President

[namguy69]

All I see on the subject of politics is our outstanding, fearless leader Bush. I see people complaining about him and rightfully so...he's a jerk at best. But the lasting question remains is why did the voting people put him in office again, twice Bush made president!!! I give up on societies logic.

[Nono]

Old saying: "The masses are asses."

[Milton Bradley]

Being as our choices were limited to Republicans, and Democrats, what exactly is it that you were expecting, a logical answer?


The truth is, both Republicans, and Democrats are hand picked by the Establishment, so significant change can not happen until these two choices are expanded to fit the diverse opinions of the American constituency.


38 flavors of ice cream, but only two flavors for politics? What the Hell are people thinking?

[Nono]

Napoleon on England: "A hundred religions but only one sauce."

[PatrickHenry]

Bush lost 2000 but 5-4 USSC put him in office.

Bush lost 2004, but vote fraud in Ohio put him in office.

It's the same logic as rape...

[The Architect]

why did the voting people put him in office again, twice Bush made president!!! I give up on societies logic.

He won fair and square in the first election, he was liked. In the second election it was either him or John Kerry and Kerry would have been even worse, one minute he supports something and then the next he is against it. Did you hear the speech he gave to day about education and that if you dont do good in school you end up in Iraq, bad move Mr. Kerry, bad move.

[shield772]

Because a majority of Americans liked him/agreed with him to keep him in office, and since John Kerry was the only other option, well what can I say.

[grandpa]

Quote by: shield772 Because a majority of Americans liked him/agreed with him to keep him in office, and since John Kerry was the only other option, well what can I say.

Our government is sufficient to produce a land of sheep, obviously.

Grandpa h.

[shield772]

So because others have as much belief in their positions as you do we are sheep? That is the thing I hate most about liberals, "if you don't agree with us your stupid or sheep" I respect anyone who takes a stand for their convictions just as I take a stand for mine, but to insult me because my convictions conflict with yours is childish.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: shield but to insult me because my convictions conflict with yours is childish.

Agreed. Liberal about everything but disagreement.

Bush didn't win the election... Kerry lost.

Based on how they conducted their campaigns, Bush appeared to be the lesser of two evils.

Kerry voiced his personal opinion one second, then turned around and changed it so that his opinion matched his party's opinion. In the game of elections, he goofed up so badly so early that he couldn't recover.

Shit... to beat a goober like Bush all you really have to do is just speak clearly, not grin like a kid that just pissed his pants, and make sure you conduct an honest campaign.

[grandpa]

Quote by: shield772 So because others have as much belief in their positions as you do we are sheep? That is the thing I hate most about liberals, "if you don't agree with us your stupid or sheep" I respect anyone who takes a stand for their convictions just as I take a stand for mine, but to insult me because my convictions conflict with yours is childish.

I insult you because you've vocally supported a system that forfeited its right to exist long ago.

As I've said, the government has produced sheep. The sheep divide themselves into two parties, but they are still go out of their way to obey a system of mass deceit and destruction. That is what makes them sheep, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them that.

I despise the status quo, so that almost immediately qualifies me as being less sheepish.
I think anyone who stands by the government and vocally defends it lacks critical thinking skills.


Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Fonceai Agreed. Liberal about everything but disagreement.

When it comes to debating people who favor a system contradictory to elementary humanity, I tend to adopt a strong position. Sorry.

Grandpa h.

[Nono]

Quote by: Fonceai Shit... to beat a goober like Bush all you really have to do is just speak clearly, not grin like a kid that just pissed his pants, and make sure you conduct an honest campaign.

And -- most important of all -- outdo the Republicans in rigging the swing-states.

I'm not saying Kerry wasn't a piss-poor candidate, but the reason George "Sssshh! Ah'm tryin to listen to that square thang on ma back" Bush QUOTEwonUNQOTE the election is that it was stolen for him.

The quality of the candidates didn't enter into it.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: grandpa When it comes to debating people who favor a system contradictory to elementary humanity, I tend to adopt a strong position. Sorry.

