tool of the enemy. Did we say in Vietnam we were in a war against "guerilla warfare?" Of course not. We clearly identified our target as North Vietnamese' government and their army or the Viet Cong. That is why we have to get focused and stop saying we are in a war against terrorism and clearly identify the target -- Islamic militants, or any other identifiable group and not their tools of the trade.

Would we say in WW1 we are in a war against "trenches" just because trenches were being widely used in what we came to call as trench warfare? Of course not. Our enemies were clearly defined as Germany and her army and her government -- or the combatants.

[Zhavric]

Not all Muslims are terrorists.

Most terrorists are Muslims.

[StrongHeartsWin]

Quote by: Zhavric Not all Muslims are terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslims.

LOL!

[saif]

Quote by: Zhavric Not all Muslims are terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslims.

Are you kidding me, according to ur math then most US presidents and officials must secretly be Muslim, being that they have cause foar more terror and destruction and mayhem then any Muslim on Earth. How many innocent people have suffered due to the United States meddling?

[Praxius]

Quote by: saif Are you kidding me, according to ur math then most US presidents and officials must secretly be Muslim, being that they have cause foar more terror and destruction and mayhem then any Muslim on Earth. How many innocent people have suffered due to the United States meddling?

First off.... nice avatar, lol.

All I got to say is Generalization of any kind is the downfall of all society.

I never attacked Islam myself, and I really have nothing against anyone in particular based on their ethnic backgrounds.

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Mind you

I do find that Muslims have to lighten the hell up. The amount of anger and protests that were done over a comic..... the amount of anger and protests from a British Minister (Or whoever) stating he felt women should remove their veil when in meetings.... was over the top.

First.... one was a comic.... if they didn't like it, and they were opposed by someone depicting what their God looked like.... then say so and leave it at that.

Secondly, the veil thing was a comment.... a recommendation.... last I heard, it wasn't passed by law in the UK, yet there was a big uproar and stink over it, and more protests.

Now when all this BS about removing X-mas tress from public places, airports, government buildings.... switching "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" and all the other oppression that is occurring to Christianity, you'd think Christians would be causing riots, protests and anger about it.... but they're not.....

^ If Christians had the same mentality of their religion as "Extreme Muslims", then there'd be plenty of shit blown up long ago..... all in the sake of their religion and keeping it strong.... where's the logic?

Added:

And the stink that came about when the Pope quoted another person on Islam and "faith by the sword" etc.... way out of proportion.

[Paleface2500]

Quote by: Zhavric Not all Muslims are terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslims.

Wow! How witty and unoriginal of you. :rolleyes:

[rez]

Quote by: saif It is quite disturbing the ignorance that flows from peoples minds and toungues reguarding Islam and its Practices. This can be seen from the Senate Intellegence committee (who have no idea the differences of sunni and shi'ite) to the common person who has repeated these assumptions without any type of validation on their part. the majority of the populace here in the US have become parrots repeating their favorite heroes and taking what they say as the absolute truth. Whether they receive their dalal from Pat Robertson, George Bush or the State Department, they have no true inclination as to what Islam is nor the significant history prior to this engagement. But that is what to be expected from people who have no understanding of their own Christian faith, who practice blindly without ever really caring to reveal the Truth.

Considering the fact that the NIE was written in two weeks I would agree, however, claiming that an objective truth exists should be considered dishonest.

[GHook93]

Quote by: saif Are you kidding me, according to ur math then most US presidents and officials must secretly be Muslim, being that they have cause foar more terror and destruction and mayhem then any Muslim on Earth. How many innocent people have suffered due to the United States meddling?

LOL, You start the thread by complaining that non-Muslims are ignorant of Islam. And fight back as a Muslim ignorant of US history.

[The_Genius]

Quote by: StrongHeartsWin Well said! And that, along with many wanting to be politically correct in thought or the appearance of it, is why they do not have a clear understanding of the threat that Islam poses. How many times have we heard we are in a war against "terrorism." That is just rediculous! Terrorism is not a thing to war against. Terrorism is a tool of the enemy. Did we say in Vietnam we were in a war against "guerilla warfare?" Of course not. We clearly identified our target as North Vietnamese' government and their army or the Viet Cong. That is why we have to get focused and stop saying we are in a war against terrorism and clearly identify the target -- Islamic militants, or any other identifiable group and not their tools of the trade. Would we say in WW1 we are in a war against "trenches" just because trenches were being widely used in what we came to call as trench warfare? Of course not. Our enemies were clearly defined as Germany and her army and her government -- or the combatants.

What is so similar about the following statements?


