Barack Obama's Name

[GHook93]

Quote by: modcon Rudy Giuliani comes to mind. I don't think his socially non-conservative stances will be as big a factor as some people make them out to be. He is still reveared as an American hero for his leadership during the events of 9-11 and still has the reputation of being a crime hawk. To be honest, as long as they do not nominate McCain, Romney, or Brownback, I don't think they will have any problems winning in 2008.

Didn't you see what happened in the House and Senate! The Republicans have a lot to worry about! Giuliani would be their best bet, since then the Rep might actually win NY. He has the name and fan-fair.

Note: McCain escalation of the war stance will bury him.

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: GHook93 The guy isn't Muslim, he is Christian. He was even raised by a white woman. I think this will prove better, than the fact that his name sounds like Osama

I never suggested he was muslim, I was just responding to the thread starter's claim that it might sound muslim to people.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary I never suggested he was muslim, I was just responding to the thread starter's claim that it might sound muslim to people.

True, but I think it will come out that he is Christian during the election. If it gets that far. It didn't seem to stop the voters in IL, granted Ryan had problems, but he still would have won anyways

[Gods_Mercenary]

Which is why I didn't agree with the original poster.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Which is why I didn't agree with the original poster.

Okay, I didn't say it would cause problems. I'm just asking whether it would cause problems, as many Republicans are saying.

[deedee]

I'm no fan of his.

[ThisNameIsTaken]

I like his name, i think it could assist him as it grabs alott of attention. He is a very charismatic man, people just want to like him. His inexperience makes him seem fresh, and not like a hardened politician. I think that his celebrity like status could only help, especially in a society that largely worships celebrities.

I don't honestly follow alott of american politics so i don't really know were he stands compared to others on the issues. I also honestly wouldn't want to guess what issues and what stances would really make the biggest difference in the next presidential race. So i have no idea how far he could go but if him and the public see eye to eye then i think his charisma and popularity could take him far.

[Scribbler1]

Wait for the right wing sites and blogs to have a field day over his MIDDLE name. They can't "swift boat" the guy and he seems to be clean. There ain't much left to attack him with.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Epistemologist Okay, I didn't say it would cause problems. I'm just asking whether it would cause problems, as many Republicans are saying.

If a Republican attacks him on this. He will easily be able to counter with: (1) I was raised by a white women, (2) I am Christian, (3) I am American and (4) a Harvard Law School Alumni.

[xyzer]

I'm amused!
Somehow those who bow in admiration to this Obama(even tho they apparently realize his Islamic sounding name may be a disadvantage), have overlooked the fact that his father and stepfather were Muslims? He, himself, went to an Islamic school when he was a youngster(the Wahaabi Sect...the most virulent of the bunch?) Google hi if you doubt it?

Can we conjecture, as Rick likes to do, that his short association to Islam tainted him forever?( Did some of the hateful passages in the Kuran that he was exposed, to taint him forever?.. Can we assume somewhere in the recesses of his mind the passage about destroying unbelievers still lurks? Rick once alluded to Rumsfelds brief meeting with an Iraqi official some how tainted his outlook? The indirect consequences argument?

Additionally some here gloss over Obamas admitted use of illegal substances? Has intentionally breaking our nations laws become standard for a Presidential candidate? What a joke this country is becoming?

[RickSp]

More nonsensical rambling I see xyzer. Having already gone on the record venting your anti-Islamic biases, this is about all one can expect I suppose.

Odd. I have not significantly participated in this thread yet you use it to distort previous statements of mine on other threads. I never suggested that Rummy was "tainted" by "a brief meeting with an Iraqi official". (The official's name was Saddam Hussein. I'm sure you've heard of him.) I wrote that Rummy was complicit with Saddam for providing him with the military hardware that he used to drop gas bombs.

It is almost funny that you are concerned about breaking of laws regarding substance abuse yet aren't bothered in the least by our felon-in chief who has broken countless statutes regarding wire tapping, as well as supporting torture, not to mention lying us into a disastrous war. Speaking of sick jokes.

