Question for American White Voters?

[bishop]

Quote by: ghook Please do not compare Obama to Bush

you made the statement that obama was highly qualified, yet he's as junior as they come.. bush, on the other hand, ran a state for two full terms. i'm not comparing obama to bush per se - i'm challenging your assertion that obama's "highly qualified".

Quote by: ghook Spending less is easy in theory and nobody knows what to do with Iraq.

the hell it is... maybe because of all the political corruption it's difficult, but that's it. we don't need to toss all this money to foreign countries, we don't need all these pork projects, and we don't need to appropriate money if we don't have a plan in place to spend it... that last point means that we don't need to spend all this money - and if we do, we should ensure that it's spend responsibly.

case in point - congress appropriated billions for iraq and new orleans and the money was completely pissed away. in iraq, it paid for sending iraqi laundry to kuwait to be cleaned, $1,000 dinners and fraud.. in new orleans, it paid for a city's worth of trailer homes that have done nothing but collect dust, sitting idle.

i don't believe obama has done anything to improve the spending situation at all. i've yet to find a single spending bill that he opposed.

[brien]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Allan Keyes didn't do so well, but I see him as a principled man, and I would have voted for him.

I may not agree with ALL of Alan Keyes platforms but he is closer to what I think is best embodied in a Candidate rather than Obama, or as Ted Kennedy called him, Osama Bi Laden, Osama Obama, Obama Osama.... Talk about Goerge Bush getting mealy mouthed and tongue tied. LOL.

Alan Keyes: Alan Keyes on the issues

RENEWAMERICA.us - Home - Alan Keyes Archives - Forum - Message Board - Declaration Project -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- About Alan Keyes > Issues Alan Keyes on the issues On his political priorities I aim to strengthen the foundations of political liberty in America. I believe that it remains the destiny of the American people to uphold the right of all humankind to practice responsible self-government. Dedication to this Providential purpose is the heart and soul of what it means to be an American. I will labor to: abolish the income tax; liberate entrepreneurial and charitable initiative; honor marriage and the family; respect the equal dignity of all human beings, born and unborn; reclaim American sovereignty from global bureaucracy; and show, by word and deed, the role of statesmanship in a free republic. On the Declaration of Independence As a free people, our way of life depends upon certain moral ideas. As a matter of personal conscience, I believe that Christianity most perfectly embodies those ideas. But since Americans come from many different religious backgrounds, in dealing with issues of public policy we must derive these ideas from sources that are open to support from all the people. Nothing meets this purpose more completely than the principles and logic of our own Declaration of Independence, so I have made it the explicit basis for dealing with the moral crisis we now face. The Declaration is fundamentally a statement of the principles of justice that define the moral identity of the American people. On the source of our rights We have forgotten the principle that our rights come from God and must be exercised with respect for the existence and authority of God. . . . You can't have it both ways. Either our rights come from God, as our Declaration of Independence says, or they come from human choice. If they come from human choice, then our whole way of life is meaningless, it has no foundation. On the role of government All human beings are created equal. They need no title or qualification beyond their own simple humanity in order to command respect for their intrinsic human dignity, their "unalienable rights." The purpose of government is to secure these rights, and no government is just or legitimate if it systematically violates them. On school choice I support school choice. Parents should be able to send their children to schools that reflect their faith and values, schools of their choice, where they can have an influence over a curriculum that goes beyond just what information kids are given and that affects how their consciences will be shaped, how their character will be developed. Above all, we must break up the government monopoly on public education. On replacing the income tax with a national sales tax The income tax is a twentieth-century socialist experiment that has failed. Before the income tax was imposed on us just 80 years ago, government had no claim to our income. Only sales, excise, and tariff taxes were allowed. The income tax in effect makes us vassals to the government. No mere "reform" of this slave tax, such as flattening the rate, can correct its fundamental denial of control over our own money. Only abolition of the income tax will restore the basic American principle that our income is both our own money and our own private business--not the government's. Replacing the income tax with a national sales tax would rejuvenate independence and responsibility in our citizens. [It] would also put the American citizen back in control of fiscal policy. The best way to curtail government spending is to cut taxes, because they can't spend what they don't get. With a sales tax, we could deny funds to a spendthrift government--and give ourselves a tax cut--whenever we make the private choice to alter our spending and saving habits. On details of his national sales tax proposal Poor folks wouldn't have to pay taxes, because the proposal that I support would include a market basket of goods and services in all the basic areas of necessity and requirements of life that would be exempt from taxation. Right now, people say we have a progressive income tax, [that] the rich people pay more. [But in reality] the working stiffs of America end up bearing the brunt of taxation. Most of the money collected in the income tax comes from brackets $50,000 and below, from working people. The way in which my proposal helps them is it gives them back control of their money. Until they decide how to spend it, the government doesn't get to tax it, and if they spend it on the basic necessities of life, people who are poor, people who are on fixed incomes and so forth and so on, they wouldn't have to pay taxes. But also other people who are at a time in life where maybe they're saving for the down payment on their house or trying to do something else, they would be able to give themselves tax cuts just by controlling the pattern of their consumption. So, it puts everyone--poor and working people--back in control of their own economic life. On the Second Amendment The Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms is in jeopardy these days--dangerously so. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to ensure that we will remain an armed people, able to defend our liberty. In our defense of firearm rights, we must emphasize this fundamental purpose of the amendment. If we leave the impression that we think that the right to keep and bear arms concerns hunting and sports shooting, and making sure Americans have the right to entertain themselves with guns, we will actually contribute to the false view that the Second Amendment is an historical curiosity, hardly deserving the effort it would take to officially remove it from the Constitution. The right to keep and bear arms derives from our duty to retain the basic means necessary to defend our country and our liberty. Certainly it is true that the actual defense of our national borders is normally delegated to the professional military. But we must never think that this revocable delegation of responsibility for national defense is a transfer of ultimate responsibility. We, the people, are responsible for the defense of country and liberty, and the Second Amendment is crucial to our performance of that duty. On U.S. interventionism in the world I would want to renounce the idea that we have the right to interfere, in an aggressive way, with the affairs of other [nations]. I think we can play a constructive role in trying to bring about diplomatic solutions in different parts of the world, but I do not believe that when our ideas are rejected, we should resort to war in order to force people to accept a deal that's dictated on our terms. On America's future We are not ready for the new century in which we find ourselves. Our national soul is sick, possibly to death. And as the clouds of future danger, seen and unseen, gather in the early days of the new century, we slumber in the easy chair of our material prosperity, and cheerfully send our children off to be trained in the new ideology of power. We must contemplate what shall be the consequences for the world if we are no longer fighting the shadow of evil, but casting it ourselves

