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gr8fuldaniel · Dec 26, 2006, 05:30 pm

Flashback to April 1 2003:
The Great Tribulation Postponed

Quote:

source

Bush banned from birthplace of Jesus Christ

"Their entry into the church will tarnish it as [Bush's] hands are covered in the blood of the innocent..."

Quote:

The Great Tribulation

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[d] spoken of by Daniel the prophet,[e] standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. 16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.

pahl · Dec 27, 2006, 11:18 am

Wow, thats harsh.

Kind of suprised that no newspapers reported on it though. Would make one hell of a story.

Gods_Mercenary · Dec 27, 2006, 11:31 am

See, the Catholic churches can be just as liberal as anyone else.

Praxius · Dec 27, 2006, 01:11 pm

It wouldn't suprise me, but once again, this site and it's references don't really seem solid to me.... and more so gossip of things they'd like to see true.

They do not state and sources of their information, except their own site.... so that sounds pretty fishy to me.

And being almost 4 years ago, you'd think this would have been more well known by now.

Not only that, but Bush hasn't been tried, nor found guilty of war crimes. Granted... I know he should be and he's a royal dick in the head, but he is not officially guilty of War Crimes.

And even if the US news didn't cover it, we surly would have heard about it here in Canada, since most of our citizens like to hear about the bad things that happen to bush.

Zeebadee · Dec 27, 2006, 06:29 pm

I could find only two other references to this claim, one from Pravda and one form Qatar. All three seem to quote each other as a source, so I think this is probably bogus "news". I'm sure snopes will have it listed soon.

bishop · Dec 28, 2006, 09:17 am

agreed... the google news search didn't come up with anything that seemed remotely credible. another national enquirer story here..

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 28, 2006, 11:32 am

I remember hearing about it when it happened.

It could have gone down the memory hole. Scrubbed.

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 28, 2006, 01:21 pm

This is the kind of thing the neo-con, defense departmentalized propagandist media will not report. It would incite a revolution amongst the christo-fascist zombie brigade. They would usurp king georgie if they ever woke up to the fact that he was banned from the Holy grotto.

Here are 3 mainstream (Non-USA) reports on the story:

Palestine Chronicle

Islam Online- News Section

Also Pakistan Tribune ran this (but the link only goes to the home page)

Quote:

Pakistan News PakTribune.Com
Bush, Rumsfeld, Blair, Straw entry banned to Church of Nativity[/url]
Tuesday April 01, 2003 (0243 PST)

BETHLEHEM, April 01 (Online): The Church of Nativity, widely believed to be the birth-place of Jesus Christ, decided to ban entry each of the US President George Bush, his Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his Foreign Secretary Jack Straw the privilege of visiting this sacred place, which is one of the holiest Christian shrines.

The move came in protest of "the aggressive war these leaders have waged against Iraq," top Clergy of the church said.

The Church Parishioner Father Panaritius made the decision public at a massive protest demonstration organized by Orthodox institutions in front of the Church of Nativity.

"They are war criminals and murderers of children. Therefore the Church of Nativity decided to ban them access into the holy shrine for ever," the parishioner said.

Chaossaber314 · Dec 28, 2006, 01:26 pm

Seems we differ in the definition of mainstream.

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 28, 2006, 02:04 pm

Mainstream means they have a large audience.

Just because they dont paint the pretty picture you are used to seeing....

It used to be the press would keep politicians honest. Now, they decide elections, hide the brutality of war, do not photograph coffins and fail to publish damning stories of the daily abuses of power.

I think it was Ben Franklin who said "I would rather have a free press and no government thabn a government with no free press"....I concur.

This is just one more under-reported story.

Imagine the approval ratings if this were published by our slanted media.

There is a collusion in the media. They all get the talking points and reporters who tell the unauthorized version of the truth..... lose their seat at the press gaggle. Of course it doesnt ever hit the press. Some things are just too damning. Remember the climate in April 2003? Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) was less than 2 weeks old. It was an unprovoked attack on an unarmed nation. It was an attack on civilians, there was no military opposition. We have murdered in cold blood, over 3/4 Million civilians since. It is a slaughter. A genocide. Bush will burn in hell, he is not a Christian.