1. Pigs can fly.
2. Illuminati is watching everyone of us with hidden cameras.
3. Aliens want to take over planet earth.
4. Muslims are terrorists


They are mere lies or conspiracy theories...

[Captain Chaos]

So, Saif...

Why should I believe that Mohammed was a prophet of God, rather than just a very charismatic nutjob?

[saif]

Quote by: Praxius First off.... nice avatar, lol..

Well I have been a member longer...

Quote by: Praxius I do find that Muslims have to lighten the hell up. The amount of anger and protests that were done over a comic.......

You have to actually undertsand that even for Jews and Christians the making of any image is a grave and seirous SIn. It is quite unfortunate that Christians and Jews do not feel the same way when Jesus and Moses (May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon them Both) are degraded and mocked everyday by even their own adherents. ..[/quote]

Quote by: Praxius First.... one was a comic.... if they didn't like it, and they were opposed by someone depicting what their God looked like.... then say so and leave it at that...

When God man man in His Image, that doesnt necessarily mean two arms, two legs, a head, ears, eyes, nose etc.. just as a painter imagines what his canvas will look like even before he picks up a brush, God has no image and no form. He is the Infinite Who encompasses the whole universe. He has neither a body, nor is He material, nor do the visions comprehend Him. To think that God has a form of a man is insanely degrading.

Quote by: Praxius Now when all this BS about removing X-mas tress from public places, airports, government buildings.... switching "Merry Christmas" to "Happy Holidays" and all the other oppression that is occurring to Christianity, you'd think Christians would be causing riots, protests and anger about it.... but they're not........

AGain quite unfortunate that they do not take a stronger stance in their beliefs, much of the problem though rests on the fact that many of the holidays that they celebrate really have no christian origin and those that had any revelance have become completely commercial and based upon innovation.

[Chaossaber314]

You have to actually undertsand that even for Jews and Christians the making of any image is a grave and seirous SIn. It is quite unfortunate that Christians and Jews do not feel the same way when Jesus and Moses (May the Peace and Blessings of God be upon them Both) are degraded and mocked everyday by even their own adherent

They do. They just typically don't resort to violence in this day and age.

I remember when Dogma came out (a movie I did enjoy personally) a relatively large number of local catholics protested some of the more popular theaters. I don't think anything was firebombed... Granted the group we're referring to is still a minority but I think when discussing the extremes of two different sides (who are not all that different in the end) you have to compare the size and/or frequency of these same minorities.

In the world today when Jesus is depicted negatively the extreme minority might hold a reserved non-violent protest. When Mohamed is depicted negatively (or at all) places get firebombed and we see depictions worthy of the term "riot".

[RickSp]

Quote by: Zhavric Not all Muslims are terrorists. Most terrorists are Muslims.

Who is the greater terrorist - a madman who hijacks planes and flys them into buildings killing thousands, or the president who starts a war with a country that never attacked us and whose air force kills many many thousands more in the first days of the war? Can you say "shock and awe"? Both men claim to be guided by the hand of god. Who has created the greater terror?

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: saif When God man man in His Image, that doesnt necessarily mean two arms, two legs, a head, ears, eyes, nose etc.. just as a painter imagines what his canvas will look like even before he picks up a brush, God has no image and no form. He is the Infinite Who encompasses the whole universe. He has neither a body, nor is He material, nor do the visions comprehend Him. To think that God has a form of a man is insanely degrading.

Well, it seems then that ONE of the following points is incorrect.
God made Man in his image. If we don't look like him then this statement is false.
God has no image or form. Since Man has form then the statement is false.

Which is it?

[saif]

Quote by: Scribbler1 Well, it seems then that ONE of the following points is incorrect. God made Man in his image. If we don't look like him then this statement is false. God has no image or form. Since Man has form then the statement is false. Which is it?

You ever painted or drew a picture from a blank page or canvas? not one of those lame paint by bumbers or inside the lines do it yourself's, but from the depths of your imagination? You have an idea a brainstorm of what it shall look like what the image is even before you have brushed a single stroke. Thats the image that I am hoping that ypu undertsand that the image came from the painter and its not a self portate

[Jack]

nor is He material

I've been saying for years that the notion of any religion's gods is immaterial.

To think that God has a form of a man is insanely degrading

To man, that is.

He is the Infinite Who encompasses the whole universe.

So if your god is everything, then he's (oh, sorry, it's) also all of us, ergo, all of us are god.

[Right of Center]

Quote by: Isherwood All of us are god.

Liberals and atheists need to believe that statement, because if they are wrong they will burn and be in pain for eternity.