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View Poll Results: Is "Barack Hussein Obama" a problem?
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 11:53 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Barack Obama's Name

Some people, i.e. some Republicans, have criticized Senator Obama for his name: Barack Hussein Obama. Here's a blog post that addresses it. There's a poll there too.

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Anyway, I read an article about the U.S. Senator Barack Hussein Obama. Apparently, many Republicans are criticizing his name. Barack sounds foreign to them. Hussein, of course, seems to correspond to the names of their national enemies, e.g. Saddam Hussein, who was recently killed. And Obama sounds like Osama bin Laden.
I really don't think it's much of a problem. But if he runs with Hillary Clinton, will voters note his name as a significant factor, particularly when he is under more Republican opposition than before? (Are people that stupid?)


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 12:22 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Concern over his name.. you're joking? They're not concerned he's black? Now I have heard everything, except the fear he's a cylon!! How did Spiro Agnew get elected?


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 12:25 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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"Spiro Who?"

Anyway, it might be the same case with Obama. I think he's a better politician than many of the other available ones; he's better than Hillary Clinton in my opinion. Many Americans (i.e. many Republicans), however, are antagonistic towards Muslims or anything that even relates to Muslims, such as his name.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 12:37 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Sounds like a great PR weapon. "See, we have a women sending a black muslim on diplomatic missions all across the middle east". What's up with yo bitches Sunni? Sounds to me like grasping at desperate straws because they've got nothing concrete.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 12:42 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Sounds like a great PR weapon. "See, we have a women sending a black muslim on diplomatic missions all across the middle east". What's up with yo bitches Sunni? Sounds to me they've got nothing concrete, so it comes down to his given name.
Lol, that seems like the strategy.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 02:52 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Many Americans (i.e. many Republicans), however, are antagonistic towards Muslims or anything that even relates to Muslims, such as his name.
Republicans see an easy victory if they equate Obama to a Muslim. It's simple idea really. Muslims have caused terrorist attacks on the US throughout the world for the last 20 years culminating on 9/11. While it is guaranteed that many Muslims are for peace, it is also guaranteed that many are very violent towards the US. Added to this is the fact that many, many Americans are closed minded and believe that if he is a Muslim, or even sounds like a Muslim, he must be bad. Republicans can capitalize on this. However I wouldn't vote for him just because of what he stands for and believes what is right for America. I could care less if he was black or Muslim, both or neither. That isn't an issue for me. I just don't agree with what he believes America should do economically and martially.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 03:36 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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There is a huge problem with Obama.....

He is a part of the bi-partisan corruption that has swallowed Washington, our liberty, and our economy.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:34 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Had to happen sooner or later.



CNN apologizes to Barack Obama


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 06:30 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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Too bad his middle name wasn't Waldo.


Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots.
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 02:52 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Some people, i.e. some Republicans, have criticized Senator Obama for his name: Barack Hussein Obama. Here's a blog post that addresses it. There's a poll there too.



I really don't think it's much of a problem. But if he runs with Hillary Clinton, will voters note his name as a significant factor, particularly when he is under more Republican opposition than before? (Are people that stupid?)
He is a mixed race half black/white Christian raised by a white women (his father left when he was 2 yrs old. Havard Law student top of his class (something Bush can't say). He was elected the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, obtaining his Juris Doctor degree magna cum laude in 1991.

The guy is a breath of fresh air. He openly admitted to experimenting with pot and cocaine. He wasn't an addict, but he tried them. He admitted before he was every asked. Not the "I never inhaled" BS Clinton pulled.

He has my vote, and not because I am biased as an IL voter.
Some of his views.

Education
In April 2005, Obama sponsored his first Senate bill, the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act", S. 697.[39] Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise to help needy students pay their college tuitions, the bill proposed increasing the maximum amount of Pell Grant awards to $5,100.[40] Provision for Pell Grant awards was later incorporated into the "Deficit Reduction Act", S. 1932, signed by President George W. Bush on February 8, 2006.[41]


Immigration
Obama co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", S. 1033, introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) on May 12, 2005.[42] Obama also supported a later revision, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", S. 2611, passed by the Senate on May 25, 2006.[43] He offered three amendments that were included in the bill passed by the Senate: (1) to protect American workers against unfair job competition from guest workers; (2) require employer verification of their employees' legal immigration status through improved verification systems; and (3) fund improvements in FBI background checks of immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship.[44] Obama also voted for a related bill, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorizes construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[45] President Bush signed the bill into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform."[46]


Nonproliferation
In November 2005, Obama and Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) introduced the "Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act" to expand the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[47][48] Provisions of the bill, also known as "Lugar-Obama", were included in H.R. 6060 and passed by Congress in December 2006.[49] The legislation requires signature by President Bush to become law.[50]


Transparency
Obama joined with Senators Coburn (R-OK), Carper (D-DE), and McCain (R-AZ) in sponsoring the "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act", S. 2590, to provide citizens with a website, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[51] President Bush signed the bill, also referred to as the "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act", into law in September 2006.[52]