Gods_Mercenary · Dec 28, 2006, 02:05 pm

You don't think the Pakistani newspaper is slanted toward Pakistani views?

bishop · Dec 28, 2006, 02:19 pm

interesting, though, that ONLY muslim media outlets are parroting this story.. i don't see anything from any other western country, including australia..

the quality of the sources presented here are on par with worldnetdaily and newsmax as far as i'm concerned. islamic media outlets have yet to prove that they are, in fact, credible sources. and all those extra "sources" are doing is merely repeating the original article, rather than actually laying an independent set of eyes on it.

thus far, this story looks and smells like a pile of trash.

Chaossaber314 · Dec 28, 2006, 03:05 pm

Anyone else taking note of the date? April 1st.

bishop · Dec 28, 2006, 03:24 pm

heh.. i'm always overlooking the obvious.

good find chaos..

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 28, 2006, 04:41 pm

Oh brother. So nothing that happens on April 1st is real now?

I sent an email to the Greek Orthodox Church. I will let you know when they inform me.

bishop · Dec 28, 2006, 05:14 pm

the april 1st thing just seemed to mesh well with the questionable sources parroting the same rumor.

hopefully the church will respond to you though. i'm interested in seeing what they say.

Chaossaber314 · Dec 28, 2006, 06:00 pm

Also the invasion "officially" started on March 20th, so they were denied entrance about a week and a half later? Why would Bush or Blair even be attempting to visit Bethlehem on or around the First?

One could suggest it had something to do with Easter though Christian tradition deals with Jerusalem in regards to Easter and Bethlehem in regards to Christmas. Also in 2003 Easter fell on April 20th. So I guess that's ruled out then.

Rainbow · Dec 28, 2006, 09:46 pm

Quote:

BETHLEHEM, April 01, 2003 (Online): The Church of Nativity, widely believed to be the birth-place of Jesus Christ, decided to ban entry each of the US President George Bush, his Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his Foreign Secretary Jack Straw the privilege of visiting this sacred place, which is one of the holiest Christian shrines.

The move came in protest of "the aggressive war these leaders have waged against Iraq," top Clergy of the church said.

The Church Parishioner Father Panaritius made the decision public at a massive protest demonstration organized by Orthodox institutions in front of the Church of Nativity."They are war criminals and murderers of children. Therefore the Church of Nativity decided to ban them access into the holy shrine for ever," the parishioner said.

I always thought that Jesus' idea was to forgive other's sins, regardless of sins they committed.
I was wrong.
It seems that The Church of Nativity is better than Jesus (himself) :-)

Nevertheless, the Faith stays within an individual, and neither body nor its directives can change it, regardless of sources.

Gods_Mercenary · Dec 28, 2006, 10:34 pm

Jesus only forgives if you are sorry for your sins, or at least not actively commiting them. People who belive Jesus will forgive you no matter what should try reading the bible.

gr8fuldaniel · Dec 29, 2006, 02:40 am

I agree Mercenary. God wont forgive anybody who is not done. Junior can murder 3 or 4 billion people en route to amassing all the wealth in the middle east....then just repent and apologize with a contrite heart and be forgiven. He aint there yet.

Dubya is an arrogant murderer. He has never admitted being wrong about anything. He gets caught at shit EVERY damn day. Never a contrite molecule in his being. The exact opposite of what Jesus asks.

BTW, I sent an email to Michel Chossudovsky at Global Research to see if he could verify the story.

Dec 27, 2006, 11:31 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,744	See, the Catholic churches can be just as liberal as anyone else. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Dec 27, 2006, 06:29 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Zeebadee Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,711	I could find only two other references to this claim, one from Pravda and one form Qatar. All three seem to quote each other as a source, so I think this is probably bogus "news". I'm sure snopes will have it listed soon. "Everybody knows that the boat is leaking Everybody knows that the captain lied." - Leonard Cohen

Dec 28, 2006, 09:17 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	agreed... the google news search didn't come up with anything that seemed remotely credible. another national enquirer story here.. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Dec 28, 2006, 11:32 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	I remember hearing about it when it happened. It could have gone down the memory hole. Scrubbed. ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Dec 28, 2006, 01:26 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,276	Seems we differ in the definition of mainstream. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Dec 27, 2006, 11:18 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
pahl Igneous Magma Location: Sweden Posts: 261	Wow, thats harsh. Kind of suprised that no newspapers reported on it though. Would make one hell of a story.

