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Old Jan 1, 2007, 07:49 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Killing Sadam on a holy day was immoral!

We all saw the execution of Sadam the former president of Iraq. Sadam was executed on a holy day for Muslims (the Adha Eid). Of course, there are rules that forbid killing on holy days. However, that rule wasn't followed when it came to Sadam. Wasn't it morally wrong to kill Sadam on a holy day???
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Old Jan 1, 2007, 07:51 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Well I guess it was deadly wrong. I mean hello, it is a holy day for gods' sack! The act was really outrages. I mean they were able to wait for years for killing him and now they couldn't wait for 3 days till Eid ends! It is insulting. No words can express how dreadful it is. HOW DARE WE CALL OURSELVES CIVILIZED! The more I meet human beings the more am ashamed to be one
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Old Jan 1, 2007, 09:47 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Its all about the shock and awe. We are a terrorist state.

Junior should see a worse fate than Saddam.

That will be a Holy Day for the world

3/4 of a million civilians dead for a lie.

Saddam was telling the truth...... No WMDs.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:57 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I believe those executioners had to be Zionist and I really do not believe a Muslim would had part take in his execution on a holy day. Its like a Christian executing a Christian President on Sunday or Good Friday. Just giving a good example, I doubt we had a real Christian President since President John F. Kennedy.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 06:01 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I believe those executioners had to be Zionist and I really do not believe a Muslim would had part take in his execution on a holy day.
No, they were Muslim, or at least claimed to be. We can actually call them pseudo-Muslim, because they're the recent examples of how someone can sell out and betray his/her own culture i.e. these people became Westernized and influenced by Americans. This influence outweighed their observance of the holiday Eid. It's sad. :(


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 06:36 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Propaganda.... the Eid was not on saturday, it starts on sunday. That's why they executed him on saturday morning, before the Eid started on sunday. Meaningless of course but don't bring this "Zionist" conspiricy theorist crap into it. Saddam was executed by angry Muslims...do you even know what he did to his people? People were pissed off at him. I don't believe in execution I'm just saying this is how they felt.

I love how you accuse them of being "Westernized"...how so? Only western people hate saddam hussein? Like I said, do you even know what he did to his own people? alot of them have been personally affected by his barbaric acts. Like alot of things in the middle east, it's got nothing to with the West.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 09:25 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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We all saw the execution of Sadam the former president of Iraq. Sadam was executed on a holy day for Muslims (the Adha Eid). Of course, there are rules that forbid killing on holy days. However, that rule wasn't followed when it came to Sadam. Wasn't it morally wrong to kill Sadam on a holy day???

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Well I guess it was deadly wrong. I mean hello, it is a holy day for gods' sack! The act was really outrages. I mean they were able to wait for years for killing him and now they couldn't wait for 3 days till Eid ends! It is insulting. No words can express how dreadful it is. HOW DARE WE CALL OURSELVES CIVILIZED! The more I meet human beings the more am ashamed to be one
when has morality ever mattered in the middle east? nobody seems to care when they're blowing themselves up to kill/murder other people, be it during ramadan or any other "holy" day/period..

civilized is hardly a word i'd use to characterize the middle east. especially if murdering a brutal dictator on some "holy day" results in outrage, while the near-constant acts of violence that occur during days of religious significance are completely ignored.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 10:41 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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....Sadam was executed on a holy day for Muslims (the Adha Eid). Of course, there are rules that forbid killing on holy days. However, that rule wasn't followed when it came to Sadam. Wasn't it morally wrong to kill Sadam on a holy day???
The Iraq Government ran the trial, found him guilty, and they are the one's who executed him..... if you want to argue with someone on their actions, talk to them.

Even if it was on a holy day for Muslims, unless you are Muslim and follow the religion, why should you have a say in what they do and do not do?

Secondly, he was found guilty of genocide, not for having weapons of mass destruction... that wasn't what his trial was about. He was found guilty, he was hanged, it is now done. Too bad other executions of those found guilty are not done as swiftly.

nit picking on the day he was executed, and all of those other details are kinda irrelevant now that he is dead.

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Old Jan 2, 2007, 10:53 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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huh?

the iraqis have been living without saddam for several years now. the only thing that his death can result in at this point is increased sectarian discord. the execution was, in predictable iraqi fashion, carried out in the sloppiest of ways. it was video taped, the savages were chanting al-sadr's name, got into a verbal exchange with saddam, then did some stupid dance after he was killed. are these people on drugs, or are they simply retarded?


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 01:35 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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Saddam was ever transferred from US custody.

His executioners could have been GI staffers from Abu Ghraib or Blackwater mercenaries.


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Propaganda.... the Eid was not on saturday, it starts on sunday.
There are 3 sects in Iraq. One of them does celebrate Eid on Sunday. That does not negate the other sects....which begins Eid on Saturday at dawn.
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The four-day Feast of the Sacrifice began for Iraqi Sunnis on Saturday -- the day Saddam was hanged in Baghdad -- and on Sunday for Shiites.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 01:59 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Just another "great man" executed by his own people. There will be those who find fault with the US for his execution but this is to be expected by those who are familiar with the situation in Iraq. The US couldn't be more wrong in the eyes of the world already with respect to Iraq, so what is the big deal anyway? I would rather have seen him condemned to life in prison but hey, what do I mean to the grand scheme of things? Just another murdering despot has met his end in the way he expected to die. There are many people who were gald to oblige his expectation. I am not surprised by the fate that comes to those who hate.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 02:07 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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No, they were Muslim, or at least claimed to be. We can actually call them pseudo-Muslim, because they're the recent examples of how someone can sell out and betray his/her own culture i.e. these people became Westernized and influenced by Americans. This influence outweighed their observance of the holiday Eid. It's sad. :(

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These stooges are disgraceful. Before I label them as "power-hungry Shia's" I must say, it is time Shia's and Sunnis unite.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 02:09 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 02:18 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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One of the factions follows Saddam, and now that he is dead, the old chapter is ended.... now the new chapter as to what his faction does, is the next chapter.