[Gods_Mercenary]

He has a wierd smile, seems too plastic, especially when compared to his wife's, whose seems so genuine.

[another day]

Quote by: Scribbler1 I'm talking more about a candidate distancing himelf from the very party he needs to win. It's "vote for me because I'm not like them" and yet they support him. The only conclusion you can really come to is that such a candidate IS like them. Or to put it another way, a political party thrives because they work together as a team. It makes no sense to put someone in the WH who isn't a team player so a safe assumption is any particular "maverick" candidate is really another team player with a more convincing line of crap. But, in Obama's case he doesn't have much besides talk and these sheep want to send him to the White House anyway. He goes from a state senator to US senator and IMMEDIATELY people want him for president. Since they don't really know anything about this guy's track record, because he doesn't HAVE one on the federal level, then his popularity is because of his celebrity and NOT his ability. Ideas alone don't cut it. I want to see how he translates those ideas into action and how successful he is at doing that. And I have a particular dislike for anyone who starts talking president right after a win for House or Senate. If you want to BE a senator, fine. If you want to be a senator ONLY as a springboard to the presidency then don't bother running for senator because we the people don't have time to accommodate your ambitions. Do the job you were elected to FIRST.

like Osborn said, inexperience is good! I want the most inexperienced, non-politician you can find. An experienced politician is nothing more then a seasoned veteran of lies, deceit and corruption. Obama is a person who seems to have good ideals, and thats all that really matters in this day and age. You have to take the lesser of two evils.

[another day]

Quote by: xyzer I'm amused! Somehow those who bow in admiration to this Obama(even tho they apparently realize his Islamic sounding name may be a disadvantage), have overlooked the fact that his father and stepfather were Muslims? He, himself, went to an Islamic school when he was a youngster(the Wahaabi Sect...the most virulent of the bunch?) Google hi if you doubt it? Can we conjecture, as Rick likes to do, that his short association to Islam tainted him forever?( Did some of the hateful passages in the Kuran that he was exposed, to taint him forever?.. Can we assume somewhere in the recesses of his mind the passage about destroying unbelievers still lurks?

Is this serious? Or were you kidding? If its serious, you have just blown my mind. I can't believe someone can think such a silly thing! Ludicrous...

Additionally some here gloss over Obamas admitted use of illegal substances? Has intentionally breaking our nations laws become standard for a Presidential candidate? What a joke this country is becoming?

Apparently it worked fine for the current president, george bush who admitted to using cocaine. I think his disregard for that kind of law is good, and shows that he is prepared to challenge archaic laws in favor of liberty rather then being a sheep who follows single file where he is led.

[Scribbler1]

Quote by: another day like Osborn said, inexperience is good! I want the most inexperienced, non-politician you can find. An experienced politician is nothing more then a seasoned veteran of lies, deceit and corruption. Obama is a person who seems to have good ideals, and thats all that really matters in this day and age. You have to take the lesser of two evils.

I'm not as against him as you might think. But unfortunately, experience is about all we have to go on when considering anyone for the presidency. Ideals can easily be faked, compromised by the issues or sold outright to TPTB and special interests. Bill Clinton used to call himself a "new Democrat", implying the current party was something that he was better than but was supported by all the "old" Democrats.

It's a double edged sword. On the one hand, he's not a part of the Washington "insiders" that run the show. Or at least that's what he appears to be.
On the other hand, we don't know what his record on the issues are, in terms of how he votes for the issues that come before Congress all the time. We don't know how he will deal with the constantly mounting problems facing this country and the world. Remember, a lot of people were taken in by George Bush.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary He has a wierd smile, seems too plastic, especially when compared to his wife's, whose seems so genuine.

If he was fake, he would have been like the rest on jump on the pro-Iraq invasion band-wagon like the rest of the Congressmen and the majority of the country before the war that is. He stuck to his grounds and at the time too the unpopular stance. This is unique.