Dec 27, 2006, 01:11 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,723	It wouldn't suprise me, but once again, this site and it's references don't really seem solid to me.... and more so gossip of things they'd like to see true. They do not state and sources of their information, except their own site.... so that sounds pretty fishy to me. And being almost 4 years ago, you'd think this would have been more well known by now. Not only that, but Bush hasn't been tried, nor found guilty of war crimes. Granted... I know he should be and he's a royal dick in the head, but he is not officially guilty of War Crimes. And even if the US news didn't cover it, we surly would have heard about it here in Canada, since most of our citizens like to hear about the bad things that happen to bush.

Dec 28, 2006, 02:04 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	Mainstream means they have a large audience. Just because they dont paint the pretty picture you are used to seeing.... It used to be the press would keep politicians honest. Now, they decide elections, hide the brutality of war, do not photograph coffins and fail to publish damning stories of the daily abuses of power. I think it was Ben Franklin who said "I would rather have a free press and no government thabn a government with no free press"....I concur. This is just one more under-reported story. Imagine the approval ratings if this were published by our slanted media. There is a collusion in the media. They all get the talking points and reporters who tell the unauthorized version of the truth..... lose their seat at the press gaggle. Of course it doesnt ever hit the press. Some things are just too damning. Remember the climate in April 2003? Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) was less than 2 weeks old. It was an unprovoked attack on an unarmed nation. It was an attack on civilians, there was no military opposition. We have murdered in cold blood, over 3/4 Million civilians since. It is a slaughter. A genocide. Bush will burn in hell, he is not a Christian. ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Dec 28, 2006, 02:05 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,744	You don't think the Pakistani newspaper is slanted toward Pakistani views? “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Dec 28, 2006, 02:19 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	interesting, though, that ONLY muslim media outlets are parroting this story.. i don't see anything from any other western country, including australia.. the quality of the sources presented here are on par with worldnetdaily and newsmax as far as i'm concerned. islamic media outlets have yet to prove that they are, in fact, credible sources. and all those extra "sources" are doing is merely repeating the original article, rather than actually laying an independent set of eyes on it. thus far, this story looks and smells like a pile of trash. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Dec 28, 2006, 03:05 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,276	Anyone else taking note of the date? April 1st. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Dec 28, 2006, 03:24 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	heh.. i'm always overlooking the obvious. good find chaos.. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Dec 28, 2006, 04:41 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	Oh brother. So nothing that happens on April 1st is real now? I sent an email to the Greek Orthodox Church. I will let you know when they inform me. ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~

Dec 28, 2006, 05:14 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	the april 1st thing just seemed to mesh well with the questionable sources parroting the same rumor. hopefully the church will respond to you though. i'm interested in seeing what they say. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Dec 28, 2006, 06:00 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,276	Also the invasion "officially" started on March 20th, so they were denied entrance about a week and a half later? Why would Bush or Blair even be attempting to visit Bethlehem on or around the First? One could suggest it had something to do with Easter though Christian tradition deals with Jerusalem in regards to Easter and Bethlehem in regards to Christmas. Also in 2003 Easter fell on April 20th. So I guess that's ruled out then. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Dec 28, 2006, 10:34 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Gods_Mercenary Altruism Assassin Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,744	Jesus only forgives if you are sorry for your sins, or at least not actively commiting them. People who belive Jesus will forgive you no matter what should try reading the bible. “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.” -Albert Einstein

Dec 29, 2006, 02:40 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel Fire the Liars Location: California Posts: 7,090	I agree Mercenary. God wont forgive anybody who is not done. Junior can murder 3 or 4 billion people en route to amassing all the wealth in the middle east....then just repent and apologize with a contrite heart and be forgiven. He aint there yet. Dubya is an arrogant murderer. He has never admitted being wrong about anything. He gets caught at shit EVERY damn day. Never a contrite molecule in his being. The exact opposite of what Jesus asks. BTW, I sent an email to Michel Chossudovsky at Global Research to see if he could verify the story. ~~ Helpful Linx * Huff Post * WRH * RAW STORY ~~