The above are some of his philosophical views I agree with the exception of his views upon Christianity and its role in the government.

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[xyzer]

I somewhat agree with bishop...

he's been in the senate how long? a whopping 2 years. that makes him highly qualified?? i guess my definition of "highly qualified" is a bit different than yours. by your logic, bush was even more qualified for the job...

The guy is still wet behind the ears. Little experience, not much of a voting record?
Perhaps it would be better for you guys to just vote for the Republican candidate..whoever that turns out to be?

[bishop]

i was leaning towards keyes, although i was turned away very quickly when he started coming out with his christian fundamentalist beliefs/prejudices..

his statement to obama during their contest for the senate killed all future chances for keyes to ever win a political seat imo:

Obama's not your usual politician

Quote by: keyes "Christ would not vote for Barack Obama," Keyes declared, "because Barack Obama has voted to behave in a way that is inconceivable for Christ to have behaved."

this "what would jesus do?" nonsense being used as a political low-blow is mighty distasteful... i wouldn't want that type of individual representing me, or leading my country.

[bishop]

Quote by: xyzer I somewhat agree with bishop... The guy is still wet behind the ears. Little experience, not much of a voting record? Perhaps it would be better for you guys to just vote for the Republican candidate..whoever that turns out to be?

how about voting for neither, as both parties will likely produce turds of equal stink and size.

[brien]

Quote by: bishop i was leaning towards keyes, although i was turned away very quickly when he started coming out with his christian fundamentalist beliefs/prejudices.. his statement to obama during their contest for the senate killed all future chances for keyes to ever win a political seat imo: Obama's not your usual politician this "what would jesus do?" nonsense being used as a political low-blow is mighty distasteful... i wouldn't want that type of individual representing me, or leading my country.

I fully agree that Keyes is screwing himself by associating this Christian ideology and government. He should drop it from his platforms and join the Libertarian Party or run independently.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: bishop i was leaning towards keyes, although i was turned away very quickly when he started coming out with his christian fundamentalist beliefs/prejudices.. his statement to obama during their contest for the senate killed all future chances for keyes to ever win a political seat imo: Obama's not your usual politician this "what would jesus do?" nonsense being used as a political low-blow is mighty distasteful... i wouldn't want that type of individual representing me, or leading my country.

God! I lived in Annapolis, MD and got my fill of Keyes. What a jerk. You may as well put Pat Robertson in the White House. If Keyes wasn't African-American, he'd join the Sons of the Confederacy. What a knee jerk, can't think waste of flesh.

[underbear1]

The ONLY Keyes with any integrity is his lesbian daughter.

[Captain Chaos]

What does his lesbian daughter think of him?