Will they slowly fade (Doubt it) or will they upgrade their attacks in his name?
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:13 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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Propaganda.... the Eid was not on saturday, it starts on sunday. That's why they executed him on saturday morning, before the Eid started on sunday. Meaningless of course but don't bring this "Zionist" conspiricy theorist crap into it. Saddam was executed by angry Muslims...do you even know what he did to his people? People were pissed off at him. I don't believe in execution I'm just saying this is how they felt.

Well the Eid was really on Saturday. And to prove that: all Muslim countries declared that the Eid is on Saturday. However, the Iraqis were the only Muslims who said that Eid was on Sunday. Why did they do that? Well take a wild guess! Of course I wasn't surprised by that disgusting action.

Ps: some Islamic Eids are not all celebrated on the same day in all Muslim countries. However, the Adha Eid must be celebrated by all Muslims on the same day.


I love how you accuse them of being "Westernized"...how so? Only western people hate saddam hussein? Like I said, do you even know what he did to his own people? alot of them have been personally affected by his barbaric acts. Like alot of things in the middle east, it's got nothing to with the West.
He really did make his people suffer. No one can deny that. But let's look at Iraq today under the control of the CIVILIZED USA.
Saddam was killing his people. USA is killing Iraqis. I don't mean that they killed them in war circumstances. The Us army is killing Iraqis even after they caught Saddam and colonized in the country. So let's put them on trial.
And since we people are so concerned now a days. Let's put Israel on trial for all the massive killing they did.
Ps: I am not defending Saddam for he wasn't that good. However, there are even leaders worse tan Saddam that we just ignore.
And trust me eastern are not ruling themselves west are ( directly or indirectly)
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:16 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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There is a show about Saddam tonight on the History Channel if anyone is interested.


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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:17 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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when has morality ever mattered in the middle east? nobody seems to care when they're blowing themselves up to kill/murder other people, be it during ramadan or any other "holy" day/period..

Trust me morality matter in the Middle East, I lived there I know. Who said they don't care when terrorist blow up innocent people. Didn't you see allthe objections that took place?

civilized is hardly a word i'd use to characterize the middle east. especially if murdering a brutal dictator on some "holy day" results in outrage, while the near-constant acts of violence that occur during days of religious significance are completely ignored.
Civilized is hardly a word i'd use to characterize any country whole glob! I mean even great countries aren't civilized. I feel terribly sorry to be living in 2007 and yet I never witnessed a civilized country.
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:27 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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huh?

the iraqis have been living without saddam for several years now. the only thing that his death can result in at this point is increased sectarian discord. the execution was, in predictable iraqi fashion, carried out in the sloppiest of ways. it was video taped, the savages were chanting al-sadr's name, got into a verbal exchange with saddam, then did some stupid dance after he was killed. are these people on drugs, or are they simply retarded?
i just can't agree more. god bless!!!!
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:31 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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[quote=Praxius;322073]The Iraq Government ran the trial, found him guilty, and they are the one's who executed him..... if you want to argue with someone on their actions, talk to them.I never said he wasn't guilty or was. I just said it ios immoral to hang him on a holy day!

Even if it was on a holy day for Muslims, unless you are Muslim and follow the religion, why should you have a say in what they do and do not do?It's not a matter of whether I follow this religion or not. The idea of killing someone on a holy day is deadly wrong! Whether killing a Christian, Muslim or a Jewish on a holy day, al are wrong.

Secondly, he was found guilty of genocide, not for having weapons of mass destruction... that wasn't what his trial was about. He was found guilty, he was hanged, it is now done. Too bad other executions of those found guilty are not done as swiftly.
Well this has nothing to do with it. No one asked about why he was found guilty. The issue is about killing him on a holy day.Please name a leader who's hands are free from blood. Well no one. Let's say that people now woke up and want to make for past mistakes. Let's put Sharon on trial for all the genocids he made!

nit picking on the day he was executed, and all of those other details are kinda irrelevant now that he is dead.

Well if you think that killing on holy days is insignificant then, with all my respect, you don't know what holy days are
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Old Jan 2, 2007, 05:39 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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We all saw the execution of Sadam the former president of Iraq. Sadam was executed on a holy day for Muslims (the Adha Eid). Of course, there are rules that forbid killing on holy days. However, that rule wasn't followed when it came to Sadam. Wasn't it morally wrong to kill Sadam on a holy day???
Hmmm. Im getting rather fed up with this "you can't kill on a holy day" nonsense. We had the same nonsense before the invasion of Iraq with "you cant start fighting during Ramadan" etc etc.Firstly it is a fact that throughout history muslims have fought during holy days/weeks such as Ramadan and furthermore have paid absolutely no heed whatsoever to the religious observances of other creeds - Yom Kippur springs readily to mind so lets not have any sanctimonious lectures please.
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