Don't say, "Sorry." Just don't sink to the level of insults.

Besides, a statement like "elementary humanity" is terribly subjective. That might be where you're running into your first snag. Something you think is elementary might not be for someone else, regardless of that person's intelligence.

Quote by: Nono And -- most important of all -- outdo the Republicans in rigging the swing-states.

Something to consider. It's a tactic you see in shows like "Survivor" and "The Weakest Link" all the time, yet people don't make the intellectual leap to how amazingly effective a strategy it is:

Rig the contest by making sure your opponent is the weakest one possible.

In those shows, notice how they get rid of the smarter or more capable person first because in the end, it's another smart person and an idiot.

What if... and this is how I would "rig" an election... the Republican party simply made the right moves to make sure the person running against Bush wasn't the best Democrat for the job?

[Nono]

Sounds mighty complicated. To me it seems quite simply easier and safer to rig the balloting itself while making sure that undesirables (y'know, blacks for instance) find it impossible or at least difficult to cast their ballots.

And if things get tight, wheel out your dad's supreme court to appoint you.

It's worked twice in a row. Why fiddle with success?

[grandpa]

Quote by: Fonceai Don't say, "Sorry." Just don't sink to the level of insults.

But my insults don't necessarily assist in slaughtering thousands of people, which I can't quite say about vocal support for this President.

Quote by: Fonceai Besides, a statement like "elementary humanity" is terribly subjective. That might be where you're running into your first snag. Something you think is elementary might not be for someone else, regardless of that person's intelligence.

How can abstract entities collectively represent human beings at all, even if they have human representatives such as President Bush? I don't think they can, which is why I say they violate elementary humanity. Humanity, at its roots, entails diversity, constant change and creative attainment. Coercive bureaucracies get in the way of human life by their very nature, preventing organic change and creating conflicts where otherwise they might not exist. I don't see how stating such obvious facts is "subjective." If you want, you can call anything "subjective" and end the discussion, though.

Grandpa h.

[Fonceai]

It was successful due to dumb luck.

Besides, how much manipulating is required to make millions of votes appear different.

Versus how much covert manipulating is required to get one candidate preferred.

In the first, you have to deal with a multitude of issues.

In the second, you only have to write checks from dummy organizations and lie a little bit.

That's just how I see it... I make sure that if I want to be in a conflict, the person I'm conflicting with is

Quite honestly, that's what I think the Republicans did in the last election.

[Nono]

Quote by: Fonceai That's what I think the Republicans did in the last election.

This is what they did (see my link in post 66): Vote Poll

[belverron]

Quote by: shield772 So because others have as much belief in their positions as you do we are sheep? That is the thing I hate most about liberals, "if you don't agree with us your stupid or sheep" I respect anyone who takes a stand for their convictions just as I take a stand for mine, but to insult me because my convictions conflict with yours is childish.

Hold it. It's not a criticism of conservatives. It's a criticism of Bush supporters. There's a huge difference. I think the minimal-government conservative is a vital part of our political spectrum. It's the large-government, less-taxation, Where-the-Hell-is-the-logic-in-what-I'm-doing? neoconservatives that I could do without.

With Bush's approval ratings hitting rock bottom and starting to dig, I don't think I stand alone here.

[bob60292]

Quote by: namguy69 All I see on the subject of politics is our outstanding, fearless leader Bush. I see people complaining about him and rightfully so...he's a jerk at best. But the lasting question remains is why did the voting people put him in office again, twice Bush made president!!! I give up on societies logic.

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Man This makes me feel so patriotic. Only in America can a moron become president. It's like a wonderful affirmative action plan for morons. I just love knowing that we are all in the kind and compassionate "conservative" hands of a recovering alcoholic with ADHD, a language deficit, and a real love of hunting. (humans)
Maybe when he gets his finger on the bomb button I can be the first person to be the last person on my block. If all the others commit harykari behind my back we can elect a new moron. Either way I win.