[underbear1]

She still has contact with him, but he did stop paying her tuition and kicked her out of the house when she came out, I believe her first name is Maya.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: underbear1 She still has contact with him, but he did stop paying her tuition and kicked her out of the house when she came out, I believe her first name is Maya.

What an A$$hole!!!!!!!

[drgilbert4]

A while back everyone was asking who would win between Condi and Hillary. I am thinking Condi vs Obama!! Who would win? I am pretty sure Condi would beat Hillary, but Obama would give her a run for her money. Ultimately his lack of experience would be his Achilles heel which is why he would never be nominated in a million years.

[brien]

Quote by: underbear1 The ONLY Keyes with any integrity is his lesbian daughter.

Your one track mind and obsession with sexual orientation borders on the ridiculous. What does his daughter's sexual preferences have to do with his public political platforms? I thought it was you who continually beats the drum that says a persons sexuality is no one's business except their own?

A matter of convenience on your agenda apparently.:rolleyes:

[copabeat]

I would like to think we have finally passed the issue of race when it comes to judgement of a person. As a so called "White man" (I hate that term as much as I hate Black person" both of which are neither)
I would vote for him/her based on the issue and of course what party they represent. I have to be honest it has always been hard for me to pull the Democratic lever,real hard. (I have held my nose and done it on rare occassion)

[underbear1]

Quote by: brien Your one track mind and obsession with sexual orientation borders on the ridiculous. What does his daughter's sexual preferences have to do with his public political platforms? I thought it was you who continually beats the drum that says a persons sexuality is no one's business except their own? A matter of convenience on your agenda apparently.:rolleyes:

Ms. Keyes publicly came out, she is proud of being lesbian. No one outed her. The fact her father is a knuckle dragging homophobic trogladyte just makes it amusing.
I would not out anyone who isn't actively harming the LGBT community, they can live in the closet their entire life if they wish.

[underbear1]

The vile ad the RNC is running against Harold Ford Jr. shows they will go right back to the same tricks they used against McCain in South Carolina. The Democrats really need to go ask the Black evangelical leaders who supported Bush if they approve an ad which plays to the LOWEST racist stereotype of Black men lurking around your white daughter. Would they like EVERY Black candidate to be smeared with these kind of gutter ads?
I find it personally offensive that a closeted gay man who is also jewish, Ken Mehlman, who knows how it feels to be discriminated against, would stoop to such low brow tactics. Maybe Ken is so drenched in Iraq flip-flop-SWEAT he isn't thinking "straight!"

[brien]

Quote by: underbear1 Ms. Keyes publicly came out, she is proud of being lesbian. No one outed her. The fact her father is a knuckle dragging homophobic trogladyte just makes it amusing. I would not out anyone who isn't actively harming the LGBT community, they can live in the closet their entire life if they wish.

You don't answer the question. What does his daughter have to do with his public life? You constantly make an issue out of human sexual preference when you yourself have stated many times here that this is nobody's business. You seem to convienently uses sexual preference when it suits your agenda and condemn it when it doesn't, underbear. Very easy to see through your agenda.

I think I would be bowled over if you could come here for just one day and not mention sexual preference.

[underbear1]

Quote by: brien You don't answer the question. What does his daughter have to do with his public life? You constantly make an issue out of human sexual preference when you yourself have stated many times here that this is nobody's business. You seem to convienently uses sexual preference when it suits your agenda and condemn it when it doesn't, underbear. Very easy to see through your agenda. I think I would be bowled over if you could come here for just one day and not mention sexual preference.

I didn't say a thing about how his daughter's sexual orientation impacts Alan Keye's career. I said, THE ONLY KEYES WITH INTEGRITY IS HIS LESBIAN DAUGHTER.

[brien]

Quote by: underbear1 I didn't say a thing about how his daughter's sexual orientation impacts Alan Keye's career. I said, THE ONLY KEYES WITH INTEGRITY IS HIS LESBIAN DAUGHTER.

So I will ask it one more time. What does his daughter's sexual preference have to do with Alan Keyes. Why even bring it up? Once was a time if this was brought up by a straight, they were branded homophobic.

Her sexual preference has nothing to do with Alan Keyes at all. You seem never cease to inject homosexuality where ever you can whether it is relevant or not here. man oh, man.

Your "in your face" tactics get old underbear.

[underbear1]

Quote by: brien So I will ask it one more time. What does his daughter's sexual preference have to do with Alan Keyes. Why even bring it up? Once was a time if this was brought up by a straight, they were branded homophobic. Her sexual preference has nothing to do with Alan Keyes at all. You seem never cease to inject homosexuality where ever you can whether it is relevant or not here. man oh, man. Your "in your face" tactics get old underbear.

find your ignore button and SHOVE IT, if you have a problem with my posts, cuz I'm not going to edit out the gay issues that seem to make you uncomfortable.