Iraq War
Obama was an early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq. In the fall of 2002, Obama stated: "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars...You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings."[77] Speaking before the Chicago Council on Global Affairs in November 2006, he said: "The days of using the war on terror as a political football are over. [...] It is time to give Iraqis their country back, and it is time to refocus America's efforts on the wider struggle yet to be won." He is calling for a phased withdrawal of American troops to begin in 2007.[78]
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Old Jan 4, 2007, 04:13 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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The guy is a breath of fresh air. He openly admitted to experimenting with pot and cocaine. He wasn't an addict, but he tried them. He admitted before he was every asked. Not the "I never inhaled" BS Clinton pulled.
Regardless of his policies, he seems like a decent guy.


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Old Jan 4, 2007, 04:27 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Regardless of his policies, he seems like a decent guy.
He is what the country needs. People will chalk up that he is inexperience. Maybe, but by all account GWB was experienced and he is a giant douche.
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Old Jan 5, 2007, 04:03 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Inexperience would be a bonus, but I think he has too much.


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 08:18 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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The guy is a breath of fresh air.]

Yeah, right.:rolleyes:


Lord knows there are no other socialists, or Democrats, or liberal Black men out there getting any podium time to preach to the masses.


A "breath of fresh" air like just eminated from my arse.


Statists all have the same agenda, nice guy, or not.
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Old Jan 6, 2007, 09:01 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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He is a mixed race half black/white Christian raised by a white women (his father left when he was 2 yrs old. Havard Law student top of his class (something Bush can't say). He was elected the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, obtaining his Juris Doctor degree magna cum laude in 1991.

The guy is a breath of fresh air. He openly admitted to experimenting with pot and cocaine. He wasn't an addict, but he tried them. He admitted before he was every asked. Not the "I never inhaled" BS Clinton pulled.

He has my vote, and not because I am biased as an IL voter.
Some of his views.

Education
In April 2005, Obama sponsored his first Senate bill, the "Higher Education Opportunity through Pell Grant Expansion Act", S. 697.[39] Entered in fulfillment of a campaign promise to help needy students pay their college tuitions, the bill proposed increasing the maximum amount of Pell Grant awards to $5,100.[40] Provision for Pell Grant awards was later incorporated into the "Deficit Reduction Act", S. 1932, signed by President George W. Bush on February 8, 2006.[41]


Immigration
Obama co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act", S. 1033, introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) on May 12, 2005.[42] Obama also supported a later revision, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act", S. 2611, passed by the Senate on May 25, 2006.[43] He offered three amendments that were included in the bill passed by the Senate: (1) to protect American workers against unfair job competition from guest workers; (2) require employer verification of their employees' legal immigration status through improved verification systems; and (3) fund improvements in FBI background checks of immigrants applying for U.S. citizenship.[44] Obama also voted for a related bill, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which authorizes construction of fencing and other security improvements along the United States–Mexico border.[45] President Bush signed the bill into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform."[46]


Nonproliferation
In November 2005, Obama and Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) introduced the "Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act" to expand the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[47][48] Provisions of the bill, also known as "Lugar-Obama", were included in H.R. 6060 and passed by Congress in December 2006.[49] The legislation requires signature by President Bush to become law.[50]


Transparency
Obama joined with Senators Coburn (R-OK), Carper (D-DE), and McCain (R-AZ) in sponsoring the "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act", S. 2590, to provide citizens with a website, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[51] President Bush signed the bill, also referred to as the "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act", into law in September 2006.[52]

Iraq War
Obama was an early opponent of Bush administration policies on Iraq. In the fall of 2002, Obama stated: "I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars...You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings."[77] Speaking before the Chicago Council on Global Affairs in November 2006, he said: "The days of using the war on terror as a political football are over. [...] It is time to give Iraqis their country back, and it is time to refocus America's efforts on the wider struggle yet to be won." He is calling for a phased withdrawal of American troops to begin in 2007.[78]
God &^#$ it, there must be a reason why ghook likes the guy. im going to read more on Obama, and i liked the guy
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I voted yes, not because of the Muslim connection, which I think is retarded, but because "Vice president Obama" sounds wierd.


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I voted yes, not because of the Muslim connection, which I think is retarded, but because "Vice president Obama" sounds wierd.
It'd be cool for parodies though. Now, instead of laughing about how a U.S. vice president shot some guy in the face, we can laugh about a name. Oh, Bam Ah!


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 10:27 am   #18 (permalink) (top)
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Ya, but he won't be as fun to make fun of as Cheney, I don't think he is certifiably evil:)


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Old Jan 6, 2007, 10:36 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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Ya, but he won't be as fun to make fun of as Cheney, I don't think he is certifiably evil:)
Indeed, but once he gets to a high position, he'll be corrupted as well.


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He's too likable to be a leader!


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