[GHook93]

Quote by: xyzer I'm amused! Somehow those who bow in admiration to this Obama(even tho they apparently realize his Islamic sounding name may be a disadvantage), have overlooked the fact that his father and stepfather were Muslims? He, himself, went to an Islamic school when he was a youngster(the Wahaabi Sect...the most virulent of the bunch?) Google hi if you doubt it? Can we conjecture, as Rick likes to do, that his short association to Islam tainted him forever?( Did some of the hateful passages in the Kuran that he was exposed, to taint him forever?.. Can we assume somewhere in the recesses of his mind the passage about destroying unbelievers still lurks? Rick once alluded to Rumsfelds brief meeting with an Iraqi official some how tainted his outlook? The indirect consequences argument? Additionally some here gloss over Obamas admitted use of illegal substances? Has intentionally breaking our nations laws become standard for a Presidential candidate? What a joke this country is becoming?

Not quite the story!

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian foreign student, moving to Jakarta with Obama when he was six years old. Four years later, Obama returned to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents.[4] He was enrolled in the fifth grade at Punahou School, a large, private college preparatory school in Honolulu,[5] which he attended through 12th grade, graduating in 1979.[6] In his 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father, Obama describes his experiences growing up in his mother's white American middle class family. His knowledge about his absent black Kenyan father came mainly through family stories and photographs. Of his early childhood, Obama wrote: "That my father looked nothing like the people around me—that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk—barely registered in my mind."[

Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

His father was with him until he was 2 years old. His step-father was in his life from age 6 -10. Then he lived with his white grandparents going to a Christian private school.


Information on Punahou School:

Punahou School, formerly known as Oahu College, is a private, co-educational, non-sectarian college preparatory school located in Honolulu in the U.S. state of Hawaiʻi. Founded in 1841, Punahou School was originally a school for the children of Congregationalist missionaries serving throughout the Pacific region. It was known as Oahu College from 1859 to 1934. The land on which Punahou School sits (colloquially known as Ka Punahou) was given as a gift from Oahu's Governor Boki and his wife, Liliha (as suggested by Queen Kaʻahumanu) to the Rev. Hiram Bingham, the first Christian missionary in Hawaiʻi. The first class was held on July 11, 1842 and consisted of only fifteen students. Punahou has long been considered the school for the most privileged of Hawaii's students, though the offspring of millionaires are mixed with children of middle-class parents; some scholarships have been awarded for financially-disadvantaged youth. Religion of the school: Christian (non-denominational)

This hardly sounds like a school for Muslims!

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: GHook93 If he was fake, he would have been like the rest on jump on the pro-Iraq invasion band-wagon like the rest of the Congressmen and the majority of the country before the war that is. He stuck to his grounds and at the time too the unpopular stance. This is unique.

I never said he was fake, just that his smile creeps me out. Anyway, Perhaps he's just a shrewd politician who new the whole thing would blow up.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary I never said he was fake, just that his smile creeps me out. Anyway, Perhaps he's just a shrewd politician who new the whole thing would blow up.

My bad I thought that was what you were implying. I think this guy is America's savior!

[Osborn F Enready]

Ghook93 said: I think this guy is America's savior!

I think you have him confused with John Browning....
John Browning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

or perhaps Jeff Cooper....
Jeff Cooper

Or perhaps our next best possible President in the running currently, or supposedly in the running at least, Ron Paul.....
Ron Paul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Political affiliations and support Ron Paul joined the Libertarian Party in 1987 as a lifetime member, a status which he appears never to have renounced. Though only elected to Congress as a Republican, Paul remains on good terms with the Libertarian Party and has addressed its national convention as recently as 2004.[citation needed] Libertarian Party spokesman George Getz said that thousands of libertarians across the United States donated money to Ron Paul's campaign funds. Campaign disclosures reveal that 71.4% of contributions to Paul's coffers come from outside his home state of Texas. Unlike many political candidates, Paul receives the overwhelming majority of his campaign contributions (92.5% in 2004 and 96.8% in 2006) from individuals.

Congressman Ron Paul (official site of Ron Paul)